Two explosions reported at the Boston Marathon (Updated: 6:50PM EST April 16 2013)

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MysticSlayer

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I saw this at work today and was completely shocked. I lived in the New England area for about a year and I have a cousin that goes to school in Boston, so I have a little more connection to it than the average person that simply knows it as "that ultraliberal city where Harvard is located and Samuel Adams is brewed". Given that my dad had no clue about this even hours after it happened I'm assuming nothing happened to my cousin. Anyways, my prayers go out to everyone affected by this. I hope they bring whoever did this, regardless of their as-of-yet-unknown motivation, to justice.
 

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Jeez, that's terrifying.
Nothing I can say that hasn't been said already. Thoughts and prayers to the victims.
I'm not going to start speculating who or way with the little bit of information that we have, I'm just going to see how it all unfolds.
 

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Why? It IS terrorism?

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the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

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the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.

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a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
You're forgetting the possibility that this was not done in order to make a statement. There are people out there that are f***ed up enough to do this kind of thing for kicks, among other things. The term terrorism only applies when one's objective involves creating and using fear to get one's way.

But since the perpetrator not having some kind of social/political agenda is unlikely, they are more likely trying to avoid the term because the public these days automatically associate terrorism with certain extreme groups of Middle Eastern origin, forgetting in the process that the term would apply just as well if this had been done by a radically violent splinter group that hates marathon runners for some random reason.
 

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Let us spin the wheel of absolute fuckwits to see what sort of pond scum surfaces to claim responsibility for this atrocity.

*tic tic tic tic tic tic*
In all honesty, I wished one of them would claim responsibility already or we catch one of them. It's scary as all hell to me that the person or people that did this are still walking the street.
 

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xDarc said:
There are a few things that make me think this will come out as a domestic attack from a homegrown militant patriot group. Today is the deadline to file your taxes. We are also hearing that there was some observance of events in Newtown at the start of today's event. Most reporting states at least 3 dead with dozens injured.
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I have friends and some relatives in Boston. I hope they're all OK. Physically I mean. No way they're getting out of this one without some emotional scars.

It was probably a work of domestic terrorists. The bombs were too ineffective to be anything other than homemade. I hope they catch the bastards soon and execute them in public.
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Heard about this on the radio. If this is a terrorist attack, I'm just worried that it's not even over yet. Hopefully those two explosions were the end of it.

My heart goes out to all those affected by the blasts. Damn...
Seems pretty tame to be a terrorist attack . And by tame i don't mean that it's insignificant, i just mean that i would expect an terrorist attack to be bigger and badder .

OT: well shit, who'd have thunkit . Completly random . Well it could be worst , good thing more people wasn't hurt.
It only seems that way because 9/11 was so massive. This is more in line with the scale of terrorist attacks throughout history.

Edit: CNN is also officially calling it a terrorist attack, although they're not speculating on who did it. Other sources are speculating that it might be home grown and right wing, but it's still just speculation at this point. Nobody has claimed responsibility.
Suggesting that it was a home grown right winger made me think of an interesting scenario.

Reportedly, the explosions happened near where some of the parents of the Newtown shooting's victims were. [http://now.msn.com/boston-marathon-bombing-might-have-caught-newtown-families] Wouldn't it be strange if a very anti-gun control proponent tried to 'finish the job' using explosives, as a means of protesting the (many) proposed new gun control regulations by showing that explosives made with commonplace materials can be just as bad (or worse) than a firearm?
It's more than just that. Today is tax day in the US, and apparently in Boston it's also Patriot day, a local holiday. The race was dedicated to the Sandy hook victims, and had parents of the survivors victims in attendance. If you know anything about our fringe right wingers (and I mean way out there, not your garden variety republicans), that sounds like the kind of symbolism they'd go for.

Edit: scratched out typo. Not sure if their kids got out alive, all I know is it's Sandy Hook parents. Some of them were also running in the marathon, I heard an interview with one of them on the radio on the way in to work this morning.
I love how everyone on this site says, "Oh, yeah, it's totally a white right-winger. They're known for using bombs in public places in this country. Taxes and guns have totally been the motivation for attacks like this one in the past, and there is no other group who has shown this pattern."

Tomorrow is Israeli Independence Day.

Are you guys serious?
 

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Probably just some sociopath looking to kill people.

I see absolutely no reason yet to suspect it to be terrorism related.

(Remember, of course, that terrorism requires the intent to instill fear in others). I expect it to end up being some jaded guy that finally realized that you can kill far more people with explosives than with firearms, if you're competent.

Edit: Oh, yeah, it's tax day. This would certainly be the day for someone that has nowhere left to turn to pull something like this off.
How was this not an attempt to instill fear in others? Terrorism doesn't necessarily have to be for any particular political cause, but this is basically textbook terrorism
How WOULD it be? Wanting to kill people is not necessarily tied to wanting to cause fear. An example would be the vast majority of mass (esp. school) shootings, which had no goal other than "get known/let others know my pain" and/or "just kill as many as possible/kill the people that caused me to do this."

As Owyn_Merrilin pointed out, just wanting to kill people without intent to coerce* is not terrorism. I further argue that there's no evidence (yet) that the dude wanted to make a statement with this act, with no reason (yet) to assume so, but that's a lesser point.

*Ill-defined, I know, but I lack a vocabulary wide enough to explain what I mean here.
 

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PhiMed said:
I love how everyone on this site says, "Oh, yeah, it's totally a white right-winger. They're known for using bombs in public places in this country. Taxes and guns have totally been the motivation for attacks like this one in the past, and there is no other group who has shown this pattern."

Tomorrow is Israeli Independence Day.

Are you guys serious?
Eh, if the right wing gets to blame left-wingers (they are/will and you know it) I don't see why it can't be the other way around.

Though this website is a little too quick to say it was a pro-white/Tea Party/2nd Amendment person.
 

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Xpwn3ntial said:
PhiMed said:
I love how everyone on this site says, "Oh, yeah, it's totally a white right-winger. They're known for using bombs in public places in this country. Taxes and guns have totally been the motivation for attacks like this one in the past, and there is no other group who has shown this pattern."

Tomorrow is Israeli Independence Day.

Are you guys serious?
Eh, if the right wing gets to blame left-wingers (they are/will and you know it) I don't see why it can't be the other way around.

Though this website is a little too quick to say it was a pro-white/Tea Party/2nd Amendment person.
I don't know if I'd call Radical Islamic Fundamentalists "left wing". They're against pretty much everything the American left wing is for.

I think the people on this website just want to prove that they're good non-racist global citizens by making a nonsense connection to a group that has yet to display this type of behavior.

In the process, they'll ignore the anniversary of the most contentious event in modern Middle Eastern history. Also, they'll ignore group that's still super pissed off about it, because suggesting this group might be engaging in a behavior that they've been guilty of, all around the world, especially on or around important dates on their calendar, for a hundred years, especially over the last 13, would be "racist", because apparently "radical islamic fundamentalist" is an ethnic group.
 

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Xpwn3ntial said:
PhiMed said:
I love how everyone on this site says, "Oh, yeah, it's totally a white right-winger. They're known for using bombs in public places in this country. Taxes and guns have totally been the motivation for attacks like this one in the past, and there is no other group who has shown this pattern."

Tomorrow is Israeli Independence Day.

Are you guys serious?
Eh, if the right wing gets to blame left-wingers (they are/will and you know it) I don't see why it can't be the other way around.

Though this website is a little too quick to say it was a pro-white/Tea Party/2nd Amendment person.
Well looking at the homegrown terrorists the US has had in the past, that is what they tend to be. In other places at other times communist terrorists could easily have been behind it, but fact is that in the US today you are more likely to see a McVeigh than a Guevara.

Likewise had it been an Al-Qaeda cell, the bombs would probably have caused a lot more damage.

I hope the wounded make it out alright and that they catch those responsible.
 

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Commissar Sae said:
Xpwn3ntial said:
PhiMed said:
I love how everyone on this site says, "Oh, yeah, it's totally a white right-winger. They're known for using bombs in public places in this country. Taxes and guns have totally been the motivation for attacks like this one in the past, and there is no other group who has shown this pattern."

Tomorrow is Israeli Independence Day.

Are you guys serious?
Eh, if the right wing gets to blame left-wingers (they are/will and you know it) I don't see why it can't be the other way around.

Though this website is a little too quick to say it was a pro-white/Tea Party/2nd Amendment person.
Well looking at the homegrown terrorists the US has had in the past, that is what they tend to be. In other places at other times communist terrorists could easily have been behind it, but fact is that in the US today you are more likely to see a McVeigh than a Guevara.

Likewise had it been an Al-Qaeda cell, the bombs would probably have caused a lot more damage.

I hope the wounded make it out alright and that they catch those responsible.
Most of the foiled plots by Islamic terrorists (there are groups other than Al-Qaeda, you know) in recent years have been relatively small time. The Time Square bomber, the underwear bomber, etc. They're not nearly as good at their goals as you seem to think they are, especially now. They're fragmented, a shadow of what they used to be.

I don't think you can make a judgement on motivation based on scale. Besides, there were at least two other bombs which didn't go off. How much more damage would have been done if they hadn't been found?

I think that the tax day connection and the Sandy Hook connection are shaky at best. The target isn't right. Whoever did this wanted visibility.

Right Wing terror cells strike because they think they're going to change something: Start a race war, cause the collapse of a branch of government, kill someone they see as key to a particular piece of legislation. None of those things fit here.

Islamic Fundamentalist groups strike because they're trying to say something, to us and to the Islamic world: public places, lots of cameras, signs of decadence (what's more decadent than people running over twenty miles just for the hell of it?), on or around major anniversaries and milestones on the Islamic Calendar. All of those things fit here.
 

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While this is tragic, I'm going to go ahead and hold off on listening to anyone's explanation for a good week. Right now, everyone is thinking "terrorist" either domestic or foreign or whatever. I don't know, I'm not claim to know, I'm just going to claim that everyone always overreacts and gets things stupid wrong. We love to hate groups in this country, so we're looking to blame whatever groups we can. For instance, I bet most people on this very thread have already assumed it's more than one person. We don't know, but we're looking to point fingers.

It's really cold of me, but I think the most important thing to figure out is the motivation. Once I know what the motivation was, maybe even understand it, then I can accept anything. So I always look for the reasons and that's all I'd like to know: Why. Why bomb the spectators of a volunteer marathon? From what I understand of violence, this seems pointless, but now I'm just assuming. Maybe there was a reason, hate-filled evil reason, but maybe there was a point.

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Edit: Holy hell! What the hell is wrong with all of you? Why are all of you saying it's either one or the other of a group of people: dirty brown people or dirty white people? What the fuck? That kind of thinking makes me hate the human race. This kind of ignorant, backwards, political straw-manning bullshit has to fucking STOP!

This entire thread, meant to inform, has turned into something extremely disgusting and I am ENTIRELY disappointed with the lot of you.

Sorry to anyone who didn't post any of this hate-mongering on the fourth page, but it's down-right disgusting back here.
 

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Pebkio said:
While this is tragic, I'm going to go ahead and hold off on listening to anyone's explanation for a good week. Right now, everyone is thinking "terrorist" either domestic or foreign or whatever. I don't know, I'm not claim to know, I'm just going to claim that everyone always overreacts and gets things stupid wrong. We love to hate groups in this country, so we're looking to blame whatever groups we can. For instance, I bet most people on this very thread have already assumed it's more than one person. We don't know, but we're looking to point fingers.

It's really cold of me, but I think the most important thing to figure out is the motivation. Once I know what the motivation was, maybe even understand it, then I can accept anything. So I always look for the reasons and that's all I'd like to know: Why. Why bomb the spectators of a volunteer marathon? From what I understand of violence, this seems pointless, but now I'm just assuming. Maybe there was a reason, hate-filled evil reason, but maybe there was a point.

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Edit: Holy hell! What the hell is wrong with all of you? Why are all of you saying it's either one or the other of a group of people: dirty brown people or dirty white people? What the fuck? That kind of thinking makes me hate the human race. This kind of ignorant, backwards, political straw-manning bullshit has to fucking STOP!

This entire thread, meant to inform, has turned into something extremely disgusting and I am ENTIRELY disappointed with the lot of you.

Sorry to anyone who didn't post any of this hate-mongering on the fourth page, but it's down-right disgusting back here.
It's just people trying to reconcile grotesque tragedy, dude.
 

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PhiMed said:
I think the people on this website just want to prove that they're good non-racist global citizens by making a nonsense connection to a group that has yet to display this type of behavior.

In the process, they'll ignore the anniversary of the most contentious event in modern Middle Eastern history.
When I turned on my TV on 9/11/01 before my shift at work, I said the sunuvabitch finally did it, referring of course to Osama bin Laden. It wasn't because of racism, it was because the media was conditioning those who paid attention to have this guy on their radar. Back then no one paid attention. My 60 year old neighbor thought the soviets were firing missiles at us and I had to remind her the cold war had been over for some time. But

I paid attention, checked the news on reuters over the web every day. You'd hear all kinds of crazy things, like Al Qaeda growing marijuana fields in Sudan using kidnapped children traded for AK-47s and chickens to fund their operation. You'd hear of bin Laden calling Saddam Hussein an infidel after Hussein denied him refuge back in 98.

Then after 9/11. everything I had been reading for years was cut down, edited, packaged by editors at a TV news room and fed to you the way you were meant to see it. Two days later they found the passports of the hijackers in the rubble which was essentially atomized, but the passports must have floated in the breeze and landed neatly on top of the pile... in something as conceivable as the Kennedy magic bullet theory. It was never questioned. bin Laden also came out denying involvement, something he had never done.

And yet it was used as a pretext to invade Iraq through vague correlation. I remember thinking as the events unfolded that this was playing out all wrong, that this was no way to win a war on terror, this was something else.

The same pattern played out after Waco, Americans were upset about it and then we saw the OKC bombing and any sympathies we had for Waco quickly vanished. First you are conditioned, then an attack happens, then they take the initiative and just roll right over the American people to do whatever they want. I've literally watched this play out a few times in my lifetime so far.

So when they're having trouble taking away our 2nd amendment rights, which is their ultimate goal, and all of a sudden there is a bombing in Boston using black powder and ball bearings, on Patriot's day, you'll have to forgive me if I expect them to blame right wing extremists so they can achieve their objectives. Then they'll make the connections to the Liberty movement, the NRA, Alex Jones, whoever opposes them will somehow be mentioned in the same breath as the bomber.

That's what I see happening. It's also been too damn quiet. No statement. No one has claimed responsibility. I understand they keep mentioning a Saudi national who was wounded, and tomorrow may be a big day for Israel, but from where I sit it doesn't point to a middle east connection at all. We'll just have to wait and see.
 

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I don't much care for how this was covered on TV where I live, 5½ hours of non-stop "special report" where we weren't even getting updated and were just rambling and repeating it. It's one thing to inform us of a crushing event, it's another thing to terrify the masses by hogging more air time than (putsomethingcleverhere) to only show the explosions in slow mo for the thousandth time...

Tragic event, but still not handled the best way.
Hope we can find out who did it though, and such.
 

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Pebkio said:
This entire thread, meant to inform, has turned into something extremely disgusting and I am ENTIRELY disappointed with the lot of you.
I do not understand what the problem is with people speculating on what is going on, that is natural discussion. If it upsets you I'm sorry.
 

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I just found out about the bombing ten minutes ago. I'm with Pebkio: guessing which group or trying to find explanations in this mess...

...it's just too damn SOON!

What would make everything clear is identifying a clear motivation for the bombing. I can't say anything for certain (after all I'm just another scared and confused guy on the internet), all I can do is offer my own guesswork. (not that it actualy means anything)
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It seems telling that there's been no official release of any kind of statement or manifesto by the bomber(s).

Lately we've been conditioned to expect that any group acting with politcal motivation will send a statement to Police and/or the media within hours of an act of terrorism. Either the media is keeping silent or there isn't one. I haven't even heard word of supposed claims of responsibility. An "International" event like the Boston marathon gaurantees international media attention and a broad "audience" for any kind of "message".

So why isn't this psycho posing for the spotlight?

Hell, I've been scrutinizing the footage and images I've been able to find, and the first bomb seems to have gone off somewhere between the flags of South Africa and Taiwan. The flags seemed to be lined up alphabetically, so if there WERE political motivations about the U.S. or Israel you'd think the bomber would have placed it more directly behind one of those two flags.

The bombs have been described as "extremely crude" and the damage "the kind of injuries you'd see on soldiers returning from Iraq". Yet the targets were clearly the spectators and the bombs were designed to maim rather than kill.

Isn't this the kind of thing we've seen at one time or another on basically every cop show since the eighties? It even feels eerily like a cocked-up version of the Season 3 finale of "Criminal Minds", except that in this case, the second bomb seemed improperly placed to take out first-responders or an evacuating crowd. I suspect the how and why of the second bomb will tell us more about the bomber than the first.

Going by those same crime shows, this feels like the hallmarks of an amateur at work and something about this suggests remote detonation of at least the second bomb. Whether there were one bomber or several is unknowable at this point.


So why would an amateur bomber target a non-specific group of people like this? The only motivation I can think of is simply to inflict injuries on convenient targets. Seems like a stupid way to jump-start the War Amps program to me. Crippling a bunch of people in one city isn't going to do any more for wounded veterans than Columbine and Aurora have for gun control.

That makes the bomber either a sadist who gets off on his handiwork or someone seeking "generic" revenge against society. If this were TV, the bomber would most likely be "home-grown", young (late teens early twenties), probably male and either be ex-military, have ex-military relatives, or just have internet access. His lack of experience suggests the latter. If indeed at least one bomb was set off remotely, that would mean the bomber is able to blend in sufficiently to have been at the scene of the bombings and still escape. Even though at least one of the undetonated devies were found in a hotel, I'd go so far as to guess the bomber lives in Boston and expects to see the results of his handiwork for the rest of his life. That also means he'll be folowing media coverage of the bombings. The high degree of planning indicates intelligence but the nature of the plan suggests the same kind of TV-logic I'm using right now. That kind of logic usually indicates immaturity.

Lastly, I agree with the TV assessment that all bombers are cowards. Otherwise they would strike more directly and be more forthcoming with their "message" (if any). This is especially likely given the lack of an imediate public statement. Such a high profile attack is more likely a one-time act rather than the beginning of a "campaign of terror". The bomber is almost certainly hiding out trying not to arouse suspicion.

...but that said, if life immitates art as art immitates life, the bomber will likely have at least one more device at his disposal in case of "emergencies".

Of course this is all speculation in the face of terror on my part, so expect most of this to be wrong.
 

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I suppose it would be both frustrating and ironic if the guy that's supposed to make a statement about this got caught in his own bomb, and is now lying somewhere wounded and unconcious.
"woops."

My sympathies to anyone involved, and to Boston itself for having such a travesty within it's city streets.
Just heard this on the morning news and that is not nice waking up to. -.-
 

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Imagine that this is everyday life for people in some places around the world :/

No, I'm not saying "fuck you" to the victims.