Transgendered Woman Beat Up In McDonald's; Employees Do Nothing

[omega 616]

"When they started really hurting her, to the point where I thought she was going to die, that's when I decided someone needed to do something."

Sorry, what?

If they just beat her to the ground and give 2 or 3 kicks you wouldn't have helpped but when it got serious, you stepped in?

Were was that line exactly? After 15 seconds it's too much? Or is it based on the number of people kicking in somebodies head? I just want to know for future referance....

 

[RoBi3.0]

The discussion has to start some where and the internet is incredibly far reaching so why not?

You know damn well that the internet doesn't have the maturity to handle any discussion more in-depth than "do you like Call of Duty", to which the answer is always "NO BUT IM THE ONLY ONE WHO DOESNT LIKE IT". If you want evidence, just read the thread.

I think you are wrong, via the internet I have met a whole host of people mature enough to handle this conversation. There are people that can't and they probably outnumber those who can, but that is the same in real life. The internet is just as good as any other place to have this discussion.

I however will drop this conversation with you, as apparently I have struck a nerve and for that I am sorry.

 

[Kerra]

You know what else doesn't happen outside the internet? Furries.

You apparently havent heard of fursuiting or furcons

 

[Kerra]

You know what else doesn't happen outside the internet? Furries.

You apparently havent heard of fursuiting or furcons

I have. I just know where all that stupid crap got started. If it weren't for the internet, furries wouldn't really be as widespread as they are. It's the kind of thing that only the internet can entertain. I guess I should have said "it didn't happen before the internet", because it really didn't.

True true, most furrys probly would have just considered themselves to be into bestiality or whatnot before discovering furrys on the internet. I guess we can thank the trolls for that, drawing so much attention to furrys has brung alot more to the community than it has taken away

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

Were I a worker, I don't know what I would do. Call the cops, I'm sure.

However, were I a customer, I would tell the girls they had 2 seconds to stop or I would start fighting them. I've got enough lawyers (9) in my family to get out of this.

The rules are the same when force is used to protect another from danger. Generally, the defendant must have a reasonable belief that the third party is in a position where they would have the right of self defense. For example, a person who unknowingly chances upon two actors practicing a fight would be able to defend their restraint of the one that appeared to be the aggressor. Most courts have ruled that such a defense cannot be used to protect friends or family members who have engaged in an illegal fight. Likewise, one cannot use this to aid a criminal

Why?

1. Innocent life is important beyond all else. You are one of the good guys. You do not hurt innocent people, or by inaction allow them to be harmed if you can at all prevent it.

2. Wicked life is worthless. Those who would willingly, knowingly, and intentionally harm innocent people for personal gain ... for pleasure, or for some other purpose have irrevocably forfeited every right they have ever possessed as a consequence of their actions.

Would I like punching a 14 year old girl in the face? No. Would I do it to save a fellow human who was being attacked by said 14 year old girl? Yes.

 

[Kortney]

It's kind of upsetting to me looking at all the people on this site who are defending the staff for not doing anything. But, I guess that's the world we live in now. These days, being an employee of McDonalds is as much as a reason as you need to let someone be degraded and assaulted in public.

 

[Velocity Eleven]

Im actually surprised by just how many trans people are in this thread

 

[ZeroMachine]

And this has... what, exactly... do do with her being a former he?

They beat her up because they're young, stupid, and thought she was flirting with one of their boyfriends. End of story. Hate crime this is not.

Im actually surprised by just how many trans people are in this thread

Oh, we're everywhere. We're under your floorboards, and one day, when you least expect it, we will come FOR YOUR BRAAAAAAAAAINS.

"They climbin' in yo window, snatchin' yo people up..."

 

[Krantos]

If the Manager didn't call the cops then they should definitely get in trouble. If they're only getting called out for not intervening personally, then that's wrong. McDonald's has a very strict policy on employees using force against customers, regardless of the reason. It's grounds for instant termination, no questions asked.

So, if the people are getting fired for NOT doing something, its essentially McDonald's sacrificing it's people to preserve it's own image.

Like I said, though, if they didn't even call the police, they deserve to get in trouble. I used to be an overnight manager at a 24hr McD's in a college town, and I was calling the police to break up a fight at least once or twice a month.

 

[TornadoFive]

I know it's been said here already, but the employees did what they should have done. Employees CANNOT get involved in stuff like this. I know it sounds really heartless and cold, but there's a serious risk of you going to court if you get involved. It's the managers responsibility intervene in these situations. If the guy filming was trying to get evidence so they could be caught later, then thats a totally different story than just wanting something to show off to his mates.

But the guy who made the comment about her not being a woman? That's a whole 'nother story.

 

[Kerra]

Im actually surprised by just how many trans people are in this thread

Oh, we're everywhere. We're under your floorboards, and one day, when you least expect it, we will come FOR YOUR BRAAAAAAAAAINS.

We can be anyone, anywhere, post operation you would never ever be able to tell that we were ever anything other than our correct gender

 

[Azaraxzealot]

you know, i don't like these "hate crime" laws.
because if you kick a guy in the balls, it's a crime
if you kick a guy of ANOTHER RACE in the balls, it's a hate crime

i think south park says it best
sorry, i can't find the clip of south park itself.

anyways. yes, it's horrible that these people went ahead and said "You know that's a transvestite, right?"

that's fucked up, but by law, sitting back and doing nothing is not a crime. beating up on a person? that's a crime. beating up on innocent bystanders? that's a crime. beating up on someone who wants to help the person getting beat up? that's a crime.

watching the beating taking place and doing nothing? not a crime (sad, but true)

 

[Serenegoose]

that's fucked up, but by law, sitting back and doing nothing is not a crime. beating up on a person? that's a crime. beating up on innocent bystanders? that's a crime. beating up on someone who wants to help the person getting beat up? that's a crime.

watching the beating taking place and doing nothing? not a crime (sad, but true)

It's a good thing I don't take my ethics from what's legal or not then!

Since when did "Sorry, I'm lawful stupid, my alignment won't let me intervene" become a defense, anyway?

 

[Velocity Eleven]

Im actually surprised by just how many trans people are in this thread

Oh, we're everywhere. We're under your floorboards, and one day, when you least expect it, we will come FOR YOUR BRAAAAAAAAAINS.

you wont be wanting my brains cause I'm trans myself

 

[Longsight]

I know it's been said here already, but the employees did what they should have done. Employees CANNOT get involved in stuff like this. I know it sounds really heartless and cold, but there's a serious risk of you going to court if you get involved. It's the managers responsibility intervene in these situations. If the guy filming was trying to get evidence so they could be caught later, then thats a totally different story than just wanting something to show off to his mates.

But the guy who made the comment about her not being a woman? That's a whole 'nother story.

Except that they CAN get involved if they want to. Company policy does not define who you are; and at the end of the day, you're going to look back at that situation and feel really quite shitty for not doing anything to help. Worried you'll get fired for it? If you intervene you'll be a local (possibly national) hero - if you don't you'll still be another drone working at McDonalds. I know which I'd prefer to be. The same people who freeze and worry about company policy when it happens to them are just as ready to express disgust at people for doing the same elsewhere, and glorify those who step up and take a couple of knocks for someone else's sake.

Fear of litigation doesn't stop you being human, and you only get one shot at life to prove what you're worth.

 

[Kortney]

that's fucked up, but by law, sitting back and doing nothing is not a crime.

Incorrect. It is indeed a crime, especially when things get serious. We all have a duty of care - a legal one.