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"Look how tough I am" female characters.

Just to put up my flame-shield, I don't mean strong female characters, Samus, Rey, Anya (in Gears 3), Bayonetta (although she comes close), love' em.
[small]Look at that "I have a black friend" argument.[/small]
I'm talking about characters like Black Widow in Iron Man 2. That whole "Look how tough I am and how casual I am about it, YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE ME," didn't like it. Of course, her character developed over the course of a few movies, I think she's alright now but at the time, I couldn't stand her.
Like I said, got no problem with strong female characters, it's the ones that act like they have something to prove that bothers me.
 

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Extra-Ordinary said:
"Look how tough I am" female characters.

Just to put up my flame-shield, I don't mean strong female characters, Samus, Rey, Anya (in Gears 3), Bayonetta (although she comes close), love' em.
[small]Look at that "I have a black friend" argument.[/small]
I'm talking about characters like Black Widow in Iron Man 2. That whole "Look how tough I am and how casual I am about it, YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE ME," didn't like it. Of course, her character developed over the course of a few movies, I think she's alright now but at the time, I couldn't stand her.
Like I said, got no problem with strong female characters, it's the ones that act like they have something to prove that bothers me.
Yeah, the one's that show the show isn't sexist, because they have one woman to prove they aren't like all the other women.
 

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idiotic protagonists who win against evil geniouses through the power of not giving up. also alledged evil geniouses who decide the best way to beat a complete idiot with unparralleled fighting prowess is to face him/her in personal combat as opposed to using some sort of scheme or plot that said idiot would never be smart enough to avoid.
 

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My personal pet peeve is Heroes Prefer Swords [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeroesPreferSwords].

Look, I get it, swords are cool, but aren't people tired of main characters/protagonists, wielding this weapon? There are countless melee weapons of choice a Hero can use: mace, hammer, flail, staff, pole, axe, saws and chainsaws, brass knuckles, claws, spear, the list can go on and on. Heck, even shield can be used as a weapon (Thank you, Cap).
This is actually one thing I really liked about Suikoden and Suikoden II. The main characters of each used a staff and tonfa respectively.


It was actually refreshing to see heroes that didn't use swords.

Anyway, I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet, but I'm getting tired of "Dads are dumb" or Bumbling Dad [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BumblingDad]. Yeah, I get that it is intended to subvert the whole "father is always right" things earlier shows had going. But, now, every dad in shows is portrayed as a immature, fat, lazy, idiot with an incredibly understanding wife. I'm just getting tired of this trope. Can we have a dad in a show that isn't completely terrible? Who is at least a little competent? Maybe loves their kids?
 

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GestaltEsper said:
Demons are good, Angels/God are evil. The Corrupt Church. Humans are the Real Monsters.

I'm sure it was fine at first, and there are still series that manage those tropes well, but at this point I can't help but feel like it's gotten old.
This one. For some reason it's mostly Asian games that do this, with some form of a corrupt catholic church (of the top of my head: Black Desert & Devil May Cry). I get it, you need a morally ambiguous super-institution, but you don't want to go for capitalists of fascists, but there's gotta be more of "the man" you can tackle, right?
When were there evil angels in Devil May Cry?
 

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MythicMatt said:
I'm personally tired of Everyone is Jesus in Purgatory. Guys, the curtains aren't red because I feel like I have a bloodstained soul, I just like red.

I'm also sick of dragons being this force of evil that overshadows everything. When do we get a story following a heroic dragon?

Lastly, Evil Albinos. Why can't they be heroic or neutral at the very least?
Pretty sure we've had heroic dragons before. Spyro, Jane and The Dragon, How To Train Your Dragon etc

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Evil is always stronger

If there is a good and evil side of a power or if there are classes mirrored on both sides, the evil side will always have a stronger skill set.
This I agree with. Another is how evil seems to have access to OP abilities. An example is the villains' abilities to claim souls in Mortal Kombat.
 

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Bums. Too many bums. It's starting to bum me out. Everyone's gotta have a bum. That's no fun! Get rid of the bum, replace with rum and then one starts to feel slightly less glum. It's always woman bum too. Man bum not good enough to arouse? Well fine! I'll take my bum elsewhere then!
 

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Agent_Z said:
There's never enough though! Every 1 good dragon, there's over 5000 evil ones. And there's a severe lack of games where being a dragon [or even a draconic humanoid] is an option.
 

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Another for me; Earth is the center of the universe and humans are special. A lot of writers are really arrogant about how important our pathetic little blue marble is to the universe.


Extra-Ordinary said:
"Look how tough I am" female characters.

Just to put up my flame-shield, I don't mean strong female characters, Samus, Rey, Anya (in Gears 3), Bayonetta (although she comes close), love' em.
[small]Look at that "I have a black friend" argument.[/small]
I'm talking about characters like Black Widow in Iron Man 2. That whole "Look how tough I am and how casual I am about it, YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE ME," didn't like it. Of course, her character developed over the course of a few movies, I think she's alright now but at the time, I couldn't stand her.
Like I said, got no problem with strong female characters, it's the ones that act like they have something to prove that bothers me.
I never got the feeling Widow was trying to prove something to somebody. That always seemed to be Stark's thing. Like IM2 is him literally going through a bucket list because he thinks he's dying. IM3 has him go on tv to challenge the villain to a face to face fight even giving his address to his home that shares with his girlfriend.
 

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since few people probably saw or remember Bulletproof Monk, though it's one of my favorite action movies.
Your what? Bulletproof Monk? You are the first and probably the last person to ever say that unless it was literally the first action movie they saw after an Uwe Boll marathon.

OT: "Sassy Black Woman" is just cringeworthy. Similarly "The Rodriguez", though that's more of a "meh, another one of these".
 

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Only the Youth Can Save Us!

... This. This is probably something a lot of people overlook but once you think about it- you'd wish you were oblivious instead. I noticed in a lot of TV shows, movies, comic books, anime (especially in anime / manga), the younger generation is always surpassing everyone and saving the day against all odds. I get it, the youth can be useful and possibly get crap done but when your protagonist is at the age of 16 and capable of beating the almighty big bad whom enslaved humanity / threatening to wipe out humanity, it's unbearably silly.

I mean think about the cast in that horrible Fantastic 4 movie that came out recently, why are these young teens allowed in top agencies / government labs for? The fact they're ALL younger than 25 made me roll my eyes ... the movie blew as well so there's that.
*Siiiiigh* Yeah, I agree. I'd really like to see a JRPG, where the youngest party member is in mid-twenties, or a modern anime where world-savers are older than 17 or at the very least LOOK older (thank you for that, JJBA). I mean, I am sure there ARE series like this, but they are too rare.

This probably has to do with the fact that japanese adults don't just don't have time to play games/watch anime and authors/developers have to do product for teens.
 

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"Oh, good and evil are just a construct of society. Freedom from inhibitions is the best way for us to survive."

Not that I mind a moral grey area, I really do. It's just that at least 75% of the time it's followed up by:

"Oh, would you like to buy some of these underage abused sex slaves? Freshly kidnapped from the church and groomed to do your bidding, and they respond particularly well to torture."

You are not above good and evil when you're being blatantly pants-shittingly evil.
 

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MythicMatt said:
Agent_Z said:
There's never enough though! Every 1 good dragon, there's over 5000 evil ones. And there's a severe lack of games where being a dragon [or even a draconic humanoid] is an option.
Personally, I'd rather just see this game [http://jayisgames.com/review/how-to-raise-a-dragon.php] but much much longer and deeper in scope. I've never seen any game that does playing as a Dragon or any other monster (another thing that is pretty rare) that well, but it doesn't have the length needed to truly deliver on the experience of being a Dragon.

OT: Oh boy... the question isn't where to begin here but where to STOP. A lot of tropes are really cliched, annoying, and have no reason to exist beyond just lazy writing but I'll try to not go off on this for TOO long.

Idiot Ball [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IdiotBall]

Idiot Plot [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IdiotPlot]

Too Dumb To Live [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TooDumbToLive]

Forgot About His Powers [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ForgotAboutHisPowers?from=Main.PlotInducedStupidity]

Etc. Basically any of the stupidity tropes should just die already, it's never been anything other than lazy writing. Writers, if you need characters to be really really stupid, incompetent, and refuse to do pathetically obvious things just so your plot can work, you are among the worst writers ever, particularly if you do this to characters that have shown they are usually more than intelligent enough to avoid doing stupid crap just to move the plot along. At the very least make sure you've made the characters responsible for the occurrence of these tropes already generally stupid enough to make it believable that they would do things like this like the comic relief. A threat also isn't particularly threatening

Speaking of the comic relief, I really hate it when they have "funny" characters whose entire purpose is to do stupid crap and be as incompetent as possible for cheap laughs. It's fine if there is a comedic character, but they have to be USEFUL rather than detrimental to the cast as least a good amount of the time whether they work for the protagonists or the antagonists or they will just be annoying rather than actually funny. For example, people didn't hate Jar Jar because he was comedic, they hated him because he was a useless load of a character [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLoad] that only made things worse and never contributed to anything, Jar Jar could not have existed and it wouldn't have changed Episode 1 much at all, not being generally funny anyway didn't help either. C3PO was also comedic but much better received because he was actually funny sometimes but he also had the vital role of translator for most of the characters in the Original trilogy that didn't already speak english and thus actually had a reason to exist. The only time this kind of character is even remotely acceptable is in a series that comedic as a whole, and even then they have to genuinely be FUNNY or the character will just drag everything else down.

Last one: Always Chaotic Evil, [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AlwaysChaoticEvil] Always Lawful Good, [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AlwaysLawfulGood] or any other trope that locks an entire culture, race, or species into a particularly morality or characteristic, Planet Of Hats [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlanetOfHats] is another example. These tropes are more lazy writing, forcing an entire group to conform to one morality and/or characteristic means that the writer does not have to make any attempt to give that group characterization or worse give them all the exact same characterization. I have always hated the idea of any group that shows very clear indications of sentience being just carbon copies of one another and my tolerance for this has gone down and ability to notice creatures that should apply as sentience has gone up quite a bit lately. I get it writers, you need cannon fodder for the protagonists to go up against, but part of being sentient is the capability to think, say, and do things beyond one's base instincts, for good or ill. If you are going to do this sort of thing, at least make an EFFORT that these "people" for lack of a better word have had good reason to have actually chosen or be forced into whatever bubble you've chosen for them, instead of just "these guys are all X" and that's it. Preferably even if only as outliers there should always be at least one or 2 characters who don't conform to the rest of the group, even ones who are on the side of the protagonists or antagonists whichever is the opposite of the way the default goes.
 

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People think these guys are gay but they're not gay! That's the entire joke, people think someone is gay but they aren't, har, har. Looking at you Moffat. Also Supernatural. And it isn't a one off thing for these shows either, they do it again and again. It wasn't funny the first time you did it, it isn't funny the eight time.
 

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Agent_Z said:
freaper said:
GestaltEsper said:
Demons are good, Angels/God are evil. The Corrupt Church. Humans are the Real Monsters.

I'm sure it was fine at first, and there are still series that manage those tropes well, but at this point I can't help but feel like it's gotten old.
This one. For some reason it's mostly Asian games that do this, with some form of a corrupt catholic church (of the top of my head: Black Desert & Devil May Cry). I get it, you need a morally ambiguous super-institution, but you don't want to go for capitalists of fascists, but there's gotta be more of "the man" you can tackle, right?
When were there evil angels in Devil May Cry?
In DMC4 the imagery was pretty close to Christian angels, plus the winged knights looked a lot like archangels.
 

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This is more of a design trope than a story trope, but it's one that I'm getting increasingly sick of.

Futuristic interfaces that looks like this
http://il8.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/8508967/thumb/1.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7c/e5/82/7ce582b75764a9bd845fee147d0be55e.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wvkikkRm-_Q/maxresdefault.jpg
http://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-vector-abstract-future-concept-vector-futuristic-blue-virtual-graphic-touch-user-interface-hud-for-web-251223427.jpg

I'm so tired of this idea that in the future every interface will be in shades of blue, and contain the same hideous design motif. It's gone beyond cliche and started to become obnoxious. It could be a lethal drinking game; buy some bottles of alcohol and watch/play some sci-fi media.


Take a shot every time you see an interface that is entirely in shades of either blue or green, or has so little other color as to be basically negligible.
Take a shot every time you see a completely random graph shoved in for the sake of it.
Take a shot every time you see a complicated looking readout of statistics without any clear or justified purpose.
Take a shot every time you see "future" typefaces; either courier (to evoke source code), angular text, dot matrix text, and take two shots if you're unfortunate enough to see "LCD text" on any screen that has the capacity to display proper text.
Take a shot every time you see faux source code on anything that isn't some kind of IDE or other programming environment. Take an additional shot if this faux source code speeds past at a rate that no one could possibly read (does not include actual output into a command-line environment, only when it's designed to look like source code (indentation, curly braces, etc)).
Take a shot every time you see concentric disks broken up into sectors, intended to convey some kind of information.
Take a shot every time you see a hexagonal design motif, because hexagons are the most futuristic of all shapes. Take an additional shot if the floors, carpet, or any other architecture have hexagonal designs, and yet another if any of the uniforms or equipment have hexagonal designs. Because fuck you and your liver, that's why.
Take a shot every time you see lines that end with circles; lines that travel perfectly straight, take a sudden change in angle, then travel parallel to the initial trajectory; or any other design element intended to evoke the look of a motherboard.
Take a shot every time you see a video or voice recording that is accompanied by an oscilloscope, because, of course, in the future everyone is just that smart that a read out of the sound waves is totally relevant at all times, to all people.
Take a shot every time you see an interface element that is 3D styled but on a 2D screen (does not include instances where the 3D would be required to convey additional information, such as a 3D map).
Take a shot every time you see a 3D model in wire frame mode.
When identifying a person or creature, take a shot if a 3D representation of a DNA strand appears.
Take a shot every time you see a border, divider, or some other interface element that is of that angular, beveled style.
Take a shot every time you see a background that is a grid, despite there being nothing for this grid to actually denote.
Take a shot every time you see an interface element filled with the angular lines pattern (at first I thought this was too general to add, but it seems overused enough to fit right in.)
And finally, weep with despair at the drunken mess you've become, and take one final, liver destroying shot as you try to comprehend even one adequate reason why every fucking interface has a map of the entire globe on it even if it's just a desktop!


Now, I'm not saying all of these elements are inherently bad, and there are legitimate reasons for each element to exist in certain contexts, but so much of it is just thrown in there to make it look more "futuristic" in the most generic way possible.
 

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McElroy said:
Happyninja42 said:
since few people probably saw or remember Bulletproof Monk, though it's one of my favorite action movies.
Your what? Bulletproof Monk? You are the first and probably the last person to ever say that unless it was literally the first action movie they saw after an Uwe Boll marathon.

OT: "Sassy Black Woman" is just cringeworthy. Similarly "The Rodriguez", though that's more of a "meh, another one of these".
I've had more fun and enjoyment watching that action movie than most others that are made, so it's one of my favorite. Amazing how people can have varying opinions on things.
 

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I personally hate the Chainmail Bikini [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChainmailBikini] trope. It's so fucking dumb. So, you're suppoused to be more protected by plate armor that doesn't cover your entire body than a chainmail that does? Fuck off.
Also, I generally detest huge-ass fucking swords [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChainmailBikini] that are way larger than reasonable. Claymore? Ok. Zweihander? Fair enough. Nodachi [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%8Cdachi]? That's a little bit pushing it. A sword so large that it would be impossible for anyone to swing it unless they could bench press a ton? Nope.
In shooters I hate the arbitrary gun power [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArbitraryGunPower] trope. Yeah, man, a Desert Eagle (grrrrrrrrrrrr) kills you in 1 shot but a .50 cal bullet from a heavy machinegun kills you in 3? Again, yourself, go fuck it.
 

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They've Turned Against Their Masters! [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TurnedAgainstTheirMasters] God, I'm tired of this one.

In the Battlestar Galactica reboot, humans built robots...and they rebelled.

In the Terminator Series, humans built AI...and it rebelled.

In Ex Machina, Apocalypse built a hot robot...and she rebelled.

I get it. This is a allegorical warning about messing with things that we don't understand. But after hundreds of years of stories like (from Mary Shelley's Frankenstein) and beyond, you'd think that someone would design a kill switch (literal or figurative) into their creations as a precaution.
Mass Effect: Not-humans built AIs... and they rebelled. Humans built an AI... and she rebelled. Giant Space-Squids built an AI... and it rebelled.

Oh gods... They're everywhere...

Also, fuck Mary Shelley, Frankstein, and the monster. I hate that anti-science, fear-mongering crap.
It's been a long time since I read Frankenstein, but wasn't the monster not created evil and just wound up that way by Victor's abandonment of him and the way other people reacted to him? Unless I'm massively remembering I thought it was a parable of exactly what fear-mongering could cause rather than being anti-progress.

Like I said it's been over a decade though so if I've got it wrong correct me.