Twilights "Internal" Problems?
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While I admit that some comic books and anime are geared for "mature" audiences, most of what you will find are for kids. Superman, and Pokemon. X Men and Ranma. Captain America and One Piece. Twilight and Justin Beiber. Kool Aid and Nerf footballs. Barbie and Transformers.HG131 said:
Come on! I don't see people getting so upset that old people liking prunes, and 60 minutes.
Actually, I think that would be accepted as quite a romantic gesture. Sitting outside her window, watching her sleep, however, would not.Tootmania said:
Sorry sir, I fail to see why sex should not be a casual topic. And I find it rather irritating when you say it shouldn't be in the manner you do; as if it is an objective truth.Tootmania said:
"No one wants to be caught off-guard with a surprise/accidental or unwanted pregnancy" And that's what contraceptives are for.Tootmania said:
As for the "...decent people don't like the idea of knowing that their partner has slept around with a bunch of other people." That is a cultural thing, and should be discouraged. Here you also annoy me by saying "most decent people". The way you say it, it seems that you look at people who don't care who their partner has slept with as lesser persons. Really?
I am compelled to just dismiss this as the ramblings of an off the leash conservative, but I might just be interested in discussing with you. Your post even had me interested until the part when you said that being comfortable with your sexuality makes you a slut.
don't forget the whole interracial relationships are wrong. Not to mention the author is a mormon so her warped sense of thinking is going to permeate this literary vomit.
As for the whole single mom stuff. I was married before I had my son and the reason I am now divorced is my ex became physicially/mentally /verbally abusive, his addiction to painkillers, and endless lies. I did not want to raise my son in that environment so I left. Now I hope in the future I find someone who accepts me and my son and wants to be an equal. I support my son and myself and I do not expect anyone else to. Maybe you have been burned by a few girls, but sorry at 19 years you do not have the intelligence or the worldly knowledge to make such sweeping generalizations.
As for the whole single mom stuff. I was married before I had my son and the reason I am now divorced is my ex became physicially/mentally /verbally abusive, his addiction to painkillers, and endless lies. I did not want to raise my son in that environment so I left. Now I hope in the future I find someone who accepts me and my son and wants to be an equal. I support my son and myself and I do not expect anyone else to. Maybe you have been burned by a few girls, but sorry at 19 years you do not have the intelligence or the worldly knowledge to make such sweeping generalizations.
I agree that the Twilight hatedom is starting to sound ridiculous. However, I can sympathize, assuming most of the hatedom consists of middle schoolers. As someone who was in midde school once, I can't blame them. As you get older, if you don't like something, you can ignore it. In middle school however, you are stuck in the cesspit of bad taste that you can't escape unless you were to try dropping out of school.
As an adult, I see Twilight posters ever now and then, and find Twilight books as I walk through the book stores. Middle schoolers, however are stuck dealing with the fangirls every single day. Bottom line: If you're a middle schooler and need to vent, be my guest. Everyone else, find something better to do.
As an adult, I see Twilight posters ever now and then, and find Twilight books as I walk through the book stores. Middle schoolers, however are stuck dealing with the fangirls every single day. Bottom line: If you're a middle schooler and need to vent, be my guest. Everyone else, find something better to do.
how about this, the more we talk about our hate for twilight the more the movie and books are heard about. so i am starting my own personal vow right now to not speak or even think about twilight. in doing so, i hope to accellerate the cycle in which a particular item is expunged from the public mind. face it, in 5 years, no one will even remember twilight. we have forgotten better stories than that, so it is inevitable.
so please, join me in not talking about twilight.
so please, join me in not talking about twilight.
Very funny. Even today it's harder for a woman to find a job and they are often payed less than men for the same jobs. How do you think that was during your Glorious Patriarchy of the 1950's?Tootmania said:
You COULD try not to be an asshole, but you don't want to.
Your views are very conservative.
This means I generally don't agree with anything you've said, but I will try to back up my completely rational hatred of Conservatives in order to counter some of your points.
Your point about marriage
Your point about Stalking is Love
Your point about sex
Your review speaks less of a review and more a nostalgic longing for the past from a deeply conservative mindset which probably wouldn't be altered however many counters were flung your way. Suffice it to say that the only reason you can defend Twilight is because you subscribe to many of the old time 'values' it mistakenly covets. Teaching them to our children in this new era is not only wrong, it is irresponsible of us as the new adults of this generation. We may not like this present we've been given, but it's all we've got, and I for one think it could be a lot worse, and it will be if people keep trying to bring back the 'good old days' realising only too late that we left them behind for good damn reasons.
This means I generally don't agree with anything you've said, but I will try to back up my completely rational hatred of Conservatives in order to counter some of your points.
Your point about marriage
1. Marriage is no longer as important as it once was, and to suggest that women should find themselves good husbands before they become 'old career hags' is an aweful attitude left over from a time in society that should rightfully be looked upon with disdain. I also don't think you quite have the right idea about why the workforce has needed to change. It wasn't because women 'diluted' it, (and I also raise multiple questions regarding your 'men are the naturally better' point which I think is grossly misrepresentative) it was because War killed off the men, and so the women needed to come to work. They often didn't choose to, they had to. When they got there they found that they were good at it, and suddenly they wondered why they weren't being allowe dequal rights to the men, because harp on about not having enough jobs to go around but the fact of the matter is that it was the patriarchal society which imposed itself upon the women and didn't allow them to work, thus the entire crux of your 'workforce is diluted/women must marry' argument rests on the hinge of an unjust system. What you seem to have misunderstood is that the system as it evolved did not come to be that way because women thought to themselves 'I want to stay at home and take care of my children' it evolved because men assumed 'we must be better than the women' with no logic to contradict them, since they literally did everything, and so they oppressed women.
Suggesting women need to marry and raise children is tantamount to a restatement of the age old adage 'get back in the kitchen.' It is one of the most heinous and overlooked of the oppressions of the early 20th century and before, and we rightfully left it behind a long time ago. Their system wasn't perfect, our system is not perfect, but at least in our system a woman is free to be her own person without needing a husband to define herself.
Suggesting women need to marry and raise children is tantamount to a restatement of the age old adage 'get back in the kitchen.' It is one of the most heinous and overlooked of the oppressions of the early 20th century and before, and we rightfully left it behind a long time ago. Their system wasn't perfect, our system is not perfect, but at least in our system a woman is free to be her own person without needing a husband to define herself.
Your point about Stalking is Love
2. So at least you acknowledge that stalking isn't love but you forget that at least the other romantic ideals you decry didn't involve a 108 year old perpetually horny vampire sneaking into an underage (by American standards) girl's room. In America they have such a taboo against girls engaging in any sexual thought before age 18, well what about if Edward was sneaking into the 15 year old Bella's room, or the 14 year old? How about the 8 year old, let's really push the boat out here. Not forgetting that Edward is 108. Either claim he's a teenager in which case he's just a creepy stalker, or claim he's a 108 year old vampire in which case he's a creepy stalking paedophile. There's your love story. It's between a paedophile and the girl who falls in love with her own paedophile. At least chivalry has the two characters being roughly the same age.
Your point about sex
3. This is just prudish and frankly ill-informed and stupid. The classic failing of an argument calling back to traditional times is that we no longer live in traditional times. The tint of nostalgia may dim your eyes but like it or not the times have changed and you'd better change with them or you won't have a place in the new world. Sex is now a part of our culture. It has been since the sexual revolution of the 60s, and suggesting that we are now in the 'slut-age' makes me sorely tempted to write your argument off right here and now, but I strive for professionalism. Sexually Transmitted Diseases are rampant, Teenage Pregnancy is on the rise and our culture has increasingly new ways of defining itself. To bury ones head in the sand at this point is like trying to turn back the tides after the tsunami has already wrecked your house. An exercise in such pointless futility that it bears no relation to the real world.
Adults must engage in this new society, and they must help their children engage in it. We cannot revert to the way things were, pretend children don't have a sexual thought til they get married and only care about producing babies. We must instead accept that this world contain many harms sexual in nature, and the best defence is information, not scare-mongering. If we are to beat the perils of the modern world it must be through our intellect. Scientists have been claiming for so long that our evolved brains let us get this far, so why did we stop using them now?
Also, to compound how much I think you're an idiot. 'As stated earlier, sex used to be a "taboo" topic, not one to be taken lightly or out in the open. And people, at young ages, were often discouraged from "sleeping around" and to wait until they found that special someone to "get their groove on".' You have conclusive proof of this do you? When exactly did children not experiment? Was it in the 60s? Clearly not because that was the age of the Revolution that clearly scared your testicles back into your body. The 50s? Not likely in post-war hysteria. The baby boom wasn't just adults whose husbands had come back you know. Americans received their first reputation as 'over-paid, over-sexed and over-here' by seducing British and European girls, so to suggest that your boys were rosy-cheeked is fallacious. The 20s and 30s? Not likely, there was an underground revolution going on at that time, which was only stopped by the advent of the war.
Nostalgia is a dangerous thing, it makes us long for a time that never was. Back-street abortion clinics, people dying of diseases they had no idea what they even were and were too scared to tell their doctor. That's what you're really advocating. Syphilis used to be regarded on the same scale as we regard AIDs today, do you really think that came about because people were keeping it in their pants until marriage?
Adults must engage in this new society, and they must help their children engage in it. We cannot revert to the way things were, pretend children don't have a sexual thought til they get married and only care about producing babies. We must instead accept that this world contain many harms sexual in nature, and the best defence is information, not scare-mongering. If we are to beat the perils of the modern world it must be through our intellect. Scientists have been claiming for so long that our evolved brains let us get this far, so why did we stop using them now?
Also, to compound how much I think you're an idiot. 'As stated earlier, sex used to be a "taboo" topic, not one to be taken lightly or out in the open. And people, at young ages, were often discouraged from "sleeping around" and to wait until they found that special someone to "get their groove on".' You have conclusive proof of this do you? When exactly did children not experiment? Was it in the 60s? Clearly not because that was the age of the Revolution that clearly scared your testicles back into your body. The 50s? Not likely in post-war hysteria. The baby boom wasn't just adults whose husbands had come back you know. Americans received their first reputation as 'over-paid, over-sexed and over-here' by seducing British and European girls, so to suggest that your boys were rosy-cheeked is fallacious. The 20s and 30s? Not likely, there was an underground revolution going on at that time, which was only stopped by the advent of the war.
Nostalgia is a dangerous thing, it makes us long for a time that never was. Back-street abortion clinics, people dying of diseases they had no idea what they even were and were too scared to tell their doctor. That's what you're really advocating. Syphilis used to be regarded on the same scale as we regard AIDs today, do you really think that came about because people were keeping it in their pants until marriage?
Your review speaks less of a review and more a nostalgic longing for the past from a deeply conservative mindset which probably wouldn't be altered however many counters were flung your way. Suffice it to say that the only reason you can defend Twilight is because you subscribe to many of the old time 'values' it mistakenly covets. Teaching them to our children in this new era is not only wrong, it is irresponsible of us as the new adults of this generation. We may not like this present we've been given, but it's all we've got, and I for one think it could be a lot worse, and it will be if people keep trying to bring back the 'good old days' realising only too late that we left them behind for good damn reasons.
What the F**k are you talking about op?
Are you bashing on women or on the book or are you justifying them both?
Thank god I was eating a sandwich when I was reading this. That way it didn't feel like a complete waste of time... No wait I take that back.
I need another sandwich...
Are you bashing on women or on the book or are you justifying them both?
Thank god I was eating a sandwich when I was reading this. That way it didn't feel like a complete waste of time... No wait I take that back.
I need another sandwich...
