Transgendered Woman Beat Up In McDonald's; Employees Do Nothing

[AngelOfBlueRoses]

http://www.examiner.com/libertarian-in-national/mcdonald-s-employee-to-good-samaritan-you-do-know-that-s-not-a-woman?CID=obnetwork

http://newsone.com/entertainment/newsonestaff2/mcdonalds-beating-video-transgender-woman-attack/

As more details about the near-deadly beating of a transgendered woman at a McDonald?s in suburban Baltimore emerge, so does an especially shocking detail of the event. According to Vicki Thomas, who came to the rescue of Chrissy Polis as she was savagely kicked and beaten, Thomas claims an employee told her, ?You do know that's not a woman. That's a transvestite.?

Thomas believes the insensitive comment was made by the manager. So far one other employee of the fast food restaurant, Vernon Hackett, has fired for doing nothing to stop the beating and instead recording the incident on his cell phone.

In the meantime, bail was denied on Monday for the woman accused of initiating the attack. The suspect, who has been identified as Teonna Brown, 18, faces felony assault charges for her role in the crime. She is being held at the Baltimore County Detention Center. A second unidentified 14-year-old assailant also faces charges.

Vicki Thomas, the good Samaritan who intervened on the victim?s behalf, is quoted by the website of WBAL, a Baltimore TV station, as saying:

I think it's terrible. I think it's inhumane. When they started really hurting her, to the point where I thought she was going to die, that's when I decided someone needed to do something.

I kept screaming, 'Stop. Get off of her.' And they wouldn't stop. One of the girls said to me, 'It's none of your [expletive] business,' and hit me in the face.

(From the first link)

Now, I personally find it disgusting that the employees just stood there and watched as the young Transgendered lady got beat up, and I find it even more disgusting at the supposed manager's comment to Vicki Thomas. It is just so appalling at how Transgendered people are treated in America (I can't say for others because I don't know what it's like there).

I hope McDonald's doesn't let these employees get away with such inaction and such insensitive, offensive comments and I really praise Vicki Thomas for going to Chrissy's aid. You are a saint, Vicki, and I wish more people were like you.

 

[DaphneRose]

I'm not so sure this is a hate crime, as one of the article states, but it is definitely a depressing and violent act that should have been stopped, not recorded.

I'm glad someone intervened. I think we're slowly becoming a society of spectators, who allow our morals to take the backseat, when it doesn't directly involve us. Acts of bravery like Vicki Thomas, I believe, should be emulated and stories like this should be shared.

 

[ThongBonerstorm]

what were the employee's to do? you know that when you get hired they tell you if you get involved in any confrontation, no matter the reason, you're fired on the spot. they can't take the risk of someone getting hurt. so if the kids (probably) valued their jobs there was nothing they could do.

 

[Appleshampoo]

If you're getting paid minimum wage in a job you hate, would you step in to help someone? I wouldn't, because I know for a fact I'd be fired for it. It is NOT in your job description to act like security.

But on the other hand, say you did step in and got pretty busted up but helped the person anyway. You think the managers are going to really be happy with you calling in sick the next day? You'd be fired because it's your own fault.

The employees are usually told to stay out of situations like this. The only one who should have stepped in was the manager, because safety is HIS responsibility.

So the employees should not be blamed for doing nothing. Except the one who recorded it, although it depends on his intention. If it was a 'LOLZ LETS PUT IT ON YOUTUBE' then yeah, fire his ass. But if it was a 'I can't step in, but I can get vital evidence on my phone' then give the guy a pat on the back for at least doing SOMETHING.

And if anyone should have stepped in, it should have been one of the customers, since they wouldn't lose their job trying to protect someone.

 

[Cowabungaa]

I'm not so sure this is a hate crime

To paraphrase South Park; most crimes are hate crimes, so it's a silly thing to say anyway.

But yes, it's disgusting that the employees just stood there. Sadly, that's how a large part of humanity is, it's almost hardwired in our brains to not get ourselves in the line of fire.

If you're getting paid minimum wage in a job you hate, would you step in to help someone? I wouldn't, because I know for a fact I'd be fired for it. It is NOT in your job description to act like security.

This has nothing to do with your job description or your wage, but with acting like a good fucking person. And if you'd get fired for being one, the manager deserves to get his own beating.

 

[Bon_Clay]

I actually saw this video the other day, didn't know the story behind it though.

what were the employee's to do? you know that when you get hired they tell you if you get involved in any confrontation, no matter the reason, you're fired on the spot. they can't take the risk of someone getting hurt. so if the kids (probably) valued their jobs there was nothing they could do.

You do make a fair point. While I personally would give up a McJob easily in exchange for the chance to justifiably smack the shit out of people ganging up on a defenseless person (regardless of the gender of the victim or assailants, if girls want equal rights then they get equal chance to have their faces smashed in to a reasonable degree when they deserve it). But maybe they really needed that job, its not really my place to judge them for not jumping in as I don't know them.

I don't know if its actually a hate crime, and even if it was based on the fact the person was transgendered I still think its unimportant. I don't believe in hate crime laws, people will always find some reason to hate other people. So unless the person did something wrong themselves(hurt you or someone you know), all other motives are inconsequential to how they should be sentenced.

 

[Brutal Peanut]

If you're getting paid minimum wage in a job you hate, would you step in to help someone? I wouldn't, because I know for a fact I'd be fired for it. It is NOT in your job description to act like security.

But on the other hand, say you did step in and got pretty busted up but helped the person anyway. You think the managers are going to really be happy with you calling in sick the next day? You'd be fired because it's your own fault.

The employees are usually told to stay out of situations like this. The only one who should have stepped in was the manager, because safety is HIS responsibility.

So the employees should not be blamed for doing nothing. Except the one who recorded it, although it depends on his intention. If it was a 'LOLZ LETS PUT IT ON YOUTUBE' then yeah, fire his ass. But if it was a 'I can't step in, but I can get vital evidence on my phone' then give the guy a pat on the back for at least doing SOMETHING.

And if anyone should have stepped in, it should have been one of the customers, since they wouldn't lose their job trying to protect someone.

I'd say this...in a nutshell.

OT: From my experience, employees from minimum wage jobs are strictly told to stay out of customer confrontations. It's either the managers job to put an end to it, or depending on the place, the hired security.

Though it would probably make me ill to just stand there and watch. Especially if it was a crappy job that I actually really needed.

((However, I think the manager should have passed off his phone for someone else to tape, while he intervened.))

 

[Nouw]

what were the employee's to do? you know that when you get hired they tell you if you get involved in any confrontation, no matter the reason, you're fired on the spot. they can't take the risk of someone getting hurt. so if the kids (probably) valued their jobs there was nothing they could do.

It's a moral coin-flip but for me it's cold to value your job over someone's life. If you got fired for helping the victim of a beating, I'm sure that's not going to lower the chance of getting another job. Hell with your assumption of them being a kid, a job isn't half as a important if they were an independent adult. Once again, at the end of the day they chose their job over her.

I probably don't know half as much as you do about jobs and such but I'll be damned if there wasn't some wrong in what they did. I hope they didn't take advantage of being an employee or think they had a moral 'highground.' Sure they may have the right of being an employee but damn someone was getting beaten up to near-death.

 

[DaphneRose]

I'm not so sure this is a hate crime

To paraphrase South Park; most crimes are hate crimes, so it's a silly thing to say anyway.

I suppose, if you take South Park as a higher authority than the actual definition of hate crime.

 

[Stoplesteimer]

This is one of the few things on this site that annoys me,a persons membership in the LGBT community should have no impact on anything besides their personal sexual preference.
Along with that, others have stated that it is generally corporate policy for employees to not involve themselves in any altercations.

So all in all, a more accurate title for this would be "Woman Beat Up in McDonalds - Employees Follow Procedure"

 

[Boris Goodenough]

I'm not so sure this is a hate crime

To paraphrase South Park; most crimes are hate crimes, so it's a silly thing to say anyway.

I suppose, if you take South Park as a higher authority than the actual definition of hate crime.

"Statutory rape", yeah SP has higher authority than legal definitions.

 

[Nieroshai]

I can understand not stopping the attackers, that's often company policy: back away and let the police handle it. If, however, that comment was really said, then there's a problem. Another problem if the police were never called.

Also, I find the legal concept of a "hate crime" stupid. If a white man kills a white man, it's homicide. If a white man kills a gay Jewish black woman, it's a hate crime as well as homicide and he gets a penalty slapped on top of that. Sure he deserves the punishment for murder, but who are we to say he killed that person for any of those descriptive factors? Maybe she owed him money. But... my example grows long.

What I mean is this is a simple case of assault, plain and straightforward. IF the manager refused to call the cops though, there's a real problem that needs dealing with.

 

[Newtonyd]

If you're getting paid minimum wage in a job you hate, would you step in to help someone? I wouldn't, because I know for a fact I'd be fired for it. It is NOT in your job description to act like security.

But on the other hand, say you did step in and got pretty busted up but helped the person anyway. You think the managers are going to really be happy with you calling in sick the next day? You'd be fired because it's your own fault.

The employees are usually told to stay out of situations like this. The only one who should have stepped in was the manager, because safety is HIS responsibility.

Sorry, but I'm not sacrificing someone's well-being to keep some crappy minimum wage job. I'd step in. Especially since the assailants are comprised of an 18 year old woman and a 14 year old girl.

 

[Cowabungaa]

I'm not so sure this is a hate crime

To paraphrase South Park; most crimes are hate crimes, so it's a silly thing to say anyway.

I suppose, if you take South Park as a higher authority than the actual definition of hate crime.

Yeah, because South Park sometimes says some very clever things, I'd say that's one of them. The modern definition of "hate crime" only keeps divide between skin colours, genders, etc, existing.

 

[bluecrimson]

Did anyone else notice that the one of the employees was WARNING the attackers that the cops were on the way, and that they should GTFO?

Watch the vid, it's right at the end.

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

Well, this post made me cry. My ex-girlfriend was a transgender and we had to sort of live in secrecy because where we live, she'd have been beaten and killed if it ever got out.

It's not so much because they employees didn't do anything that gets to me, it's that transgendered people are treated like inhuman pieces of garbage. And that (alleged) comment, "You do know that's not a woman. That's a transvestite." Christ. Sometimes I hate that I live in this universe.

 

[AngelOfBlueRoses]

If you're getting paid minimum wage in a job you hate, would you step in to help someone? I wouldn't, because I know for a fact I'd be fired for it. It is NOT in your job description to act like security.

But on the other hand, say you did step in and got pretty busted up but helped the person anyway. You think the managers are going to really be happy with you calling in sick the next day? You'd be fired because it's your own fault.

The employees are usually told to stay out of situations like this. The only one who should have stepped in was the manager, because safety is HIS responsibility.

So the employees should not be blamed for doing nothing. Except the one who recorded it, although it depends on his intention. If it was a 'LOLZ LETS PUT IT ON YOUTUBE' then yeah, fire his ass. But if it was a 'I can't step in, but I can get vital evidence on my phone' then give the guy a pat on the back for at least doing SOMETHING.

And if anyone should have stepped in, it should have been one of the customers, since they wouldn't lose their job trying to protect someone.

No, it isn't their job to act as security, but in between watching and one employee even recording it, it is their duty to get a manager in to break up a fight as quickly as possible and to also inform the police. That's how it's done here, at least. If a fight breaks out in your place of service, the manager is informed and he both calls the cops and does his best to dissuade it.

The person who is most at fault here aside from the two teenagers is the manager.

And had my manager not done anything, I would have stepped in and done something even if it got me fired. I would not work at a place like there where the manager doesn't have any human decency.