Tucker Carlson: Vick 'should have been 'executed'

[brodie21]

While I can easily agree with the sentiment expressed by Carlson I am also of the opinion that Vick should be allowed to reform himself. Does he deserve a second chance? Probably not but he has received one and the ball is in his hands now so to speak. Should people who help others get a second chance be praised? In general, yes but I severely doubt the owner/s and coaches of the Eagles were thinking about Vick's reformation when they signed him.

On the other hand the NFL should not allow him to be eligible for the Pro Bowl until he has shown himself to be provably reformed and a good role model. It is sad that professional athletes are put in the position of role models but since they are the NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB and NASCAR should hold them to a much higher standard of conduct.

but should athletes be in the position of role models? the athletes are paid to be athletes, and in that respect is it any wonder that the eagles signed him? should we look at athletes for what they do on the field or off of it? can anything good come of observing anybody for extended periods of time? im sure if i followed you around i would find some things others would find objectionable. granted, you may not have something of that magnitude in your basement, but still.

 

[Jerious1154]

First of all, executing a human because he killed dogs makes no sense at all.

Second of all, the whole point of prison is that you go there after you do something bad, and that it either reforms you or scares you so that you don't do something bad again. Even if you don't buy that Michael Vick is a changed man, I am reasonably confident that his time in prison served its purpose in this respect.

Third of all, Tucker Carlson is the second biggest douchebag on television behind only Sean Hannity, the man he was sitting in for. The idea that he has the moral authority to call for the death of another man is ridiculous. I mean, seriously, who does that?

 

[Jamboxdotcom]

While I do believe animal cruelty should be punished I still fucking hate people who value the lives of animals over the lives of people. Backwards thinking morons. The guys already paid his time drop it you bloody minded, militant, PETA wannabes

Why is dog fighting illegal, again? Dogs don't vote and pay taxes, and I think it's a damn shame that we waste all this time and money to make sure that no one's mean to them. It's more of this nonsense of people trying to force their own self-righteous beliefs down other peoples' throats. To suggest that a man ought to be executed, or even serve 18 months in prison for being cruel to dogs is ridiculous, for it is nobody's business but the man's. If you don't like the idea of dog fights, don't make your dogs fight, don't go to dog fights, and let the people who think disagree do their own thing. But hey, that's just my take on it.

Isnt this exactly the argument people used to justify the keeping of slaves?. They dont vote or pay taxes, its not like they are people or anything

The difference here being slaves ARE people while, you know, dogs aren't. Thats a really stupid rebuttal.

actually, it's not a stupid rebuttal. the point he was making is "just because something isn't human (or percieved as human) is not to say that we should just do whatever the hell we want to it."

don't get me wrong, i despise PETA with a passion, and i think the people asking for Vick's head on a platter are total assholes. but i also disagree with cruelty to animals, and what Vick did WAS cruelty. they were killing animals for no other reason than their own entertainment. if someone is killing an animal for food, clothing, self-defense, or even science, at least the animal is dying for a reason. entertainment by itself is not a good enough reason.

to clearly state my position on Vick: i think he got off WAY too light, but he in no way deserved death.

 

[Vault boy Eddie]

At first when I had heard of the whole dogfighting thing I would have agreed. But no, execution is a bit too much. On the other hand, he's said that he wants to have dogs again, and to that I say FUCK NO! If he wants to have dogs, what he should do is open up animal shelters, that way he can have all the dogs he wants, just not touch them. I mean, it's not the same but, what would you say to a rapist after he got out of jail and he said he wanted to have sex with a woman?

 

[Brutal Peanut]

I highly doubt he should be executed. But he shouldn't be able to continue
living like a King after what he did. He's a monster. He's a spoiled
celebrity monster who thought he could get away with whatever he wanted,
and we fucking proved him right. The, "Oh it's okay Vick , just go back to
your slaughter mansion and keep living like royalty, you pesky rascal!"

The fact that people are siding with him, just for American footballs sake,
is scary.

I'm tired of the way people treat celebrities. As if they don't know what they
are doing. As if they don't know the real difference between right and wrong,
and that they shouldn't be punished too harshly as if they were fragile little
children.

 

[Pipotchi]

While I do believe animal cruelty should be punished I still fucking hate people who value the lives of animals over the lives of people. Backwards thinking morons. The guys already paid his time drop it you bloody minded, militant, PETA wannabes

Why is dog fighting illegal, again? Dogs don't vote and pay taxes, and I think it's a damn shame that we waste all this time and money to make sure that no one's mean to them. It's more of this nonsense of people trying to force their own self-righteous beliefs down other peoples' throats. To suggest that a man ought to be executed, or even serve 18 months in prison for being cruel to dogs is ridiculous, for it is nobody's business but the man's. If you don't like the idea of dog fights, don't make your dogs fight, don't go to dog fights, and let the people who think disagree do their own thing. But hey, that's just my take on it.

Isnt this exactly the argument people used to justify the keeping of slaves?. They dont vote or pay taxes, its not like they are people or anything

The difference here being slaves ARE people while, you know, dogs aren't. Thats a really stupid rebuttal.

No the difference here is the Original posters viewpoint that hurting "lesser beings" is okay as long as it doesnt impact on others. Hence the similarity in arguement between animal cruelty and slavery. I didnt say they were the same, just that the justification was similar.

I advise against jumping to conclusions that fit in with your world view so readily

 

[Pipotchi]

While I do believe animal cruelty should be punished I still fucking hate people who value the lives of animals over the lives of people. Backwards thinking morons. The guys already paid his time drop it you bloody minded, militant, PETA wannabes

Why is dog fighting illegal, again? Dogs don't vote and pay taxes, and I think it's a damn shame that we waste all this time and money to make sure that no one's mean to them. It's more of this nonsense of people trying to force their own self-righteous beliefs down other peoples' throats. To suggest that a man ought to be executed, or even serve 18 months in prison for being cruel to dogs is ridiculous, for it is nobody's business but the man's. If you don't like the idea of dog fights, don't make your dogs fight, don't go to dog fights, and let the people who think disagree do their own thing. But hey, that's just my take on it.

Isnt this exactly the argument people used to justify the keeping of slaves?. They dont vote or pay taxes, its not like they are people or anything

The difference here being slaves ARE people while, you know, dogs aren't. Thats a really stupid rebuttal.

actually, it's not a stupid rebuttal. the point he was making is "just because something isn't human (or percieved as human) is not to say that we should just do whatever the hell we want to it."

don't get me wrong, i despise PETA with a passion, and i think the people asking for Vick's head on a platter are total assholes. but i also disagree with cruelty to animals, and what Vick did WAS cruelty. they were killing animals for no other reason than their own entertainment. if someone is killing an animal for food, clothing, self-defense, or even science, at least the animal is dying for a reason. entertainment by itself is not a good enough reason.

to clearly state my position on Vick: i think he got off WAY too light, but he in no way deserved death.

Why thank you kind sir, you defended my position most eloquently,

Getting back to the Original point whlist I find his actions reprehensible, he has paid his dues and now should be allowed to try to rebuild his career shouldnt he? The whole notion of prison is supposed to be rehabilitation as well as incarceration. If he can now act as a responsible member of society then good luck to him

*Apologies for Double post

 

[Xojins]

"Vick should have been executed" - What a stupid thing to say. Makes sense it would come from a Fox News analyst.

 

[Amethyst Wind]

the scariest thing for me here is that a FAUX NUs pundit is basically on the same side as PETA. what's the world coming to?

Well PETA hasn't exactly been rational since they started throwing blood on people and highjacking fur shipments. That is not peaceful protesting.

 

[rockyoumonkeys]

Shame on anyone who takes Tucker Carlson seriously. Guy's a complete idiot.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

Sure we should execute Vick. So long as we also execute everyone who slaughter's animals. Hell, a guy I know has delivered the final embrace of death to more than 100,000 cattle and it doesn't always go smoothly.

 

[Screamarie]

i think denis leary had the best idea, strap 200lbs worth of meat onto vick and let him run through a caged football field chased by abused dogs

I have to agree. I don't know if he should be executed or not,it's a very hard moral choice...but what I do know is that people like that do not change.

Also, he should NEVER have a dog again. A man that can do that can't just suddenly change and say "I'm an animal lover! The ASPCA are my best friends!" Think about it, a woman goes back to an abusive boyfriend because he says he's "changed" and yet, when he starts hitting her again, no one is surprised.

 

[tomtom94]

Little harsh I think - death penalty only for the most extreme of crimes - HOWEVER the point about punishing celebrities for their crimes should stand - the sentences they are given are usually a joke, but to make it worse they frequently always get out of jail early / get the fine reduced.
They are the ones in the public consciousness and if they get away with it people will assume they can too.

 

[Jamboxdotcom]

the scariest thing for me here is that a FAUX NUs pundit is basically on the same side as PETA. what's the world coming to?

Well PETA hasn't exactly been rational since they started throwing blood on people and highjacking fur shipments. That is not peaceful protesting.

no, no, you misunderstand me. i have always detested both PETA and FAUX. but who ever imagines right-wingers (especially radical right-wingers) supporting PETA, a group traditionally so radically left-wing that most left-wingers can't stand them? it would be like Glenn Beck deciding he's in love with the NAACP or the Southern Poverty Law Center.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

When I read this title I was thinking about Tucker from Red vs Blue saying that Vic the operating guy should have died.

Then I read the article. Messed up.

 

[MrJohnson]

Maybe someone should abuse, starve, and cage Michael Vick for a while and let him out only to fight UFC fighters. People like him never change. He'll do the same shit all over again once the public view is off of him.

 

[SantoUno]

Carlson, a conservative commentator, was angry that Obama told Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie he believes people who have paid for their crimes should have the opportunity to contribute to society again.

``But the idea that the President of the United States would be getting behind someone who murdered dogs (is) kind of beyond the pale,'' he said.

Vick, who saw his first dogfight as a 7-year-old, has revived his career and is taking steps to rebuild his image. He spends time on his off days working with the Humane Society of the United States and speaking to school and community groups about the cruelty of dogfighting. He has said he'd never be able to completely forget the horrific acts he witnessed and committed.

He made headlines recently when he said he genuinely cares about animals and would like to have a dog for a pet. Vick said his kids ask him every day for a dog and wants to adopt one for his family.

It won't happen soon. Under the terms of his probation, which ends in May 2012, he cannot own dogs during that time.

Carlson called Vick ``some creepy rich overpaid football player'' and used his platform to take a dig at Obama.

``He went to jail for two years. I mean, whatever,'' Carlson said. ``I think the president should be quiet on this one.''

what do you guys think about this?

Ha, what a fool. How can anyone take this man seriously when he wishes the death penalty on someone who apologized and is working to redeem himself?

Even more retarded is the fact that he is criticizing Obama for giving someone a second chance.

 

[saxist01]

I mean, it's not the same but, what would you say to a rapist after he got out of jail and he said he wanted to have sex with a woman?

As long as the woman is willing, of course he should be able to.

 

[Kryzantine]

I think it's dumber that half the people in this thread still feel that Vick deserves another cruel punishment himself. One thing is, Vick didn't go out there and choke dogs to death or even personally order them to their deaths, he simply financed the operation and made it possible. It's no different than a general ordering men to their deaths from a command post far away. He never sees it, so he doesn't have a conscience about it.

And the other thing is that some athletes are inherently troubled, especially when they come from poor backgrounds. They don't have the money management mentality and they don't turn into shining beacons of virtue overnight. Vick is not new to the sports world. Take Ricky Williams, who has a ton of talent and for a long time, absolutely no desire for professionalism. Marshawn Lynch, same problem. Pacman Jones is another guy like that. Donte Stallworth is a guy that got torn apart by the media. And that's just modern football.

Instead of tearing apart these athletes and asking for their heads when they do something wrong, can't we make an actual difference and let them reform themselves and their communities through sports? If Vick becomes a success story - and he basically has - isn't that much more of a victory than lobbing off his head for funding a dogfighting ring?

FOX News is complete shit, and this guy only adds fuel to that fire.

 

[Dags90]

I think it's dumber that half the people in this thread still feel that Vick deserves another cruel punishment himself. One thing is, Vick didn't go out there and choke dogs to death or even personally order them to their deaths, he simply financed the operation and made it possible. It's no different than a general ordering men to their deaths from a command post far away. He never sees it, so he doesn't have a conscience about it.

It is pretty odd that, while in threads about meat consumption animal rights is shrugged off as silly or impractical by a large minority or slight majority. But in this thread (and more generally, this case) animal rights is something sacred. I heard it described that "pet animals", especially cats and dogs in the West are sort of "fetishes" (in the classical sense of the term). Because we keep them as pets, they're more sacred than other animals[footnote]More generally of the animal rights movement, this applies to mammals and birds, some reptiles. Interestingly, one of the big (cruelty) complaints about commercial fishing is that sometimes dolphins get caught in the nets.[/footnote]. If Vick had gotten caught as part of a cock fighting ring, an equally violent practice, I'm sure the responses would be radically different. People would consider it mostly eccentric, and most of the protest would come from people who were also opposed to eating chicken.

It's a bit crazy how many people seem to be taking Hammurabi's position for dogs.