Transgendered Woman Beat Up In McDonald's; Employees Do Nothing

[DefinitelyPsychotic]

So this is former guy who got beat up by a bunch of girls?

Yeah, pretty much.

...and your points are?

That its pretty pathetic a former guy couldn't defend himself from a bunch of teenage girls...

You are incorrect; It's a girl that got beat up by a bunch of teenage girls. It's considered felony assault, and she was pretty heavily thrashed, and blind sided a few times.

No, you are incorrect. If you are born a guy, you are a guy.
End of conversation.

End of conversation? Hardly. I get the feeling this is going to be long, drawn out affair, and it's not going to end well.

Nope. the previous post just above this one has sealed it for him. 99.9% sure.

And it was well worth it!

 

[Megacherv]

I'm not so sure this is a hate crime, as one of the article states, but it is definitely a depressing and violent act that should have been stopped, not recorded.

I'm glad someone intervened. I think we're slowly becoming a society of spectators, who allow our morals to take the backseat, when it doesn't directly involve us. Acts of bravery like Vicki Thomas, I believe, should be emulated and stories like this should be shared.

We're becoming spectators because we get sued for the good deeds we carry out.

Like the man who got sued for rescuing his carpool mate from a wrecked car, because she became paralyzed after.

Just saying.

And then people like them slowly become hated and shunned for punishing the people who saved their life.

 

[razer17]

This has nothing to do with your job description or your wage, but with acting like a good fucking person. And if you'd get fired for being one, the manager deserves to get his own beating.

They are told not to get in confrontations for the same reason they get told not to confront thieves and be the hero: If you get hurt, you can sue the company. Except, wait, they told you not to get involved, so you can't. That's why you lose your job if you interfere.

And you then condemn them for not helping anyway? Do you know there personal situation? Maybe they have a child, and if they lose their job they are screwed? Or they're in college, and can't afford to live without the job? Would you really expect them to get fired?

Personally, I wouldn't step in. I'm pretty sure I'd just end up on the floor with her anyway, which isn't worth it.

 

[SamElliot'sMustache]

So this is former guy who got beat up by a bunch of girls?

So this is former guy who got beat up by a bunch of girls?

Yeah, pretty much.

...and your points are?

That its pretty pathetic a former guy couldn't defend himself from a bunch of teenage girls...

Ah, to be 11 again. Come back and let the rest of us know when you're both done with puberty.

 

[Velocity Eleven]

So this is former guy who got beat up by a bunch of girls?

Yeah, pretty much.

...and your points are?

That its pretty pathetic a former guy couldn't defend himself from a bunch of teenage girls...

You are incorrect; It's a girl that got beat up by a bunch of teenage girls. It's considered felony assault, and she was pretty heavily thrashed, and blind sided a few times.

No, you are incorrect. If you are born a guy, you are a guy.
End of conversation.

You're telling a transgender woman (me) that I'm not a woman. You know nothing of trans issues. I can suggest some resources if you'd like to become educated on the topic.

I too am transgendered woman, and I back you up here. He clearly knows nothing of trans issues if he thinks having a male body at birth makes you male then he is (as his username suggests) definetly psychotic... it really sickens me how ignorant and violent people towards trans issues are

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

Sucks don't it? I can relate, since I to was beat up and no one did a damn thing (multiple times, it was worse at school, I felt safer in public oddly enough). Although my beating could probably be closer to a hate crime since they beat me up just because I am a Muslim (although Muslim is not a race; is that still a hate crime then? not sure), it was counted as a hate crime though since they were shouting out racial slurs aimed towards Arab people and beating me because they thought I was Arab and think Arab=Muslim (like sand ******, towel head, terrorist, etc) even though I am an Indian/Pakistani from Africa. The funny thing is I only had to go to the hospital once, but that was because I got my ribs broken.

I don't think this can be counted as a hate crime since they beat her up because of "flirting" and not because of being transgendered or being a different race.

Where were you? My school had zero tolerance for that kind of thing. (Kentucky for reference)
OP: That puts a bad taste in my mouth. Maybe if you taught kids to help break up fights in school instead of the gallery they usually form.

EDIT: Seriously. Seek damages, get someone fired, something. That is really bad.

 

[standokan]

This world we live in, is a sad one

 

[JaymesFogarty]

Sucks don't it? I can relate, since I to was beat up and no one did a damn thing (multiple times, it was worse at school, I felt safer in public oddly enough). Although my beating could probably be closer to a hate crime since they beat me up just because I am a Muslim (although Muslim is not a race; is that still a hate crime then? not sure), it was counted as a hate crime though since they were shouting out racial slurs aimed towards Arab people and beating me because they thought I was Arab and think Arab=Muslim (like sand ******, towel head, terrorist, etc) even though I am an Indian/Pakistani from Africa. The funny thing is I only had to go to the hospital once, but that was because I got my ribs broken.

I don't think this can be counted as a hate crime since they beat her up because of "flirting" and not because of being transgendered or being a different race.

I'm sorry for all of the pointless shit you've had to deal with. But where do you live; America? I thought people had already got over the fact that not even 5% of the Muslim community had any intention to attack or hurt anyone!

 

[Fredrikorex]

That umm... "She" got beat up is nothing special (people get beat up all the time) but that nobody did anything, that's just wrong.

 

[Ellen of Kitten]

So this is former guy who got beat up by a bunch of girls?

Yeah, pretty much.

...and your points are?

That its pretty pathetic a former guy couldn't defend himself from a bunch of teenage girls...

You are incorrect; It's a girl that got beat up by a bunch of teenage girls. It's considered felony assault, and she was pretty heavily thrashed, and blind sided a few times.

No, you are incorrect. If you are born a guy, you are a guy.
End of conversation.

You're telling a transgender woman (me) that I'm not a woman. You know nothing of trans issues. I can suggest some resources if you'd like to become educated on the topic.

I too am transgendered woman, and I back you up here. He clearly knows nothing of trans issues if he thinks having a male body at birth makes you male then he is (as his username suggests) definetly psychotic... it really sickens me how ignorant and violent people towards trans issues are

We've got a trans group here on the escapists. Not a lot goes on in it, but it might be neat to kick around in.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

If you're getting paid minimum wage in a job you hate, would you step in to help someone? I wouldn't, because I know for a fact I'd be fired for it. It is NOT in your job description to act like security.

But on the other hand, say you did step in and got pretty busted up but helped the person anyway. You think the managers are going to really be happy with you calling in sick the next day? You'd be fired because it's your own fault.

The employees are usually told to stay out of situations like this. The only one who should have stepped in was the manager, because safety is HIS responsibility.

So the employees should not be blamed for doing nothing. Except the one who recorded it, although it depends on his intention. If it was a 'LOLZ LETS PUT IT ON YOUTUBE' then yeah, fire his ass. But if it was a 'I can't step in, but I can get vital evidence on my phone' then give the guy a pat on the back for at least doing SOMETHING.

And if anyone should have stepped in, it should have been one of the customers, since they wouldn't lose their job trying to protect someone.

It's not about your damn job, that's the point. You don't just help somebody because you're paid to do so, you help somebody because that's what people do; help each other. Especially somebody who's getting their ass beat for being who they are. By the way, I don't get your first point...you wouldn't step in to help somebody on the count of your shitty job you hate, because you might get fired? Surely that's two birds with one stone?

As much sympathy as I do have for the victim,

No one has the responsibility to step in save her. Founding principal of america is freedom, and that includes the freedom to be a dick as well.

 

[Kerra]

That umm... "She" got beat up is nothing special (people get beat up all the time) but that nobody did anything, that's just wrong.

Was it really necessary to put quotations around 'She'?

 

[Appleshampoo]

Ok, to add on to what I said earlier -

Yes it may be a crappy wage job that you hate, but the fact is it's a job. Where I live jobs are not so easy to come by you can just think 'Hey, I'll be a hero and save the day' without thinking of the out come.

I have a son to support and bills to pay. I would NOT throw my family's chance of eating and having a house away just so people can say 'Hey, there's a guy that beat up two girls, nice one!'

I just find it funny the amount of people saying they'd go 'FUCK MY JOB I'M GOING TO BE A HERO' like it's nothing. Can you honestly, hand on heart, say you'd REALLY get in there and help? Personally, I'd be terrified. I'm not afraid to admit that. But if push comes to shove, I'd do SOMETHING. Even if it's call the police and cry a little.

 

[Fredrikorex]

That umm... "She" got beat up is nothing special (people get beat up all the time) but that nobody did anything, that's just wrong.

Was it really necessary to put quotations around 'She'?

Not really, I'm just not sure if I should say he or she.

But it's mostly because transgendered people scare me.

I find them disturbing, sorry.

 

[Kerra]

That umm... "She" got beat up is nothing special (people get beat up all the time) but that nobody did anything, that's just wrong.

Was it really necessary to put quotations around 'She'?

Not really, I'm just not sure if I should say he or she.

But it's mostly because transgendered people scare me.

Why? We are no different from anyone else except for that one thing.

 

[Ellen of Kitten]

That umm... "She" got beat up is nothing special (people get beat up all the time) but that nobody did anything, that's just wrong.

Was it really necessary to put quotations around 'She'?

Not really, I'm just not sure if I should say he or she.

But it's mostly because transgendered people scare me.

It's not to difficult though. I'm a trans girl. I look like a girl. You can call me She without any air quotes.

I will admit, there is some gray area for trans people in the beginning stages of transition that don't look like their future gender roles, and yet go by those pronouns. Even I stumble on those.

But as a general rule, if they even look like they've put some effort into it (even if you can tell what they may have been born as), honor their trials by referring to them by their intended pronoun, quotes free.

 

[CardinalPiggles]

what were the employee's to do? you know that when you get hired they tell you if you get involved in any confrontation, no matter the reason, you're fired on the spot. they can't take the risk of someone getting hurt. so if the kids (probably) valued their jobs there was nothing they could do.

except call the police, i dont remember either article saying anyone called the police.

maybe they did, and if so i completely agree with what your saying, getting involved is always 'at your own risk' and why should they take that risk.

 

[Thyunda]

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Not to sound rude - but you guys (Not the person who posted the topic) mainly trouble me with your posts. You value a job more then someone who is getting brutally attacked and beaten to where she is required to transfer to the hospital? No job no matter how good or bad the pay is- is worth a life. You can say it's no big deal or that you can't risk the job.. but really, to sit there and watch?

You guys would not think twice if a child was being beaten up by a Group while you're on the job, so what difference does it make that it's a transgender woman? Of all things.. it saddens me to see that you really wouldn't do anything. Least you guys can do is call 911, if not get involved with the fight. But to stand there.. that's truly a downfall to our society if everyone felt that way. Just saying..

Agreed. I mean, I'm unemployed, and I'm actually desperate for a job. But if I landed the best job in the world, and this incident happened there instead, I'd have done something. Maybe it's because I'm an idiot and I don't often think before I act. In front of me is a woman being beaten up. On my premises. I am not having that. They are leaving my workplace even if I have to throw them out.
Perhaps afterwards, my manager will tell me he wants a word with me, and then I'll suddenly think "Oh shit. I've lost my job."

Noam Chomsky had a lecture on this kind of attitude. It's called wage slavery. It is literally no different to actually being a slave, and this is evidence in its favour. We can't live without working. We justify it by saying we get paid money for it, and that is why it is not slavery, and because it is voluntary.
But is it really voluntary? Of course not. If our job says we can't help our fellow human being, then it is slavery. Regardless of how bad your circumstances are, you can find ways to better them. That woman was at that moment being beaten, presumably the attackers would have killed her. Anybody that thinks of themselves first is a victim of that psychology surrounding getting a job. It just isn't right.

Hell, if I got beaten up in the ensuing melee, then maybe that would be the inspiration my co-workers needed to finally step up and do the right thing. Even if the woman had somehow deserved the attacks, it's a matter of self-respect to make sure it doesn't happen in your vicinity. A restaurant is a place to eat, not a place to fight.

 

[Woodsey]

All the comments about not getting involved because you're more worried about your shitty minimum wage job are really heart warming.