Transgendered Woman Beat Up In McDonald's; Employees Do Nothing

[DoctorPhil]

If you went to sleep one day with a massive cancerious deformation growing from your face and woke up the next day with it gone... would you really want it back?

What.....? I was saying, if your mind is that of a man and your body that of a woman anyone in that situation would want to have a man's body, so it's understandable and nothing scary. If anything you should feel sorry for them because it must be terrible to be in that situation.

Its not really the same as waking up in the wrong body one day, its more of a niggling thought in the back of your mind and one day you figure out what its trying to tell you.

Obviously. I was just giving an example the guy could empathise with and understand what being a Transgendered undoubtedly feels like.

 

[StrangerQ]

When i had finished reading this... I got really really angry.
HOW IN THE F*** PEOPLE CARE SOME BLOODY SHITTY McD JOB IN THAT SITUATION. WHAT THE F*** IS WRONG WITH THESE F***ING IDIOTS...

For some reason after i was the target of most bullies and insults i ended up being protective figure to weaker ones who got targeted (tallest, strongest, largest i was)
and this mentality stayed with me boosted by my bloody strong feel of emphaty
(suprise suprise i like being tank or support player).

So seeing something like this just turned the rage valves on and started reaction to be ready to beat crap out those human scum with lead pipe.

edit: and to be ready to take everything they got on me

 

[Kerra]

So the employees are more at fault than the other customers? Regular employees are instructed to avoid getting involved in these kind of instances and to fetch the manager instead. Part of the reason is to avoid escalating the situation as they're not trained to deal with it. That's why regular employees of big-box stores are discouraged from actively pursing shoplifters. What if the thief panics and pulls out a knife or a gun? Is $20 worth of pilfered snacks worth getting shot/stabbed, or even worse getting another customer injured or killed in the crossfire? Either way someone can get hurt, and the parent company is VERY liable as opposed to just on the receiving end of bad publicity. Same reason why bank tellers and jewellers are instructed to be compliant and get armed robbers out quickly without starting a panic, letting the proper authorities deal with it.

Who cares if they are instructed not to get involved or to tell the manager, its not $20 worth or food or some jewels being stolen, its a human being getting viciously assaulted for nothing, if it was you that had been the one that got attacked would you think to yourself "oh, im glad they didn't help me, those guidelines are obviously justified and useful in the situation"

 

[Hive Mind]

We find the individual's gender most irrelevant.

Its not really irrelevant, this attack was provoked by the woman trying to use the female bathroom, the gender is quite relevant to this particular case

We find the reason irrelevant. It is the assault of an innocent that most disturbs us.

 

[Kerra]

Its not really the same as waking up in the wrong body one day, its more of a niggling thought in the back of your mind and one day you figure out what its trying to tell you.

Obviously. I was just giving an example the guy could empathise with and understand what being a Transgendered undoubtedly feels like.

Oh yea, i get that, i use that example sometimes aswell, just making sure you hadn't gotten a wrong idea of what transpeople feel =)

 

[Emilin_Rose]

I'm not so sure this is a hate crime, as one of the article states, but it is definitely a depressing and violent act that should have been stopped, not recorded.

I'm glad someone intervened. I think we're slowly becoming a society of spectators, who allow our morals to take the backseat, when it doesn't directly involve us. Acts of bravery like Vicki Thomas, I believe, should be emulated and stories like this should be shared.

How is this not a hate crime? the woman did nothing deserving and was attacked. That's like saying a neo-nazi attacking an asian man, or a male-supremist attacking a black guy for no reason isn't a hate crime.

Frankly it disgusts me what they did and it disappoints me in you, dear sir, that you don't consider this to be a "hate crime"

As for Ms. Thomas, bravo my good woman, bravo.

 

[Catchy Slogan]

There's a psychological theory at play here. It's called "Diffusion of Responsibility".

I'd look it up and give an exact definition, but I'm sweepy...

I think this pretty much covers it.


When I was younger, I liked to think that if I was being attacked that someone would step in, that someone would help, but I'm no longer naive enough to believe that. If someone was being attacked most people would just pass it by, out of fear, out of not wanting to get involved, out of thinking it's none of thier business/ responsibility.

I'd like to think that in similar curcumstances I would try and help, I like to think that I'm a better person than this, but since I haven't been involved in anything like this, I'm not sure whether my flight instincts are stronger than my fight instincts.

EDIT:

I think this ones a bit better.

 

[silversnake4133]

It's too full of miserable people who only want to destroy things and only care about themselves and their money.

But then again, that's how it always was. :/

 

[Cowabungaa]

You say that, but who's to say you would really act? I'm sure had you been in the actual situation, you would be much more reluctant to step in, I agree that it's not a great employee policy, but where does thinking that 'fuck the manager, I'm going to do what I think is right', leave you? Fired, that's where.

le snip

Never said I was an actual decent person now did I? Mind you though, policies like that don't exist in this country. You can't be fired on a whim like that here, and I strongly suspect they'd laugh you in the face if you dare sue them like that (yay for not having a sue culture). Plus there'd be so much protest from the community (it's a wee small village) here that they wouldn't dare fire someone like that. This place can have it's (tiny) advantages.

snip

But you do keep paying attention to the fact that they're different, that they belong to a different group. I don't want minorities and majorities in general, just people. But sadly humans don't work like that. Silly creatures we are.

 

[Verlander]

The employees shouldn't do anything, bar call the police. They aren't paid, nor legally protected to intervene.

Sadly, hate crimes happen all of the time. The comment was incredibly insensitive, but bigots have to work somewhere. It's a sad thing to have happened though.

 

[Kerra]

That umm... "She" got beat up is nothing special (people get beat up all the time) but that nobody did anything, that's just wrong.

Was it really necessary to put quotations around 'She'?

Not really, I'm just not sure if I should say he or she.

But it's mostly because transgendered people scare me.

I find them disturbing, sorry.

Finding us disturbing isn't better than finding us scary.. what's so bad about us?

 

[Ziadaine_v1legacy]

I hope McDonalds fires and charges the manager to be honest. its a managers job to protect his or her employees, you fail that, you have no right to be a manager ever again, ESPECIALLY in this instance.

 

[Smooth Operator]

1. sorry but those employees are not bouncers
2. it's America:
- attackers were teenage girls, if you were to help out the impending lawsuits would leave you a skint broke hobo at best
- most people are armed so you got a good chance of getting stabbed, shot or both
- when the police arrives and you are there beating up girls who do you think they will shoot at... oh but the police wouldn't... let me say it again, it's America

 

[Pipotchi]

I hope McDonalds fires all staff on duty and charges the manager to be honest. its a managers job to protect his or her employees, you fail that, you have no right to be a manager ever again, ESPECIALLY in this instance.

What? He manages a Mcdonalds not a security team. His responsbility is to call the police. I admit its harsh that no-one helped her and the guy who filmed it is a muppet and should be sacked but the Mcdonalds staff have no extra duty of care than any other customer.

 

[Sandytimeman]

what were the employee's to do? you know that when you get hired they tell you if you get involved in any confrontation, no matter the reason, you're fired on the spot. they can't take the risk of someone getting hurt. so if the kids (probably) valued their jobs there was nothing they could do.

That is not true at all. I work for McDonald's as a Manager and I happen to know that starting a fight, fighting with other employees or trying to take down a robber will get you fired. But saving someone's life really isn't on the list of offenses you get fired for. There are plenty of ways they could have helped. Called the police, shielded her with their body.

I for one, would not let this happen on my shift, even if I got fired for breaking up the fight or saving her life. Is a barley above min wage job really worth watching someone die for?

On a side note you could always put in the reasons for leaving column of your next job application "Stopped a near fatal beating of an innocent bystander" and then list the victim as a personal reference. I'm pretty sure any decent business would want you.

 

[crop52]

the attacker was fourteen?

*siiiiiiiiiiiiigh*