UK Home Secretary - New web monitoring laws will stop killers like Ian Huntley

[DudeistBelieve]

Ok think of it like this.

If you dont want this, get into politics, get some like-minded political allies, get elected, then have theese laws revoked.

Its a democracy, not an empire. People only get to do this because people gave them the power to do so, and they can give you the power to undo it too.

And while youre at it do something about political correctness and health and safety laws.

You think any independant parties have ANY chance of gaining momentum.

I feel this is very relevant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI

Getting into politics is a waste of time for those who actually want to change anything. The only parties that survive are those supported by corporations.

Basically, society is sick. Tell me something i didnt know already.

So how would you fix it? If what you say here is true then nothing we can do (in political terms) will matter in the end.

What he's saying is true. The only way to stop it would be flat out civil-disobedence, if not a flat out Revolution.

But that won't happen simply because people are fat lazy maggots, more then happy to give up freedom if it means it keeps the odd boogeyman away.

 

[aba1]

Well that's it then. They used the 'think of the children' argument........we're all fucked!

QFT.

Seriously though, I don't have a problem with these laws in their current form - I generally don't use the internet for illegal activities, and have no real issues with the government knowing about how fucked up the porn I watch is.(Really, Really fucked up).

Of note - it's not illegal (as an example) to look up how to build a bomb, simply having that knowlege is not, in itself, against the law... But I'd feel a lot better if I knew that the people who DO look that stuff up (including myself) get checked out by... I dunno, the Gestapo? (what do we have in the UK?... I'll google that ************ right after this)... That way, I can look the knowledge up knowing I'll be ok, whilst Mohammed Al-Shabab Hussein-Quaida down the road will get a knock on his door asking why he's been googling that, and also buying up the entire town supply of ammonium nitrate.

Same with the CCTV bollocks... But then again, my area is one where the police are actually not bad guys and they go after actual crooks, instead of people who litter and occasionally run naked through the streets (as I've been known to do on the occasional friday or saturday night)... However I can see how jobsworth dickhead coppers can ruin that for everyone if they so please.


Back on the Internet legislation - This could be a first step down the road to big brotherhood, I say we build our barricades on the 2nd step, rather than piecemeal trying to deal with this bollocks which the government managed to sneak in relatively quickly.


Finally: Googled that stuff from earlier: Turns out the CID are our Gestapo [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Investigation_Department], without quite as much evil though.

You know with these laws cops could take your banking and credit card numbers and info right?

 

[Iron Criterion]

I'm waiting for the day when the pass the law to have some git follow you around recording everything you do.

It's not that far off how it is now.

Can't step out of my house without 6 CCTV cameras watching me.

see this is the part of the anti-cctv thing i don't get.

You know who's watching you, nobody, the most the average person will be seen on a cctv is glimpses, unless your doing something massively noticeable your not important.

To think that anyone has the ego that they are more interesting than not only all the information that camera gets, but usually six or more others, that is just staggeringly big headed.

Heres the big secret, they don't care about you.

So you'd be perfectly fine with a 1984 esque state with telescreens in your house?

Because your logic could be applied to that same situation.

 

[aba1]

They won't spy on normal people, just the murderers, terrorists and peados?
How do they know who to spy on without spying on us?

Exactly plus it puts you in a situation where if you piss off the wrong people they can steal your banking and credit card information if you use any of that on the net.

 

[TheVioletBandit]

Gasp, surly the "enlightened" UK would never put such laws into motion. < joke

 

[MetalMagpie]

Aaaaaaand dead. It's been taken out of the Queen's Speech, so looks like it's not going ahead after all!

Panic over. As you were, people.

 

[Dogstile]

I'm waiting for the day when the pass the law to have some git follow you around recording everything you do.

It's not that far off how it is now.

Can't step out of my house without 6 CCTV cameras watching me.

see this is the part of the anti-cctv thing i don't get.

You know who's watching you, nobody, the most the average person will be seen on a cctv is glimpses, unless your doing something massively noticeable your not important.

To think that anyone has the ego that they are more interesting than not only all the information that camera gets, but usually six or more others, that is just staggeringly big headed.

Heres the big secret, they don't care about you.

What makes it ok for you? Is it that it's a camera and not a person? If a person was watching me all the time, i'd feel a little creeped out. A camera still gives me the same feeling.

Its that its impossible for someone to watch you all the time if they have to watch at least 5 other screens (im being generous those offices are full of screens) the only reason they would follow you is if you were doing something quite obvious or quite wrong.

If a camera is making you creeped out i'd suggest toughing up a little because the chances are, that they aren't following you= (unless you carry around a shark or something equally absurd)

And i'm still saying the very idea that someone might be watching me at all times is a little creepy. I know I mean nothing to them, it doesn't mean I want some dude behind the screens to have the chance.

 

[Rainmaker77]

I am totally against this and am utterly appalled to live in the UK at the moment - with our liberties trying to be taken away one by one (sound like an American there).

First we have this, and then announced today the idea of 'secret courts' - it's just outrageous.

The main glimmer of hope I see in the internet monitoring scandal is the sheer scale of internet traffic means that surely monitoring and storing all this masses of information is virtually impossible. ISPs will certainly not foot the bill for all the new infrastructure required, and it would cost just vast sums to store what will essentially be 90% spam emails.

The icing on the cake is that if you wanted to bypass the monitoring you could do so with a simple proxy or TOR.

Once again it seems someone thought up a policy regarding the internet with absolutely no idea how the technology actually works and how easily monitoring can be avoided.

 

[The Funslinger]

Signed it.

GMHQ has no place tapping a private citizen's communications without a court-issued warrant. Yes the government should be able to spy on the internet communications of people suspected of serious crime but only under due process.

As for the suggestion that unlimited web surveillance would have stopped Ian Huntley, that's utter tabloid bullshit. He committed previous sexual offences but was never charged for them. He did not perpetrate his crimes using the internet.

Exactly. This shit is wrong for the same reasons as the News of the World phone hacking. That caused a huge uproar. But apparently when the Government does it...

 

[The Funslinger]

Aaaaaaand dead. It's been taken out of the Queen's Speech, so looks like it's not going ahead after all!

Panic over. As you were, people.

Does that necessarily mean it's not going to pass, though?

They could just forgo warning the public and pass the motion discreetly under the "hey, these are the politicians you put into office!" excuse. That said, I don't know too much about politics, but I'm fairly certain other Governments have pulled shit like that.

 

[Dogstile]

I'm waiting for the day when the pass the law to have some git follow you around recording everything you do.

It's not that far off how it is now.

Can't step out of my house without 6 CCTV cameras watching me.

see this is the part of the anti-cctv thing i don't get.

You know who's watching you, nobody, the most the average person will be seen on a cctv is glimpses, unless your doing something massively noticeable your not important.

To think that anyone has the ego that they are more interesting than not only all the information that camera gets, but usually six or more others, that is just staggeringly big headed.

Heres the big secret, they don't care about you.

What makes it ok for you? Is it that it's a camera and not a person? If a person was watching me all the time, i'd feel a little creeped out. A camera still gives me the same feeling.

Its that its impossible for someone to watch you all the time if they have to watch at least 5 other screens (im being generous those offices are full of screens) the only reason they would follow you is if you were doing something quite obvious or quite wrong.

If a camera is making you creeped out i'd suggest toughing up a little because the chances are, that they aren't following you= (unless you carry around a shark or something equally absurd)

And i'm still saying the very idea that someone might be watching me at all times is a little creepy. I know I mean nothing to them, it doesn't mean I want some dude behind the screens to have the chance.

opposed to all the people in real life who do have the chance.

I honestly don't see the argument here.

In real life, if someone's been following me, I can get a restraining order. When its the government doing, what can I do against that?

But seeing your other posts, you seem like a "i've got nothing to hide, so who cares" guy. We won't agree.

 

[Mird]

Let us not forget that in 1984, Oceania was in fact Britain...

 

[Flames66]

I'm waiting for the day when the pass the law to have some git follow you around recording everything you do.

It's not that far off how it is now.

Can't step out of my house without 6 CCTV cameras watching me.

just out of interest assuming your not doing anything illegal and you cant be seen while on your own property why are you bothered by being on CCTV? because i personally dont mind

Personally I believe that any surveillance in unacceptable. I have a strong urge every time I see a camera watching me to stick a knife in it. They are just one example of freedom being slowly eroded by those in power.

OT: I have just emailed my MP about this issue and will hopefully receive a response soon.

Captcha: Watch out
Probably a good idea.

 

[SextusMaximus]

I'm waiting for the day when the pass the law to have some git follow you around recording everything you do.

It's not that far off how it is now.

Can't step out of my house without 6 CCTV cameras watching me.

sounds like you live in a right doss hole, one word ....move.

What? Just... what?

Firstly, moving isn't just a quick easy thing to do, it's a pretty huge process.
Secondly, it's pretty much the same throughout the UK. CCTV is freaking everywhere.

 

[OneCatch]

Petition here: http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/32400

Its grown 3000 signatures since I signed it this morning. Its a bad fucking joke; the world would be safer if we were all locked in 5 x 5 sheds and weren't allowed out, that doesn't mean we should do it.

I can see this going the way of America's Patriot Act - claim its for terrorism, then use it for other stuff as well (I think its used in drugs cases most of the time).

It was kicked out before, it should be kicked out again.

And I wish the Conservatives would stop using "think of the children!" for EVERY fucking bill they propose.

Much obliged, signed! Also posting on facebook to spread the word. This legislation will have enough trouble getting through the Lords, but every way of showing public opposition to it will help.