Trion Claims Rift Stole WoW Subscribers
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Difference is that WAR was loosing subs after 1st month and Rift is apparently gaining them. The trick is in developers approach. Some people are rally annoyed with what Blizzard is doing to WoW. Raid tier that's only 7 bosses, more "paid" services, another 25$ mount, more nerfs to previous tries of dungeons and raid instances, 4.1 recycling, etc. That doesn't resonate well with people.fi6eka said:
Same time you have Trion that allows character transfer for free, looks like they listen to community issues and react to them rather fast, they manage to put out patches at decent speed, the game is well polished compared to majority of MMO releases (even to WoW release, that was hell of buggy game in first months)
I still think however, that the EQ-clone MMO era is nearing to it's end with TOR being one of last of the kind (yes it's still EQ clone). There is more and more "action" type MMOs in works with combat less focus on Tab->111222111 style combat and more reactive and twitch based controls.
Currently im actually waiting for more info on The secret World. The game has neat setting (lovecraftian, modern world, secret societies), 3 factions (finally, that's a big change in pvp pacing), no levels, outfits being fully customizable rather than limited to "you have to wear this ugly armor because its purple", objective based pvp, and with stealth/recon pve missions. If it works out like it sounds it might be fun.
I played the Rift beta, and I didn't think it better than WoW in the end. About the only thing I'd label as "Better" is the graphics. The people were just as stupid, the quests were just as grindy, the spec system was...Well, ok. The spec system was different. But really, it's WoW repainted with new colors.
People can play multipule MMO's at once so it doesnt really matter if 600,000 people who play WoW may also play Rift as well.
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These people will probably flock to the new Blizzard MMO if they were bored enough to go this MMO unless Rift is better than I thought.
Rift is good. I really like it. The soul system is what i like about it. It is fun being able to combine and make hybrids.I am level 50 and I worked on my currents specs for weeks before i knew what i wanted it to be. Healing as a mage with the chrolomancer/Warlock build is the most fun healing I have ever done. I use to heal as a druid back in MC and never was a big fan but a brilliant idea in making a mage have a spec that does Damage heal heals. It works brilliantly! It should be a standard class ability in every MMO. So much fun! Rift is still in vinella phase. I believe WOW has every right to be worried about Rift. What Rift has that Star Wars and Guild Wars 2 doesnt is that it is here and now and until you have played either of those games its hard to predict that they are going to be amazing. I think Rift is pretty amazing. It is a very good MMO on par with WOW and most would agree that WOW has been an amazing game in the past. I believe what Rift is going to prove is that its a long standing game that has a decent player base. It might even eventually be the MMO to play once it gets an expansion under its belt or even a few patches. I am excited to see where rift goes with up coming patches. The developers really seem to work hard on rift. Patches come out all the time. Another cool feature of rift is how loot is set up. Currently in Rift end game there are tier 1 and tier 2 expert mode version of all the instances in the game. Its cool because you have to gear up in one set of experts to be able to do the other set of experts. Once you have tier 2 and 200 focus you can start raiding. There are two different raid instances currently as well as raid rifts. One thing i find enjoyable about rift being a fan of playing a caster is that when you get a weapon as a caster in rift it feels like an upgrade. In wow you got a weapon and though noticeable, it never felt super significant instead you need several pieces of gear to really start seeing an improvement. In rift every weapon up grade i have got has been a big upgrade. Rift did this by making around 10-13 spell power on gear while having 300-500 spell power on the weapons. It makes a caster feel more like a melee in terms of WOW. WOW vs Rift. I mean who really cares. Rift is a really good game. It still has a long life ahead of it I believe and though it isnt quite as big as WOW yet someday it very well might be even bigger. Who knows. It seems like the server population are maintaining. Sure some people probably went back to playing WOW but there are also a lot that Rift is their game such as myself. I have been watching the E3 Star Wars Video and though it looks interest and I really want it to be an awesome game, It is going to be a lot more like WOW than people think. I know it is still in Beta but its graphics do not look as good as Rifts and the classes look was less diverse than Rift. They look to be about on par with WOW. Also the mount aka Speeders that you ride on need to be spiced up a bit. It looked pretty bland as the guy floated around on his speeder. The space fight to needs to be tuned up. It looked kind of clunky and not finished. It does not look like a flight sim more like a linear shooter. They say that they might change the space oombat in the future. But with that said, I have no played Star Wars and until i do it is hard to say it wont be amazing. It very well could be as well. Being a jedi is like every nerds fantasy and it certainly one of my nerdy ones. just because of the history of my love for Star Wars growing up with it as a kid, the setting in Star Wars is hands down the most interesting. Rift actually has a decent story itself i just have less familiarity with it. Well anyways if you are on the Fence i would give Rift a try. Dont listen to the people on here that say bad stuff about rift because probably a majority have not played it and if they have maybe they have not played it where they have experienced max level. Rift has a ton of potential
The thing is that Rift actually has a whole lot of potential, and the developers have actually been trying to add some content and fix some issues in the game. One day it actually could be better than WOW.fi6eka said:
The problem is that it's not even close right now, and the developers are looking like real douchebags by trying to brag about how they stole 600,000 players.
sry but since i first heard of rift all those guys do is compare themselves to wow. "oh look how much prettier our game than wow"
rift is just grabbing customers who are unhappy with wow but are looking for something else to play till tor comes out for star wars fanboys and GW2 for the rest.
rift is just grabbing customers who are unhappy with wow but are looking for something else to play till tor comes out for star wars fanboys and GW2 for the rest.
This is the sort of AD campaign I just can't get behind. Whether it's Mac vs PC or flavor of the month vs WoW. The antagonist usually just comes off like an asshole. What drives me nuts is that some people can't even recognize when it's happening. "lolz WoWcakes, we stole all ur subs." might just be the most mature thing I've ever heard said by a bunch of game developers I would assume would like to be taken seriously.
First of all they are way to late to catch that bandwagon to mediocrity, I'm pretty sure most people don't care about WoW anymore. WoW is. Whether or not it can continue to succeed or collapse under it's own weight is completely up to it. However I don't think any MMO trying to kill WoW has ever been so blatant about it.
Secondly, their game isn't great. It's good enough, but it doesn't do a thing I haven't seen a million times before. The rifts are exactly the same as Public Quests from Warhammer Online and while the Invasions may be new and exciting the first time, it gets old and tired by about the third time and annoying on the fourth time when all of the npc's are dead and nobody has taken care of this invasion thing yet. At that point it becomes a hindrance and in turn becomes a job. Because you need to get it taken care of before it gets in the way of everything else you are trying to do.
The soul system, for me personally, is just confusing. Maybe it is because I did play WoW for a while that I expected that you needed to go about it a certain way to get the most benefit out of it. When I ask a friend of mine he just says "Pick whatever souls you want and level whichever ones you want at random." So it's, "Okay, I pick three skill tree's and just level the one that I wanted initially anyway." Great, so what the hell was the point of that? Do they become more viable at later levels when you max out one tree? Well if that's the case why don't you give them to me then so I'm not confused as hell about it. I get no feeling of progression when I'm stuck at the bottom tier of three different skill tree's for thirty levels. For me, that's what an MMO is all about, that feeling of progression. Getting stronger, getting more powerful spells or more bad ass weapons or... You know what this is turning into a Rift review.
Point is, Trion needs to grow up and play off of it's own merits. WoW is pretty good. Maybe pretty old. I can safely say it's time for something new. So why doesn't Trion try putting something new out there before it starts opening it's mouth.
First of all they are way to late to catch that bandwagon to mediocrity, I'm pretty sure most people don't care about WoW anymore. WoW is. Whether or not it can continue to succeed or collapse under it's own weight is completely up to it. However I don't think any MMO trying to kill WoW has ever been so blatant about it.
Secondly, their game isn't great. It's good enough, but it doesn't do a thing I haven't seen a million times before. The rifts are exactly the same as Public Quests from Warhammer Online and while the Invasions may be new and exciting the first time, it gets old and tired by about the third time and annoying on the fourth time when all of the npc's are dead and nobody has taken care of this invasion thing yet. At that point it becomes a hindrance and in turn becomes a job. Because you need to get it taken care of before it gets in the way of everything else you are trying to do.
The soul system, for me personally, is just confusing. Maybe it is because I did play WoW for a while that I expected that you needed to go about it a certain way to get the most benefit out of it. When I ask a friend of mine he just says "Pick whatever souls you want and level whichever ones you want at random." So it's, "Okay, I pick three skill tree's and just level the one that I wanted initially anyway." Great, so what the hell was the point of that? Do they become more viable at later levels when you max out one tree? Well if that's the case why don't you give them to me then so I'm not confused as hell about it. I get no feeling of progression when I'm stuck at the bottom tier of three different skill tree's for thirty levels. For me, that's what an MMO is all about, that feeling of progression. Getting stronger, getting more powerful spells or more bad ass weapons or... You know what this is turning into a Rift review.
Point is, Trion needs to grow up and play off of it's own merits. WoW is pretty good. Maybe pretty old. I can safely say it's time for something new. So why doesn't Trion try putting something new out there before it starts opening it's mouth.