Tsunami "payback" for Pearl Harbour

[Shycte]

lol americans.

Seriously though, there is something very wrong with that.

 

[fates_puppet13]

i think america got their pay back for peal harbour by taking a few japanese islands in the pacific war
which is the war america was in during the ww2 period
if anything there should be payback on america for dropping the most powerful class of weapon to date, which is now a warcrimwe to use, on 2 civilian occupied city

these people let america down
americans rent rightwing self rightious gun nuts
but they reinforce that stereotype

 

[Lokithrsourcerer]

at the end of the day the anonymity that the internet provides will always make it a breeding ground for the ignorant and the bigoted.

 

[IvoryTowerGamer]

Stop talking about the nukes like they were payback. Go read some history, I know it sounds contraversial but the nukes saved lives overall (Go do some research into the predicted casualty figures if the states had invaded japan + the measures the japanese government was taking in preparation for that eventuallity. Once you know at least half as much as I do, troll away) I know it was horrible but on some levels it was jutified. (I dont hate the Japanese. And I am British, just throwin that out there, not some gun-toting american patriot).

As someone who has studied this a good amount, the current idea is that the Japanese war machine was already on the verge of collapse by the time of Hiroshima/Nagasaki. The "the A-bomb actually saved lives" argument is typically found in older texts that came out within the first decades after the end of war.

 

[Ungenericteen]

Dude...people are assholes and besides...weren't the NUKES payback?

I think so......

 

[Gothproxy]

Can't understand how ignorant many people are. 1st-I think entering WWII and whipping the Japanese back to the Edo period was revenge for Pearl Harbor enough. And 2nd- Oh yeah, we can control earthquakes now and tsunamis on top of that. Sure. How about, with all that great technology we supposedly have, we come up with a way for Republicans and Democrats to GROW UP (like the people who say stupid things about tsunamis need to)

 

[Bran1470]

i thought that dropping 2 nukes on their major citys was enough payback :/
people are so ignorant.

 

[Drakulea]

Stop talking about the nukes like they were payback. Go read some history, I know it sounds contraversial but the nukes saved lives overall (Go do some research into the predicted casualty figures if the states had invaded japan + the measures the japanese government was taking in preparation for that eventuallity. Once you know at least half as much as I do, troll away) I know it was horrible but on some levels it was jutified. (I dont hate the Japanese. And I am British, just throwin that out there, not some gun-toting american patriot).

As someone who has studied this a good amount, the current idea is that the Japanese war machine was already on the verge of collapse by the time of Hiroshima/Nagasaki. The "the A-bomb actually saved lives" argument is typically found in older texts that came out within the first decades after the end of war.

Wrote a 4,000 word essay on the subject and I still believe that it saved lives. On some level.

Plus there is the whole question of the Soviets. Then again, this particular branch of history (What If) history is a bit pointless on many levels. They were dropped, they ended the war, they might have saved lives, they might not have, more people died in the firebombing of Tokyo then in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined, concentrating only on the atomic bombs makes people ignore the carpet bombing of other civilian areas.

I still believe that an American land invasion would have ended incredibly badly for both sides, mainly the japanese. And that the bombs shortened the war.

I guess I have just aruged for and against my own point. I guess what I am trying to say is the atomic bombs were not as bad as people seem to think, casualty wise (Whilst still being horrific) and it is a fact that the dropping of said bombs caused the Japanese to surrender.

What would you say to atomic bombs being dropped on your home town since they "were not as bad as people seem to think"? Have your parents turned into little more than silhouettes irradiated into walls?

People like you are the reason why history repeats itself.

"So the USA carried out atomic terrorism ( i.e. deliberate murder of civilians and non-combatants to achieve political ends ). Big deal."

Yes, it IS a big deal. The USA is the only nation on Earth that used nukes, for all its Holier Than Thou posturing. And it used those nukes on a nation that was defeated and that, moreover, sought terms of surrender!.

I don't know what the hell you wrote in your 4,000-long war crime apologia, but it's all a bunch of ultra-nationalist crap.

Tell me,were you aware of this?

"The consensus among scholars is that the bomb was not needed to avoid an invasion of Japan and to end the war within a relatively short time. It is clear that alternatives to the bomb existed and that Truman and his advisers knew it."

J. Samuel Walker, "The Decision to Use the Bomb: A Historiographical Update," Diplomatic History, Vol. 14, No. 1 (Winter 1990), pp. 97-114. (Quoted in Gar Alperovitz, The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb and the Architecture of an American Myth, New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1995,)

You might want to check out those books, lest your brains explode from the realization that your fascistoid "USA is sinless" dogma is pure crap.

Remember, this is the USA. The nation which jailed Japanese citizens for the CRIME of being Japanese . ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment ) ( yes, it's a well-sourced article if you bother to look )

And the Americans have the GALL to preach to others about democracy,freedom and tolerance.

It's people like you that encourage, tolerate and then minimize the Einzatsgruppen-like rampages of American Warriors of Freedom (pah), the Mai Lais, the Hadithas and the FOB Ramrod kill teams.

 

[Lord_Nemesis]

Wow... whoever thos people are, not really helping the fight against the American stereotype are they? Turd munchers, like the two nukes they dropped didn't get revenge like 10 fold?

 

[RocksW]

I was hoping that was the OPs point of view so I could give out to him :/ I think these people are taking the piss and being like... super ironic to get a response. You cant go about your day to day life being that stupid without someone calling you out on it, then going home and crying and whatever because you're so poisonous and loathsome and nobody likes you. Maybe. But I dunno.

 

[Rattler5150]

Get your history correct, The pearl harbor attack was a military attack because we were blockading their oil fields in southeast asia

 

[IvoryTowerGamer]

Wrote a 4,000 word essay on the subject and I still believe that it saved lives. On some level.

Plus there is the whole question of the Soviets. Then again, this particular branch of history (What If) history is a bit pointless on many levels. They were dropped, they ended the war, they might have saved lives, they might not have, more people died in the firebombing of Tokyo then in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined, concentrating only on the atomic bombs makes people ignore the carpet bombing of other civilian areas.

I still believe that an American land invasion would have ended incredibly badly for both sides, mainly the japanese. And that the bombs shortened the war.

I guess I have just aruged for and against my own point. I guess what I am trying to say is the atomic bombs were not as bad as people seem to think, casualty wise (Whilst still being horrific) and it is a fact that the dropping of said bombs caused the Japanese to surrender.

Yes, you are right about the firebombing vs atomic casualties. That's actually part of the argument that Japan was already on the verge of collapse before the US dropped the bomb.

Would you mind sending me a pm with the essay? I'd really like to read it. Even though your right about these "what if" kinds of questions, they can still be valuable in other ways.

 

[Arizona Kyle]

Dude...people are assholes and besides...weren't the NUKES payback?

No the nukes were a "IOU"

and agreed people are assholes

 

[T8B95]

Stop talking about the nukes like they were payback. Go read some history, I know it sounds contraversial but the nukes saved lives overall (Go do some research into the predicted casualty figures if the states had invaded japan + the measures the japanese government was taking in preparation for that eventuallity. Once you know at least half as much as I do, troll away) I know it was horrible but on some levels it was jutified. (I dont hate the Japanese. And I am British, just throwin that out there, not some gun-toting american patriot).

As someone who has studied this a good amount, the current idea is that the Japanese war machine was already on the verge of collapse by the time of Hiroshima/Nagasaki. The "the A-bomb actually saved lives" argument is typically found in older texts that came out within the first decades after the end of war.

Wrote a 4,000 word essay on the subject and I still believe that it saved lives. On some level.

Plus there is the whole question of the Soviets. Then again, this particular branch of history (What If) history is a bit pointless on many levels. They were dropped, they ended the war, they might have saved lives, they might not have, more people died in the firebombing of Tokyo then in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined, concentrating only on the atomic bombs makes people ignore the carpet bombing of other civilian areas.

I still believe that an American land invasion would have ended incredibly badly for both sides, mainly the japanese. And that the bombs shortened the war.

I guess I have just aruged for and against my own point. I guess what I am trying to say is the atomic bombs were not as bad as people seem to think, casualty wise (Whilst still being horrific) and it is a fact that the dropping of said bombs caused the Japanese to surrender.

What would you say to atomic bombs being dropped on your home town since they "were not as bad as people seem to think"? Have your parents turned into little more than silhouettes irradiated into walls?

People like you are the reason why history repeats itself.

"So the USA carried out atomic terrorism ( i.e. deliberate murder of civilians and non-combatants to achieve political ends ). Big deal."

Yes, it IS a big deal. The USA is the only nation on Earth that used nukes, for all its Holier Than Thou posturing. And it used those nukes on a nation that was defeated and that, moreover, sought terms of surrender!.

I don't know what the hell you wrote in your 4,000-long war crime apologia, but it's all a bunch of ultra-nationalist crap.

Tell me,were you aware of this?

"The consensus among scholars is that the bomb was not needed to avoid an invasion of Japan and to end the war within a relatively short time. It is clear that alternatives to the bomb existed and that Truman and his advisers knew it."

J. Samuel Walker, "The Decision to Use the Bomb: A Historiographical Update," Diplomatic History, Vol. 14, No. 1 (Winter 1990), pp. 97-114. (Quoted in Gar Alperovitz, The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb and the Architecture of an American Myth, New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1995,)

You might want to check out those books, lest your brains explode from the realization that your fascistoid "USA is sinless" dogma is pure crap.

Remember, this is the USA. The nation which jailed Japanese citizens for the CRIME of being Japanese . ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment ) ( yes, it's a well-sourced article if you bother to look )

And the Americans have the GALL to preach to others about democracy,freedom and tolerance.

It's people like you that encourage, tolerate and then minimize the Einzatsgruppen-like rampages of American Warriors of Freedom (pah), the Mai Lais, the Hadithas and the FOB Ramrod kill teams.

I like you, Drakulea. You seem to have a bit of sense in your head.

I find it funny (actually I don`t, it`s hypocrisy on the most basic level) that the US condemns any use of nuclear power by their so-called enemies (read: China, North Korea, etc.) and the US is the only country to have launched a nuclear attack on a country.

The nuke was a bully-boy tactic, and I want to point out again that the Americans were blatantly ignoring all attempts for the Japonese to surrender. More people died in Hiroshima than a fair-sized Nazi concentration camp. It`s just wrong.

OT: Anything I`m going to say has been said before, but I`ll get my two cents in anyway. People who cheer on a natural disaster to get so-called payback for something that happened 70 years ago are cunts. May they burn in hell for eternity.

 

[Mr. Google]

Dude...people are assholes and besides...weren't the NUKES payback?

Yeah we can close the thread now. Thats all people need to remember.

 

[Lilani]

"Payback" doesn't matter at this point at all. All but the very few and very elderly veterans of WWII had absolutely nothing to do with Pearl Harbor--and it would still be unfair to punish them now for something that happened 70 years ago. It is apathetically misanthropic beyond the point of cruelty to say that these people deserve what happened to them. It is a tragedy no matter how you look at it, and with the current situations at their nuclear plants it is threatening to become a global tragedy as I write this.

Anyone who wishes total, widespread devastation and tragedy like this upon another--no matter the reason--had better hope and pray that God Almighty can muster up more mercy than their cold and jaded hearts.