U.S. Senate Rejects Appeal Against Net Neutrality

[DoctorM]

Wow, you guys are suckers. Net neutrality is one of those misnamed bills that mean the opposite of what they are. It is a formula for U.S. government control of the internet.
Since when has that ever been a good idea.

Try reading about the opposing view point and then decide if this isn't an answer to a problem that doesn't exist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality#Opposition_to_legislation

 

[Tsaba]

Net Neutrality is just another tool of control, in another sense. Basically in essence the gov't can override your personal preferences and force you to see content you don't wish to or ban access to content you do wish to see. The internet is the one place left where we do still have total freedom of speech and Net Neutrality can be abused to strangle that, and if you don't think the US Government won't abuse that power, I have some nice Arizona beachfront property I'd like to sell you...
All content on the web is absolutely available to those who want to view it as it stands now.
The major problem I have with this "bill" is that its way too broad in its scope and can (and most likely) will be used not in our best interests.
Please people, take off the rose-colored glasses for a moment, realize that the liberal parts of government are just as much politicians as the conservatives, have their own agendas, and are just as afraid of people having opposite opinions as the other side. Censorship will be the rule, not the exception in the end.
I may not agree with people like the WBC, but they still have the right to voice their opinions without someone regulating how it is said and this bill will give the government broad powers over things like that... mark my words.
The best type of government is one that rules with a gentle hand, not an iron fist and this folks is an iron fist.

EDIT: Net Neutrality is the interweb version of "everyone gets a trophy" philosophy. Competition breeds innovation, when you take away the ideal of competition you lose the innovation and everything becomes stagnant. Thus why communism fails in the end because no one really has any real incentive to work hard. Why excel at something when doing the bare minimum gets you the same result?

The only person who isn't hoping on the senseless hate republican band wagon, do you have a seat for two?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-tech/post/senate-votes-against-net-neutrality-killer/2011/11/10/gIQAdScC9M_blog.html

 

[Something Amyss]

I don't think we can have any real progress until America does away with the party system and each of these motherfuckers has to run on their dam merits and principles, instead of pandering to their base with worthless platitudes. Basically I want America to be all Democrat

Unfortunately, part of the recent movement of "conservatism" came from people who were tired of identifying with a two-party system.

They then voted in the assholes who raped us and pitched a fit when a black guy got elected.

Until we fix the problem with the people being easily manipulated and the corporates being willing to manipulate, it doesn't matter how many or few parties there are.

 

[Something Amyss]

EDIT: Net Neutrality is the interweb version of "everyone gets a trophy" philosophy. Competition breeds innovation, when you take away the ideal of competition you lose the innovation and everything becomes stagnant. Thus why communism fails in the end because no one really has any real incentive to work hard. Why excel at something when doing the bare minimum gets you the same result?

I loves me some specious justifications!

 

[Something Amyss]

Sad but true
Where is Senator Bulworth when we need him?

I don't know. It's a shame we get faux populists like Senator Brown instead.

 

[maxmanrules]

This seems appropriate
Now we just need to get rid of S.978 and PROTECT IP...

Loading up my guns...

That's the problem here, those two laws seem suckballs, and they won't just fuck up the U.S. they'll fuck up EVERYWHERE.
So it's typical of Americans to make decisions that affect everyone without asking them.

 

[HalfTangible]

I don't get it. Somebody explain this to me. (I'm using 'law' for simplicity's sake)

The FCC is happy that a law which would have given them more power has been overturned. The law in question would have kept restrictions from being placed on the internet. That the law was overturned (allowing regulations to be placed) is somehow a good thing for net neutrality.

Am I misreading? Because that makes no sense.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

EDIT: Net Neutrality is the interweb version of "everyone gets a trophy" philosophy. Competition breeds innovation, when you take away the ideal of competition you lose the innovation and everything becomes stagnant. Thus why communism fails in the end because no one really has any real incentive to work hard. Why excel at something when doing the bare minimum gets you the same result?

Competition only works when it's not monopolised. Want to name a few monopolies on the web at the moment that are stifling competition/innovation? Like those consoles that force you to access the web through their own browsers?

It is a formula for U.S. government control of the internet.

I want to see them try. Honestly. Because it would crush them.

Governments only work because they have the Civil Service behind them. On the internet, there is no Civil Service, only Policemen. Homeland Security would get swamped simply trying to deal with CP, never mind anything else.

As long as they keep banning bills and re-introducing them, they're not touching the internet.

 

[Something Amyss]

I want to see them try. Honestly. Because it would crush them.

They won't, anyway, but yes, it would.

It's just adorable watching the conspiracy theories.

 

[Gitty101]

Whew. That could've been nasty - even for those of us living in different countries.

 

[8bitlove2a03]

Burn Wall Street and boil DC, you can't take the net from me.

 

[Ryan McGrath]

Well now at least I know there is good number of non-retarded Congressman.

 

[skullduggery]

EDIT: Net Neutrality is the interweb version of "everyone gets a trophy" philosophy. Competition breeds innovation, when you take away the ideal of competition you lose the innovation and everything becomes stagnant. Thus why communism fails in the end because no one really has any real incentive to work hard. Why excel at something when doing the bare minimum gets you the same result?

This is adorable considering the last thirty years of Reganism and deregulation has led to nothing but stagnated wages, massive outsourcing to slave-labor countries, and skyrocketing poverty. Deregulation and "competition" has almost never worked and has only led to even worse conditions.

You also have no sense of Soviet history, since they were the first ones to put up a satellite, despite there being no competition.

And Net Neutrality has little to do with restricting competition anyway.

 

[inFAMOUSCowZ]

FREEDOM!! Sorry I'm just a bit over joyed with the decision.

 

[notimeforlulz]

"Government dictating how corporations cannot use their technology to dictate what people can read or see?

This is socialism!

Who the fuck cares that it's a really really good idea, it's socialist! "

Is what the 46 who voted against were probably thinking; some body vote those guys out of office please, if they are against net neutrality, they are not for the american people and are obviously free market mad, or bought and paid for, this vote can be used by the yanks to pretty easily figure out who they should kick out of the house.

 

[Callate]

I weep bitter tears for the people who write code that throttles back bandwidth, and those who sell sponsorships to not have one's site strangled, whose jobs may be lost by the failure of this bill.

Actually, no. No, I really don't. Trying to kill Net Neutrality has bugger all to do with competition and everything to do with stacking the deck.

 

[jthm]

EDIT: Net Neutrality is the interweb version of "everyone gets a trophy" philosophy. Competition breeds innovation, when you take away the ideal of competition you lose the innovation and everything becomes stagnant. Thus why communism fails in the end because no one really has any real incentive to work hard. Why excel at something when doing the bare minimum gets you the same result?

Of course! The lack of government regulation on the internet is why it's been stagnant and hasn't grown or innovated much since it's inception!

*facepalm*

 

[Blind Sight]

Net Neutrality is just another tool of control, in another sense. Basically in essence the gov't can override your personal preferences and force you to see content you don't wish to or ban access to content you do wish to see. The internet is the one place left where we do still have total freedom of speech and Net Neutrality can be abused to strangle that, and if you don't think the US Government won't abuse that power, I have some nice Arizona beachfront property I'd like to sell you...
All content on the web is absolutely available to those who want to view it as it stands now.
The major problem I have with this "bill" is that its way too broad in its scope and can (and most likely) will be used not in our best interests.
Please people, take off the rose-colored glasses for a moment, realize that the liberal parts of government are just as much politicians as the conservatives, have their own agendas, and are just as afraid of people having opposite opinions as the other side. Censorship will be the rule, not the exception in the end.
I may not agree with people like the WBC, but they still have the right to voice their opinions without someone regulating how it is said and this bill will give the government broad powers over things like that... mark my words.
The best type of government is one that rules with a gentle hand, not an iron fist and this folks is an iron fist.

EDIT: Net Neutrality is the interweb version of "everyone gets a trophy" philosophy. Competition breeds innovation, when you take away the ideal of competition you lose the innovation and everything becomes stagnant. Thus why communism fails in the end because no one really has any real incentive to work hard. Why excel at something when doing the bare minimum gets you the same result?

Damn, here was going to come on here and start arguing against this, and you've basically summed up all my points. Congratulations to you sir. Broad, ill-defined jurisdiction in a bill is a dangerous thing indeed. That's not a conspiracy theory, that's just ensuring that legislation properly defines the basis of government authority.