Transformers. Shit to begin with(not the films)
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It it well animated? well written? good action scenes? good story? good connection within story to each episode? and so onthepyrethatburns said:
no its a great idea and series but its nothing something i will stop and watch. now beast wars fuck yea that shit is awesome. the old show is kinda eh but i hate pointless series like Transformers but only in the sense that there is a story but there is hardly any connection that from episode to episode
the old toon had realy bad writing and nonsensical plots, but made up for it by having iconic and memorable characters that ended up striding through your memories like the metal gods they were.
While the quality of the original is in question seeing it in this present day but you do know that the time were also different back then? Beside the very concept of it is still awesome (you get a vehicle and a robot in one toy). I don't consider Transformers as a whole to be bad since there is still a large fanbase to this day so they are doing something right.
While it can be argue that they should of stick to G1 ish apperances or not can be debated but I think it really down to the writing to the films lackbuster appeal.
While it can be argue that they should of stick to G1 ish apperances or not can be debated but I think it really down to the writing to the films lackbuster appeal.
I bought the entire series about 10 years ago and absolutly loved it. Heres a drinking game for you all to play. Everytime you see a car so badly drawn you need your imagination to see a car, take a drink. When you that the animaters have drawn the wrong character in the scene (eg starscream instead of one of his pionty headed croneys) take a drink.
Up until the origninal movie came out it is absolutly B-grade and wonderful. After the movie, the production company got more money and their animation got 100 times better, but it lost something at the same time, I can't quite put my finger on it, but it went from B-grade epicness to A-grade ok.
As for storylines, Thepyrethatburns said its a classic good vs evil theme. Its about the giant robots and one single family who they befriend. It is good, for humour it has funny characters (who doesn't love the dinobots), instead of toilet humour.
The original film, that was awesome. Who wasn't effected by Optimus's death.
The films, well the main thing they did wrong, is that that the people making it didn't care that transformers has always been a story about robots coming here, some wanting to harvest our planet for fuel (think stereotypical alien race), and others wanting just to live in peace. The makers of the film and I'm not just talking about Bay, I'm including the writers, Speilberg and whay ever company they're working for, wanted to make a movie about people transformers happen to.
If they had done Beast wars they would have found some way to work in more humans than robots. Tho if they had at least we would be grateful that they didn't fuck with G1.
Up until the origninal movie came out it is absolutly B-grade and wonderful. After the movie, the production company got more money and their animation got 100 times better, but it lost something at the same time, I can't quite put my finger on it, but it went from B-grade epicness to A-grade ok.
As for storylines, Thepyrethatburns said its a classic good vs evil theme. Its about the giant robots and one single family who they befriend. It is good, for humour it has funny characters (who doesn't love the dinobots), instead of toilet humour.
The original film, that was awesome. Who wasn't effected by Optimus's death.
The films, well the main thing they did wrong, is that that the people making it didn't care that transformers has always been a story about robots coming here, some wanting to harvest our planet for fuel (think stereotypical alien race), and others wanting just to live in peace. The makers of the film and I'm not just talking about Bay, I'm including the writers, Speilberg and whay ever company they're working for, wanted to make a movie about people transformers happen to.
If they had done Beast wars they would have found some way to work in more humans than robots. Tho if they had at least we would be grateful that they didn't fuck with G1.
This strikes me as you saying "I hated G1 but I'm going to push my subjective opinion as objective fact" but I'll address each.Srdjan Tanaskovic said:
Is it well animated? *Looks at earlier cartoons such as Bugs Bunny* *Looks at other cartoons of the time such as He-man and G.I. Joe.* For the time, yes. If you want to compare it to current animation, then Beast Wars also doesn't stand up.
well written? Up and down. Some episodes have held up really well. Others weren't even good back then.
good action scenes? Yes, for the most part.
Good Story? Define "good story". If you're talking overall, it's a story about giant robots going to war. We're not talking Shakespeare here. Overall, it's probably on par with the average video game in terms of story. If we're talking by episode, that goes back to what I said about the writing.
Good connection within story to each episode? Is this really a prerequisite for TV? How many TV shows could have their mid-season episode order scrambled without anyone noticing?
For Transformers, I'd say average. Beginning of season and end of season have emphasis on continuity. Multi-show episodes or landmark episodes keeping the pace in the mid-season but, for the most part, nothing that couldn't be switched around.
I admit that I adored Beast Wars, but I was never attached to Transformers. Bay's films are not the first time a franchise was ruined because of some moron cocking it up...and it certainly won't be the last.
It's just unfortunate that these movies have made as much money as they have...
It's just unfortunate that these movies have made as much money as they have...
The movies were horrible as movies. You don't even have to judge them by Transformers standards to get there. Any defense of "it's better then the cartoon so it's good!" deserves the Old Yeller treatment.
As for the cartoons, it mainly has to do with the animation genre back then, you had to do a lot more with a lot less, so the fact the entire universe was pulled off is nothing short of amazing. Are they God's gift to cartoons? Hell no. Are they terrible? Nope.
As for the cartoons, it mainly has to do with the animation genre back then, you had to do a lot more with a lot less, so the fact the entire universe was pulled off is nothing short of amazing. Are they God's gift to cartoons? Hell no. Are they terrible? Nope.
I like the first and third films. Why do people hate me for enjoying something? Besides, the third one alone is good just for LaserBeak. That Rehaul they did with him was like with Heath Ledger did to the Joker from Dark Knight.
Before he was just a cool looking decepticon, now he is that, does alot of cool shit, and he does it so awesome.
Before he was just a cool looking decepticon, now he is that, does alot of cool shit, and he does it so awesome.
Relax Beast War on the big screen can't happen due toarc1991 said:
1. No Human characters
2. Budget
only way it could work would be animated.
You asked what could be shit about a robot war and I answeredthepyrethatburns said:
Was it even well animated for it's time? I remember that the movie got bashed for not being very well animated and yes I do know that Beast War looks bad today (or at least the CGI itself not sure about animation)
fair enough
are the action scenes more then just robots firing at all directions and never hitting anything?
....good question. I guess I mean stuff like how good is it, how well does it present itself, how does it handle the subject and so on. are the plot for each episode more then just
Megatron: Lets scheme something
Decepticon: YEEEAH
Prime: cut that shit out. time to stop you
Megatron: Yaarth you win this round
and then they do this again the very next episode
ok to be honest I have no idea what I meant when I said this
G1 was cool to watch when I was a kid, but now, looking at it from a grown-up's perspective, it really is cringe-worthy. However, I still adore Beast Wars (which was actually based on the G1 continuity, by the way) and Beast Machines, two consecutive shows which displayed some of the finest writing I've ever seen in a cartoon.
The movies are great. I only ever watched beast wars but it was great. There is no real problem with the movies. It's all nostalgia driven "haters gonna hate" issues.King Toasty said:
The only show in the franchise I have ever liked was Beast Wars, but then again, I haven't seen Prime yet, so that could be good too for all I know.
Opinions on the Michael Bay movies:
First: Stupid, but a fun kind of stupid.
Second: Awful.
Third: Better than the second, but failed to impress.
Opinions on the Michael Bay movies:
First: Stupid, but a fun kind of stupid.
Second: Awful.
Third: Better than the second, but failed to impress.
