Transgendered Woman Beat Up In McDonald's; Employees Do Nothing

[Stoplesteimer]

This is one of the few things on this site that annoys me,a persons membership in the LGBT community should have no impact on anything besides their personal sexual preference.
Along with that, others have stated that it is generally corporate policy for employees to not involve themselves in any altercations.

So all in all, a more accurate title for this would be "Woman Beat Up in McDonalds - Employees Are a bunch of pussies"

I like mine better

Oh, most definitely; but I dislike (oh hey, another of my pet peeves) sensationalist/inflammatory shit like this.

Captcha: solar uesantio

EDIT: I should probably put it one the record that nearly beating someone to death is a terrible thing done by terrible people and I hope they are exposed to the full brunt of the law.

 

[DesiPrinceX09]

Sucks don't it? I can relate, since I to was beat up and no one did a damn thing (multiple times, it was worse at school, I felt safer in public oddly enough). Although my beating could probably be closer to a hate crime since they beat me up just because I am a Muslim (although Muslim is not a race; is that still a hate crime then? not sure), it was counted as a hate crime though since they were shouting out racial slurs aimed towards Arab people and beating me because they thought I was Arab and think Arab=Muslim (like sand ******, towel head, terrorist, etc) even though I am an Indian/Pakistani from Africa. The funny thing is I only had to go to the hospital once, but that was because I got my ribs broken.

I don't think this can be counted as a hate crime since they beat her up because of "flirting" and not because of being transgendered or being a different race.

 

[veloper]

I'm not so sure this is a hate crime

To paraphrase South Park; most crimes are hate crimes, so it's a silly thing to say anyway.

I suppose, if you take South Park as a higher authority than the actual definition of hate crime.

Yeah, because South Park sometimes says some very clever things, I'd say that's one of them. The modern definition of "hate crime" only keeps divide between skin colours, genders, etc, existing.

Most crimes are profit motivated. These are not hate crimes.

Sometimes a person wants to hurt another person out of pure malice. Then it's a hate crime.

 

[Bon_Clay]

Did anyone else notice that the one of the employees was WARNING the attackers that the cops were on the way, and that they should GTFO?

Watch the vid, it's right at the end.

I think generally during an extended assault or one that could continue at any time that is what they would say. I doubt they were saying it for the interest of the attackers, they just wanted them to get away and stop beating the hell out of people. Its better if they get away from the cops and they have to go and track them down, versus the person actually getting beaten to death.

 

[DefinitelyPsychotic]

So this is former guy who got beat up by a bunch of girls?

Yeah, pretty much.

 

[WolfEdge]

There's a psychological theory at play here. It's called "Diffusion of Responsibility".

I'd look it up and give an exact definition, but I'm sweepy...

 

[Newtonyd]

Sucks don't it? I can relate, since I to was beat up and no one did a damn thing (multiple times, it was worse at school, I felt safer in public oddly enough). Although my beating could probably be closer to a hate crime since they beat me up just because I am a Muslim (although Muslim is not a race; is that still a hate crime then? not sure), it was counted as a hate crime though since they were shouting out racial slurs aimed towards Arab people and beating me because they thought I was Arab and think Arab=Muslim (like sand ******, towel head, terrorist, etc) even though I am an Indian/Pakistani from Africa. The funny thing is I only had to go to the hospital once, but that was because I got my ribs broken.

This saddens me, where in the States (if it was in the States) did this happen?

Also, yes it's still a hate crime. Just like skinheads beating up Jewish people is considered a hate crime.

People can be saints, can be heroes, can be paragons of virtue, but they can also be life lower than scum. I'm sorry you had to put up with this.

 

[xdiesp]

Once, journos used to say "transgendered man" if born male. Then they started doing the opposite. Now you just can't figure.

 

[Bon_Clay]

The funny thing is I only had to go to the hospital once, but that was because I got my ribs broken.

You must have a strange sense of humor, if getting sent to the hospital is your idea of funny. It is perfect for some terrible puns though, involving either the phrase "side splittingly funny" or "had you in stitches". But I'll just take the high road and hope you are no longer being attacked by people.

 

[Newtonyd]

There's a psychological theory at play here. It's called "Diffusion of Responsibility".

I'd look it up and give an exact definition, but I'm sweepy...

Yep, that's the one. Also called the 'bystander effect'.

I'm not sure if that's the case here though. It seems like the employees really didn't care, or were rooting for the attackers.

Hard to tell without more facts.

*Edit* To see the bystander effect in gruesome action, take a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese#Psychological_research_prompted_by_the_murder

38 witnesses, several attacks over a half an hour, 0 calls to the police, 1 dead body.

 

[Sarcastic_Applause]

Did anyone else notice that the one of the employees was WARNING the attackers that the cops were on the way, and that they should GTFO?

Watch the vid, it's right at the end.

I think generally during an extended assault or one that could continue at any time that is what they would say. I doubt they were saying it for the interest of the attackers, they just wanted them to get away and stop beating the hell out of people. Its better if they get away from the cops and they have to go and track them down, versus the person actually getting beaten to death.

i'd probably act the same way as those mcdonalds guys if i made as much as they did and had to work there daily...

But yeah that sort of stuff just cant be allowed to stand in this day and age, i just dont understand how people can feel such a way as to think that people who want to (or are already) transgender are wrong and need to get a beat down, its just sick.

 

[Cowabungaa]

Most crimes are profit motivated. These are not hate crimes.

Sometimes a person wants to hurt another person out of pure malice. Then it's a hate crime.

Fair enough. My point is though, that they pretty much only use the words 'hate crime' when, say, a black guy is assaulted by some white folks. But it's not like a white guy can't attack another white guy purely because he wants to gouge out his eyeballs.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

So this is former guy who got beat up by a bunch of girls?

Yeah, pretty much.

...and your points are?

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

If you're getting paid minimum wage in a job you hate, would you step in to help someone? I wouldn't, because I know for a fact I'd be fired for it. It is NOT in your job description to act like security.

But on the other hand, say you did step in and got pretty busted up but helped the person anyway. You think the managers are going to really be happy with you calling in sick the next day? You'd be fired because it's your own fault.

The employees are usually told to stay out of situations like this. The only one who should have stepped in was the manager, because safety is HIS responsibility.

So the employees should not be blamed for doing nothing. Except the one who recorded it, although it depends on his intention. If it was a 'LOLZ LETS PUT IT ON YOUTUBE' then yeah, fire his ass. But if it was a 'I can't step in, but I can get vital evidence on my phone' then give the guy a pat on the back for at least doing SOMETHING.

And if anyone should have stepped in, it should have been one of the customers, since they wouldn't lose their job trying to protect someone.

It's not about your damn job, that's the point. You don't just help somebody because you're paid to do so, you help somebody because that's what people do; help each other. Especially somebody who's getting their ass beat for being who they are. By the way, I don't get your first point...you wouldn't step in to help somebody on the count of your shitty job you hate, because you might get fired? Surely that's two birds with one stone?

 

[Dragonpit]

Unfortunately, when it comes to things like this, store policy says they cannot participate in this (yes, that includes stopping it themselves) or they will face ramifications, such as suspension without pay at the least. So I don't blame the employees for doing nothing. But my sympathies still go out to the woman who was beaten.

 

[DesiPrinceX09]

The funny thing is I only had to go to the hospital once, but that was because I got my ribs broken.

You must have a strange sense of humor, if getting sent to the hospital is your idea of funny. It is perfect for some terrible puns though, involving either the phrase "side splittingly funny" or "had you in stitches". But I'll just take the high road and hope you are no longer being attacked by people.

I find it funny in the sense that I am a small person so you figure that I would've gotten hospitalized more during my wonderful encounters with violent people, but hey I may be small but I can take a hit (a benefit from being from a third world country I guess, though I doubt that has anything to do with it).

This saddens me, where in the States (if it was in the States) did this happen?

Also, yes it's still a hate crime. Just like skinheads beating up Jewish people is considered a hate crime.

People can be saints, can be heroes, can be paragons of virtue, but they can also be life lower than scum. I'm sorry you had to put up with this.

In my high school in Florida mostly, it was in a small red neck town so it was bound to happen (Southern hospitality is total BS).

 

[Kenko]

Wait... I wouldn't have fucking helped if I was working there either... I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be paid enough to get beaten up on the job

I dont think it was the whole inaction part tbh, he did record the event on his cellphone instead of calling the police

But yeah people can'take the law into their own hands wich is why people usually dont do anything in fear of reprisals from the court later on.

 

[A Distant Star]

I could not watch the video, it was to upsetting, and generally I am a hard person to upset.

But as far as no one doing anything is concerned? Its not surprising, there's a psychological trigger called the Bystander Effect. Basically it makes people less likely to react in a situation like this when there are more people around. We're hardwired for group think (its sort of a depressing thought, but that doesn't make it untrue.) when no one reacts it basically reinforces your own inaction. No one else is doing anything so clearly thats the right choice.

Now that doesnt mean there's not a problem here, but its doesnt mean that these employees are bad people. What we need to do is train people on how to handle situations like this.