Kerra said:
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Comparing a white supremacist to a transgender person is hardly an accurate comparison. White supremacy is a point of view that one chooses to take and chooses to display openly and is directly and purposely provocative. Being Transgendered is something that the person has no control over, and its not something that can usually be ignored. In my case it was a choice between treatment and living as a girl, or suicide, and its the exact same with a good many of my trasngendered friends, thats what is comes down to, its not something that you can just choose to accept or to flaunt, I dont try to look transgendered in public, but im not at the point where i can pass completely as female yet, someone like a white supremacist or a homosexual or someone of a particular religious belief, can hide that, they can walk down the street without every eye turning to them and knowing exactly what they are and having to worry if anyone might turn around and attack them for their position, should i be punished for trying to make progress towards living the way that i should have been from birth, and dont think that 'toning it down' or 'just acting like a man/woman in public' is even a valid option for alot of transpeople, because its something that can be extremely mentally and emotionally damaging if you have to regress back to your original sex.
Oh and please dont confuse transgender and tranvestite, its not the same thing
Also im sorry if i missed the point or misinterpreted what you were trying to say, please feel free to correct
I disagree. Nothing basically grafts women's clothing onto someone who is a transgender and forces them to go around and act on their impulses.
For someone who instinctively thinks Whites are superior, it's the same thing. It's what they think, and how they are wired. Inherant, learned behavior, or whatever else doesn't matter, it's who they are too. Nothing however forces them to run around expressing this, and covering themselves with hate imagery.
Maybe the transgender person is uncomfortable, but so is the white supremicist whenever he seems something that pushes his buttons and remains silent and doesn't express himself.
It's the same thing, it's just that you agree with one, and not the other, so you of course want to say that they are differant.
My attitude is that both of these people have the right to express themselves, but being tiny minority groups that slot a LOT of people off, they should be ready to deal with the consequences. Neither is entitled to aggravate people, and then claim special consideration as victims of a "hate crime". If anything by being overt, it should be considered an aggravating factor.
If someone stalks a transgender person for being what they are, and beats the crap out of them in a vaccum, that's one thing, that's a hate crime. If a transgender person makes an unwelcome pass at someone, persists, and then gets insulting and lippy about the whole thing, and makes a big deal about what they are and their status, well that's a provoked attack. That doesn't mean the person who hits/beats them is right, and shouldn't be charged with a crime, but the crime should carry a far, far, lesser weight given that it was provoked.
If you opt to express an extreme lifestyle, that's your right, but you should be ready to accept the consequences of that choice. If a transgender person doesn't want to risk that, then they can suffer in silence just like anyone else with an extreme position who doesn't want to deal with the repercussions. It's all about choices.
While unfair to some, understand we're dealing with very small groups of people overall, who wind up being diametrically opposed to the majority and their comfort zone or what they believe in. These people have the right to dress how they want, and speak their minds, but shouldn't be entitled to any special consideration when they piss people off by doing so.
As I said, we don't know the entire situation here, my gut feeling is that the attck was provoked, and that's why you saw the general attitude you did about it. That doesn't mean the attack was right, but it does mean that it's not some kind of especially heinous situation either.
In the end we're going to doubtlessly have to agree to disagree, however I do not agree with you that there is a differance between one person's state of being and another. The distinctions being made here are entirely politically correct nonsense, based around supporting one thing, but not supporting the other.
After all as a lot of transgender people will tell you "I'm born this way, it's natural for me to act like the other gender", a lot of white supremicists will tell you "I'm born inherantly superior, instinctively recognize this, and have simply not been brainwashed" especially when you read a lot of that propaganda. Hitler for example had this big huge thing about a race of psychic white giants from Atlantis as a central principle of his Aryan supremacy theories from what I read. Extreme positions always seem insane to those who don't agree with them, and like they shouldn't be protected, where the ones they do agree with are sane and reasonable.
The point is tha the person who believes they are innately the other gender, and the person who believes they are an entitled master race, are the same thing, and will argue an instristic state of being. Choosing to express that however and piss people off who would otherwise tolerate them if they kept it to themevles, is still an aggravating factor. Understand also, that it's not JUST about what the minority group believes, but about the rights of the majority as well, and what they believe. Pissing someone off, is pissing someone off, whether you believe your intristically right in pushing their buttons that's still what your doing, and shouldn't expect to be excused for it.
Just as the majority needs to tolerant minorities, minority groups need to be tolerant of the majority and work to fit in without provoking people. You get in someone's face with something they don't like, and your asking for trouble, it doesn't really matter what it is.
