Two students make a racist video, in blackface. Will they get kicked out?

[NiPah]

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No still going to go with "you're wrong" and quote my above text, not much I can add to since you're just nit picking at this point.
But by all means I'll give this victory to you, congrats on a hard won debate, you seem to really want to make yourself look the better man here.

So at this point you're proven wrong and want to just say "But I'd just say the exact same stuff again". Well, proves my point about bias.

I'm going to have to agree with you, congrats on the hard won debate, you seem to really want to make yourself look the better man here.
I've noticed a worrying trend in a lot of the other posts you make on the forum, I'll make sure not to engage you in conversation next time due to your style of post.

 

[NiPah]

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No still going to go with "you're wrong" and quote my above text, not much I can add to since you're just nit picking at this point.
But by all means I'll give this victory to you, congrats on a hard won debate, you seem to really want to make yourself look the better man here.

So at this point you're proven wrong and want to just say "But I'd just say the exact same stuff again". Well, proves my point about bias.

I'm going to have to agree with you, congrats on the hard won debate, you seem to really want to make yourself look the better man here.

It's funny that you're the one who brought up this 'better man' stuff. Don't blame me if you feel inadequate over an Internet debate.

Oh you were the better man, I agree, you just want to make sure it's shown through your debate style. I did feel inadequate for a bit but then I got over it.
I mean I still disagree with your points but as we can see your style of debate won, the victory is yours.
Sadly we're really derailing this topic, so to make some semblance of a relevant post I still feel the girls should not be kicked out of the university, and counseling would be the better option.

 

[Kinguendo]

Snips. Snips everywhere.

You know what? Forget it. I don't know what I ever thought I would achieve by taking you on here, (I guess I just don't respond well to threats of physical violence,) but I am tired of reading your long-winded sanctimonious replies to myself and others. So think what you want of me, I'll continue to do whatever I like and make people laugh while I do it.

Oh, and just a heads up, but I'm sure if you examined the cultural origins of many classic Halloween costumes --nice sidestep on not answering what's scary about Spiderman, by the way-- you'd find several that have roots in prejudicial or stereotypical folklore. Just because it was longer ago and everyone's forgotten about it doesn't change that, though I doubt you'd let that get in the way of thinking you're right.

And for the record, don't take this as me admitting you are right. I still think you are an intolerably arrogant/ignorant person with far too much time on your hands, but I imagine I'm in the majority on that.

Take care, and if you ever do see me, I welcome you to swing a punch.

Given that I thuroughly disputed your points, except for the Spider-Man one which I thought was rhetorical, and you gave up... It seems like I won. I mean, the last 2 replies I sent you were filled with indisputable facts that both proved how your claim of my ignorance was not true AND how you learned nothing of making assumptions despite having just apologized for it which supplied eveidence for my point that simply apologizing for something isnt proof of learning from those mistakes. Among other things.

And given that I dont know where you live because you were reluctant to even say the city and I only know you from your homage to racism (which I didnt initially think it was but you now claim that it definitely was with that thing about the Black and White Minstrel Show) so unless you wander around with black make-up on at all times I dont think I would recognize you. Also, it wasnt a threat. I was saying what I would have done, not what I am going to do. Dont try to claw back some semblance of victory by playing the victim, especially as someone who walks around imitating the Black and White Minstrels without regard for implications or the history of that very show.

 

[NiPah]

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You're debating me when I just said you won, so does that mean you don't think you won?
Good god that might mean I might have to talk to you some more...
Ok everything you just said is correct, I was wrong in this thread, now please don't make me read any more of your posts.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

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Its quite clear your views are flawed, this is evidenced in your reply as you ignore quite a few of my points which were numbered for easy referencing to your comments and so that you could do the same. Its not difficult to notice how you conventiently ignored the quite large generalisations you made that I brought attention to, showing you are unwilling to address the flaws in your views. This shows you really arent in any position to lecture anyone regarding anything about "race" or ethnicity... or even nationality given the mistakes you made earlier.

This seems to be a massive assumption on your part. You assume that because my views are different, they must be "flawed". Not the case. Nor did I ignore your soft points. I merely pointed out the fallacies within them. I'm not going to debate your illogical points if I can just tell you how your wrong. You've actually not pointed out any flaws in my logic either.

Also, you kept on bringing up context earlier but now you bring up "black face =/= black people" in a general sense when we are discussing specific cases.

So you ignore my point about how Dave Chappelle did the reverse of black face as well as my point about Robert Downey Jr. doing what could be considered black face in Tropic Thunder. Bravo. Those were two specific points which you seems to have either not read, or decided to ignore because you don't have an argument for either. Nice.

Was the chap dressed as the Grim Reaper and applied black make-up to his face to complete the costume? No, he wore normal clothes and put black make-up on his face... What else would that be?

He actually responded to you in another post regarding this and throws your petty point out.

And no, rehabilitation isnt punishment... its why the terms come seperately when discussing prison as a place for rehabilitation and punishment, NOT rehabilitation as punishment. Also why rehabilitation is defined as a method to restore to useful life, through therapy and education and why rehabilitation and punishment are not sysnonymous.

Rehabilitation and punishment can be synonymous at times. Like the purpose of prison. It's supposed to be for the purpose of rehabilitation. Punishment is a hard form of rehabilitation. You punish people so they don't commit a negative act again. Same can be said about rehabilitation. The methods are different but the goal is exactly the same, which is why rehabilitation can be counted as a type of punishment. Again, quit assuming that punishment is always a negative term.

And to finish, Halloween is about the promotion of horror... stop trying to deny this.

Just like Christmas is about the promotion of the Birth of Jesus these days right? Halloween's origin isn't even horror based. The horror aspect is the commercialization of it, just like Santa Claus is a bastardization if Saint Nicholas. Your trying to say that Halloween is supposed to be about horror is equivalent of someone saying that Easter is about chocolate. it's laughable. Halloween is about having fun and dressing up as whatever the hell you feel. And until you can give me or anyone who has asked you (which you continually ignore) how Spider-Man costumes project horror, your point on the matter is moot.

I dont understand why you are trying so hard to defend racism OR idiots who dont have the foresight or common sense to realize the implications of what they are doing.

So now I'm defending racism. No, you're just really, really reaching for an argument that you've lost many points ago. I'm telling you that you're making much more of this than you should. I don't know if its a White Guilt thing, trying to look better than others in your own self esteem boosting way, or you're trying to be offended on the behalf of others who don't need you to be offended for them, but you wanting these two girls in the OP to be punished further than being called idiots on an international level is just petty, overreaching, and honestly pathetic. You care waaaaaaaay too much about this issue and you should stop and take a deep breath, really think about why me, and a bunch of other people in this thread, have taken the time to tell you that you're being irrational.

EDIT: Just found a video of it that hasnt been deleted... couldnt watch for more than 10 seconds and in that time they already dropped a "******" with a hard "er". Given this complete lack of reluctance to say that word I doubt their apology was sincere, they were sad that they got caught. Have you seen the video? And if so, you are really okay with that?

I honestly don't care about their use of the word because the video was a joke, not a racist rant. Like I've said before, I'm a black guy with white friends who I allow to use the n-word (hard "er" included) when we discuss things. Hell, even when we crack jokes. I'm probably the worst person of colour to try and rile up when it comes to race issues. I realize that people are going to use the word whether I like it or not, so I choose to only get mad at racists that use the word and not everyone who does.

Hell, there have been a decent amount of white comedian that have said the n-word with the hard "er" attached with no one batting an eye because of the context they've said it in. Famous comedians too. Doug Stanhope and Louis C.K. Both of them are not racists. If they were they would not be as successful as they are. Louis C.K. definantly would not have a TV show that has won Emmys after using the n-word in his stand up.

The two girls in question used it in a joke fashion. But like I said before, it was a horrible joke, but a joke nonetheless. They apologized and now we should be able to get on with our lives. You seem to want "JUUUUUSTIIIICE". Sorry to say that they won't be going to any of your prescribed sensitivity classes. They frankly don't need to in the opinion of the majority.

So you can make horrible arguments about Halloween being about being scary and horror implications, but that has already been dismissed. Dismissals that you have been ignoring like a Tea Party Republican.

You can try to feel all offended on the behalf of all people who dislike racism everywhere, but try to understand the concept of context.

You can demand that the two girls should be punished for what they did all you want, the punishment that you seem so fixated on delivering won't arrive.

But do not try tell anyone who opposes your views that they have flawed logic. Not until you can actually respect the fact that people will disagree with you, and until you take into consideration that your attitude towards other is extremely horrible. You seem to want to debate and there is nothing wrong with that, but the way you carry yourself is getting pretty offensive. More so than the girls in the video.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

quoted because I wanted you to read this

Snips. Snips everywhere.

You know what? Forget it. I don't know what I ever thought I would achieve by taking you on here, (I guess I just don't respond well to threats of physical violence,) but I am tired of reading your long-winded sanctimonious replies to myself and others. So think what you want of me, I'll continue to do whatever I like and make people laugh while I do it.

Oh, and just a heads up, but I'm sure if you examined the cultural origins of many classic Halloween costumes --nice sidestep on not answering what's scary about Spiderman, by the way-- you'd find several that have roots in prejudicial or stereotypical folklore. Just because it was longer ago and everyone's forgotten about it doesn't change that, though I doubt you'd let that get in the way of thinking you're right.

And for the record, don't take this as me admitting you are right. I still think you are an intolerably arrogant/ignorant person with far too much time on your hands, but I imagine I'm in the majority on that.

Take care, and if you ever do see me, I welcome you to swing a punch.

Given that I thuroughly disputed your points, except for the Spider-Man one which I thought was rhetorical, and you gave up... It seems like I won. I mean, the last 2 replies I sent you were filled with indisputable facts that both proved how your claim of my ignorance was not true AND how you learned nothing of making assumptions despite having just apologized for it which supplied eveidence for my point that simply apologizing for something isnt proof of learning from those mistakes. Among other things.

And given that I dont know where you live because you were reluctant to even say the city and I only know you from your homage to racism (which I didnt initially think it was but you now claim that it definitely was with that thing about the Black and White Minstrel Show) so unless you wander around with black make-up on at all times I dont think I would recognize you. Also, it wasnt a threat. I was saying what I would have done, not what I am going to do. Dont try to claw back some semblance of victory by playing the victim, especially as someone who walks around imitating the Black and White Minstrels without regard for implications or the history of that very show.

Oh god, you think you've "won" the debate? Wow.. you're worse than I thought. You don't win debates by having the other person be disgusted by your arguments to the point of leaving you to your pompousness. Debates are used to sway the viewers/listeners of the debate. And judging by the reaction that you've gotten on this very thread, you've lost this debate a long, long time ago my friend.

All you've won is you patting yourself on the back in some strange act of self esteem boosting. You've lost the respect of @rob_simple and a few others. The fact that you needed to state that you "won" the debate is telling. You didn't defeat any points. You've just lasted longer on a battle of attrition. Annoyance was your weapon here.

 

[rob_simple]

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I couldn't agree more, it's the fundamental difference between being proven right and just refusing to admit you are wrong until everyone else gives up.