Transgender

[SlasherX]

I'm tired of being called a bigot, a hater, an evil person basically all manner of things for say this statement. It is not a normal or natural thing to be transgender. It isn't. In biology it is not normal. No where else does this occur or is tolerated except as humans. If not for our higher level of thinking i.e regret and thing along those lines this wouldn't be tolerated. And if not for surgery it wouldn't even be possible. And sorry to let you know the average person is kind of weirded out by this. Now I gay friends, and I'm on good terms with trangendered people, and I have conveyed my thoughts on this to them and they understand what I think. I don't hate them for it, It's not like I avoid them because of it. I'm just saying that it isn't a normal or natural occurrence. Now lets proceed to me getting banned since me conveying my opinion will probably piss a mod off.

Also it pisses me off when someone gets offended by this. The transgendered or gay people I know don't have a problem with it. Only the kind of people who like to shove things down your throat get pissed off by this. And by that I mean the kind of people that my gay friend refers to as flaming. Also stupid liberals(Im a liberal Im just not the stupid/pushy type) try to shove this down your throat that anything but blind acceptance is bad. It is not.

 

[Outright Villainy]

Taking medication for depression isn't natural either. What the fuck does natural have to with it? It isn't some grand design, it's happenstance. It's natural for us to get all manner of diseases and die. It's natural for some people to be born with disabilities, both physical and mental. And it's natural for someone to be born in the wrong body, which can cause serious psychological harm if left unchecked. It's imperative for us to fight against nature when it seeks to hurt us, not be a slave to it.

Fuck nature.

 

[Palademon]

Okie dokie, seems that an ok view.

I can certainly understand it. I imagine I'd have an initial shock of somebody told me they are transgendered.

 

[Thaliur]

It's really tempting to build bad jokes out of your post referencing gay people who want to shove things down your throat...

I share your opinion on transgendered people though. If you want to change your gender, fine, but for me you'll just stay the same gender but acquire some really weird anatomy.

I have no problems with gay people. I'm pretty sure they may well be even homosexual animals, why not?

 

[OptimisticPessimist]

Oh, I think you're right. It's not natural. Know what, tho'? Couldn't care less. Hell, only a tiny percentage of the things I encounter day to day can be considered natural. By [insert deity here], I'm using a computer right now! That's about as far from natural as you can get. I think you're trying to say something similar, but your defensiveness makes it sound inflammatory. Just sayin'.

 

[SlasherX]

It's really tempting to build bad jokes out of your post referencing gay people who want to shove things down your throat...

I share your opinion on transgendered people though. If you want to change your gender, fine, but for me you'll just stay the same gender but acquire some really weird anatomy.

I have no problems with gay people. I'm pretty sure they may well be even homosexual animals, why not?

You know, I didn't think about that but thats my laugh for the day

 

[deathninja]

So?

Human advancement, in the form of pharmacological, psychological and surgical advancement, allows people to get around "being dealt the wrong hand" sexually. No, it's not "natural", but if it improves the quality of life of the people it affects, why is it no different than utilising science to treat other ailments?

 

[DuplicateValue]

It's one of the very few things I'm uncomfortable with, which is something I can't help.

But it's the choice of the person themselves, and if they're happy with it, then who am I to knock it.

 

[Berserker119]

We as humans are natural, therefore everything we do is natural. There is nothing in the world that is unnatural.

 

[TheAbominableDan]

It isn't. In biology it is not normal. No where else does this occur or is tolerated except as humans.

If it were occurring in animals how would we know?

 

[Particulate]

I have a friend that's transgendered. While there was an intial "WAT" factor that quickly subsided. She's a person like anyone else. The complexities of her physical form might be better left to professionals and her immediate family but as far as I'm concerned she's ok. I don't see how any aspect or variation of personal gender factors into working to be a Vet so it's literally none of my concern.

 

[thiosk]

What set you off, exactly? Also, I suspect there will be angry stuff in this thread.

One thing I am somewhat sympathetic with respect to the OPs opinion is that many of transgendered folk I've met online and offline appear outwardly to be 100% defined by sexuality. These are the louder folk. I'm not defined by sexuality, and I have hobbies, interests, concerns, and causes not devoted to it. I am a scientist. I know gay scientists. They are not defined by their sexuality either. They just happen to be gay. There is a subset of noisy people who are so consumed by issues related to sexuality such that they are their sexuality. And I think thats sad. I get it, you're not accepted by many people, and thats hard. I'll repeat what I said in the last, less angry thread on this subject:

Millions of animals could use a home. Puppies and kittens. And they will love you and accept you no matter what you wear or who you are attracted to.

Like smokie here.
www.petfinder.com

 

[DarkSaber]

It's not natural to wear clothes, live in a house or get your food from a fucking can either. Stupid argument is stupid.

 

[DJDarque]

Taking medication for depression isn't natural either. What the fuck does natural have to with it? It isn't some grand design, it's happenstance. It's natural for us to get all manner of diseases and die. It's natural for some people to be born with disabilities, both physical and mental. And it's natural for someone to be born in the wrong body, which can cause serious psychological harm if left unchecked. It's imperative for us to fight against nature when it seeks to hurt us, not be a slave to it.

Fuck nature.

You speak copious amounts of truth. I salute your truthiness.

 

[Thaluikhain]

It being natural or not is irrelevant.

However, gender is something placed upon us by society. If you have grown up as one gender, society will have affected you in different ways than if you had grown up in the other. Changing your physical form isn't going to affect that. By the time a person is old enough to decide what gender they want to be, they'll already have been massively shaped by what gender society has told them to be.

By all means, they should have the surgery if it will improve their lives, but there are limits to what it can achieve.

 

[emeraldrafael]

... It is not a normal or natural thing to be transgender. It isn't. In biology it is not normal. No where else does this occur or is tolerated except as humans. ...

Thats not necessarily true. there are organisms in nature that change their genders and biological make up when times of crisis occur and breeding like rabbits (though i dont think rabbits are one of them) is needed.

Clown Fish do it occasionally, where the lead male changes to female when the lead female dies (cause they follow a matriarch type of society).

I mean, you're entitled to think what you want on it, just, you know, you're wrong it doesnt happen in nature outside humans. Thats not an attack on your opinions, just your facts.

 

[Chemical Alia]

It isn't. In biology it is not normal. No where else does this occur or is tolerated except as humans.

If it were occurring in animals how would we know?

Remember those west African frogs in Jurassic Park whose DNA was used to make the dinosaurs, and who were known to change their gender in a single-sex environment? That's all I got.

 

[Daggedawg]

The key word is "natural".

Everything in this world is in some way a part of nature.

Hence, everything that can be done using those things, is natural.