Trilogy-itis

[StorytellingIsAMust]

Personally, I think Lord of the Rings defies your trilogy-itis theory. Return of the King kicked so much more ass than Two Towers.

In addition to trilogy-itis, there's something I like to call the "Capcom syndrome".

I haven't played the Castlevania series, but from perpetuated opinions it sounds like C1 kicked ass, C2 fucked up hard, then C3 went back to the kickass, C4 was a remake of 1 that kicked even more ass, then Symphony of The Night on PS1 completely radicalized the franchise, but then C64 came and double-jumped the shark and never got a good title since.

I have three problems with this post:

1. Castlevania was made by Konami, not Capcom. But that's not important.
2. You've never played Castlevania? Go play Castlevania now!! It's AWESOME!!
3. Okay, time for seriousness. Who the hell said there haven't been any good Castlevania games since C64? There are some great ones for the GBA and DS. Circle of Moon, Aria of Sorrow, Portrait of Ruin, Dawn of Sorrow...these games are amazing.

 

[Zack Alklazaris]

Works for most trilogies everywhere. Third Matrix movie for instance.

 

[VoidWanderer]

Having just finished Uncharted 3, I have to say it is far and away the best in the series. So...myth busted.

The best? Really?

For me, it was the weakest. The gameplay barely changes, the formula is as rigid as a virgin in a brothel. It is so contrived and boring, my favourite part was walking through the desert, because that's all it was.

Also for a Myth to be busted, a cannon has the get shot through a house, I mean proven beyond reasonable doubt.

 

[Erttheking]

After watching the latest Zero Punctuation, it dawned on me that the second game in a trilogy is almost unanimously the best and the third game is when they start removing features that were present in the second game as well as it just being a weaker game in general.

So! Can anyone think of more examples/trilogies that defy this/an explanation for it?

Mass Effect 2 for various reasons was a horrible game that for me killed the franchise and made me lose all interest in it. (horrid nonsense story, retcons galore, worse combat system, DLC that made the entire main story plot pointless and should have been the 2nd game instead, Cerberus, Shepard dying, Shepard being resurrected, and other more minor things)

As such your opinion the 2nd game in a trilogy is always the best is flawed as Mass Effect 2 proves.

Then again, there is no proof, except your opinion, which is in the far, far, far, utter, far, far, dismal minority of maybe 3 people worldwide.

But nice bitterness though, troll!

So having an opinion about ME2 being shit makes me a troll? Really? Do you have any proof? Or are you sir the real troll for trying to start a flame war? I'm gonna go with the second option.

No, that opinion doesn't make you a troll. Making your text bright red which just screams "Pay attention to me!" while ripping apart something THAT makes you a troll. I see no other reason for why you use it, tearing down what other people like is dangerously close to troll territory, but if you back it up back acting reasonable then you can convince me that you're not. The red text though...I have never seen anyone on this site use it, the only conclusion that I can reach is that you want attention

OT: Personally I despised the combat system in ME1 and I loved ME2 to death, my hopes are high for ME3. I never played the first gears of war, but I thought that the second and third were exciting and enjoyable, I was glad to see that the third added new weapons and enemies in the third(Savage locust, lambent, seige beasts, serapeds, armored kantus, beast barge, those weird little drone things, etc.)

 

[DustyDrB]

Having just finished Uncharted 3, I have to say it is far and away the best in the series. So...myth busted.

The best? Really?

For me, it was the weakest. The gameplay barely changes, the formula is as rigid as a virgin in a brothel. It is so contrived and boring, my favourite part was walking through the desert, because that's all it was.

Also for a Myth to be busted, a cannon has the get shot through a house, I mean proven beyond reasonable doubt.

It eschewed the cheesy supernatural crap that killed the third act for both of the first two games for me (it did worry me for a bit, but I guess I'm thankful for hallucinogenic water). So I very much prefer its story overall because of that, and because I like Sully.

Gameplay wise, it's an improvement on the first two games and had that outstanding sinking ship section. I loved that part.

 

[Erttheking]

After watching the latest Zero Punctuation, it dawned on me that the second game in a trilogy is almost unanimously the best and the third game is when they start removing features that were present in the second game as well as it just being a weaker game in general.

So! Can anyone think of more examples/trilogies that defy this/an explanation for it?

Mass Effect 2 for various reasons was a horrible game that for me killed the franchise and made me lose all interest in it. (horrid nonsense story, retcons galore, worse combat system, DLC that made the entire main story plot pointless and should have been the 2nd game instead, Cerberus, Shepard dying, Shepard being resurrected, and other more minor things)

As such your opinion the 2nd game in a trilogy is always the best is flawed as Mass Effect 2 proves.

Then again, there is no proof, except your opinion, which is in the far, far, far, utter, far, far, dismal minority of maybe 3 people worldwide.

But nice bitterness though, troll!

So having an opinion about ME2 being shit makes me a troll? Really? Do you have any proof? Or are you sir the real troll for trying to start a flame war? I'm gonna go with the second option.

No, that opinion doesn't make you a troll. Making your text bright red which just screams "Pay attention to me!" while ripping apart something THAT makes you a troll. I see no other reason for why you use it, tearing down what other people like is dangerously close to troll territory, but if you back it up back acting reasonable then you can convince me that you're not. The red text though...I have never seen anyone on this site use it, the only conclusion that I can reach is that you want attention

OT: Personally I despised the combat system in ME1 and I loved ME2 to death, my hopes are high for ME3. I never played the first gears of war, but I thought that the second and third were exciting and enjoyable, I was glad to see that the third added new weapons and enemies in the third(Savage locust, lambent, seige beasts, serapeds, armored kantus, beast barge, those weird little drone things, etc.)

I post in red text to honor my favorite sports team. Nothing more nothing less. I do this on every forum I'm on.

As for having reasons why I hate Mass Efect 2 I do believe I gave a nice summary of why in my original post.
The horrid story.
The retcons. (I loath any form of retconing)
The worse combat that made it go from a nice unique experience to a clone of a lot of modern cover based shooters. (of which I hate all shooters that rely on cover based combat and have innate regenerating health) The worse combat also came with severely weakened Biotics and made them a joke. (seriously armor now stops them as well as regular shields I am not impressed)
The Arrival DLC making the entire fucking plot of the main game pointless and made me feel it was a better Mass effect 2 than the actual main game. A DLC should never be the only good thing story wise in a game and should not trivialize and make pointless the entire reason of the main story of the main game.
Shepard dying, being resurrected, and Cerberus now being good guys should be self explanatory. And now it seems Mass Effect 3 will retcon Cerberus into being evil again. I did mention I hate retcons right?

For a more comprehensive story on why I hate Mass effect 2 (and to save me from several posts worth of typing) go look up Smudboy's Youtube channel. He does a very good video series explaining why Mass effect 2 was a load of horse shit.

I really didn't comment on your hating of Mass Effect, more of I commented on your criticizing of it in a way that seemed to be a trolling run and a plead for attention. BTW while we're on topic if you're going to come up with complaints, do a better job man. ME1 combat was freaking awful, there was no tension, I didn't even feel like I was fighting it was so clunky. I don't care if something is similar to something else, if I have an amazingly fun time then they're doing it right, I had 10x as much fun playing ME2 then I ever did playing ME1.

Also would you care to point out exactly how the bloody Hell Arrival made the game pointless? Did you not listen to Bioware when they said that it was a stepping stone DLC that is going to connect ME2 and ME3? And what was wrong with the story, oh let me guess, you're one of those people that have zero willing suspension of disbelief. Shepard dying was a point to prove exactly how powerful both the Collectors and Cerberus was, Collectors for being able to kill him, Cerberus for bringing him back. And apparently you missed the point of the story, Cerberus wasn't supposed to be looked on as good guys, the idea is that the situation is so bad that Shepard has to work with a terrorist group in order to get things done. The Enemy of my enemy is my friend.

 

[ActionDan]

Jak 3 totally defied this, best game in the series, then they had to release that "Jak X" bullcrap.

 

[Littaly]

I have two that defies it! Although neither of them are really trilogies (I'm kind of picky with that term), but rather three-movie-series, but since that is what everyone is posting anyway, I'll go ahead and do the same.

Dollars trilogy! The Good the Bad and the Ugly is the third and generally regarded as the strongest movie in that series. Adding to that, the second movie is regarded as the weakest.

Also, Mission Impossible. The two first ones aren't all that great, but the third one is actually pretty damn good if you turn it off 15 minutes from the end and imagine the rest of the movie ^^

 

[Ultimatecalibur]

The problem with most modern "Trilogies" comes from them not being created as true trilogies. They are often a stand alone work followed by a sequel duology.

 

[Smeggs]

As such your opinion the 2nd game in a trilogy is always the best is flawed as Mass Effect 2 proves.

To be fair, your opinion does not render his opinion invalid.

I quite enjoyed ME2, perhaps even more so than the original. You saying it sucked doesn't really prove anything other than that you didn't like it.

I did enjoy ME2 more than the original. They fixed most of the problems I'd had with the original combat-wise, and although I did not expect them to totally take out the inventory, the inventory system in ME1 was awful, I spent probably as much time switching out for new weapons, armor and upgrades as I did playing the damn thing. The revamp for ME3 sounds nice, though. Now if only tehy'd simply improved the vehicle sections instead of giving us that horrible mining minigame and the Hammerhead DLC.

Also, even though the story did get rather strange in the end, I think people are a bit too hard on Bioware for it. I understand some might have thought it was bad, but you're overreacting if you claim it "ruined the series," considering it wasn't even a series until the second game came out. Easily not bad enough to warrant not playing the final game.

 

[SonicWaffle]

The revamp for ME3 sounds nice, though. Now if only tehy'd simply improved the vehicle sections instead of giving us that horrible mining minigame and the Hammerhead DLC.

Everyone's so down on the planet-mining, but you know what I've found? It's incredibly soothing. I've woken up Saturday morning with a cracking hangover, then I've sat and scanned planets for a couple of hours and felt better. It's not bright flashing lights, loud noises or any form of excitement, but it's a necessary task and bizarrely relaxing.

Also, even though the story did get rather strange in the end, I think people are a bit too hard on Bioware for it. I understand some might have thought it was bad, but you're overreacting if you claim it "ruined the series," considering it wasn't even a series until the second game came out. Easily not bad enough to warrant not playing the final game.

Meh, gamers. There's something about us that lends itself to petty dickishness, and I don't find it all too surprising that people will pick holes in the sequel to a game they loved. You're damned if you make the same game again, you're damned if you change it, that's just the way gamers seem to be. Which is to say, spoiled pricks ;-)

 

[CaptOfSerenity]

Nah, Modern Warfare 2?
Someone who played every God of War enlighten me (I only played 1 and 2).

Yeah, all game reviewers lie about mass Effect 2. In fact all fans of the series who think Mass Effect 2 is better are paid to say good things about it. There's not one single person alive who actually likes Mass Effect 2.

Just because you didn't like it, doesn't everyone else is "corrupt." There are millions of people who like ME2. I'm one of them, and I use to not like it.

Grow up.

Fix your sarcasm detector.

Come on, you know how hard it is to detect sarcasm on the internet? It's like finding a needle in a stack of needles.
Anyway, I am sorry.

 

[Yopaz]

Nah, Modern Warfare 2?
Someone who played every God of War enlighten me (I only played 1 and 2).

Yeah, all game reviewers lie about mass Effect 2. In fact all fans of the series who think Mass Effect 2 is better are paid to say good things about it. There's not one single person alive who actually likes Mass Effect 2.

Just because you didn't like it, doesn't everyone else is "corrupt." There are millions of people who like ME2. I'm one of them, and I use to not like it.

Grow up.

Fix your sarcasm detector.

Come on, you know how hard it is to detect sarcasm on the internet? It's like finding a needle in a stack of needles.
Anyway, I am sorry.

When I say everyone who likes a game that one person say is terrible have been paid in order to pretend they like it that's either sarcasm or I believe in one of the craziest conspiracy theories ever.

 

[Nouw]

Well it's certainly true in the main AVP games. AVP '3' was apparently terrible and AVP2 I can say for sure is a fantastic game.

 

[Supertegwyn]

How come no one said dragon age2?

Dragon age 2 is not as good as the first for too many reasons for me to list , not the worst game , but pretty bad in comparaison .

Metroid prime 2. This is debatable , but personally i think that the developpers were trying too hard . Still a great game , very had and frustrating game . But imo it's the weaker of the three . But ... Don't quote me on that xD.

Is Dragon Age 2 a trilogy? I only know about Origins and 2.

The tirth one hasn't been released yet is all . Just like the people saying mass effect 2 :/. The story just isn't finished .

No offence, but what the hell are you talking about? I can't understand anything that you are saying.

OT: It all depends on the series really.

 

[CaptOfSerenity]

Nah, Modern Warfare 2?
Someone who played every God of War enlighten me (I only played 1 and 2).

Yeah, all game reviewers lie about mass Effect 2. In fact all fans of the series who think Mass Effect 2 is better are paid to say good things about it. There's not one single person alive who actually likes Mass Effect 2.

Just because you didn't like it, doesn't everyone else is "corrupt." There are millions of people who like ME2. I'm one of them, and I use to not like it.

Grow up.

Fix your sarcasm detector.

Come on, you know how hard it is to detect sarcasm on the internet? It's like finding a needle in a stack of needles.
Anyway, I am sorry.

When I say everyone who likes a game that one person say is terrible have been paid in order to pretend they like it that's either sarcasm or I believe in one of the craziest conspiracy theories ever.

well, people are fucking crazy.

 

[Yopaz]

Nah, Modern Warfare 2?
Someone who played every God of War enlighten me (I only played 1 and 2).

Yeah, all game reviewers lie about mass Effect 2. In fact all fans of the series who think Mass Effect 2 is better are paid to say good things about it. There's not one single person alive who actually likes Mass Effect 2.

Just because you didn't like it, doesn't everyone else is "corrupt." There are millions of people who like ME2. I'm one of them, and I use to not like it.

Grow up.

Fix your sarcasm detector.

Come on, you know how hard it is to detect sarcasm on the internet? It's like finding a needle in a stack of needles.
Anyway, I am sorry.

When I say everyone who likes a game that one person say is terrible have been paid in order to pretend they like it that's either sarcasm or I believe in one of the craziest conspiracy theories ever.

well, people are fucking crazy.

OK, you make a fair point. My conspiracy wouldn't rank that high compared to some of what I've see here...