UK: Shouting considered to be domestic violence
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Domestic violence doesn't have to be physical. That's widely known. Often it takes psychological forms, and I'm glad to see the UK falling into line with the rest of the world over this issue.
I'm also quite sure that the law is context-dependent and not ALL shouting is domestic violence.
I'm also quite sure that the law is context-dependent and not ALL shouting is domestic violence.
How exactly would you qualify what shouting is and isn't domestic violence? It'd be near impossible to get consistent judgements, which renders the ruling basically irrelevant.
As long as shouting at your wife isn't considered as wrong as hitting her, I'd say it's fine.
Shouting can be enough to dominate and subdue someone.Feminists can be as blind as they want about female power and whatnot, but when your average guy gets angry and shouts at your average woman she will be intimidated, just because of the physical difference.
Kinda stupid though.
However.. is threatening to leave your man because he plays too much video games (I have a buddy...) domestic violence? That, too, dominates and subdues the man. Or putting on the chastity lock if he doesn't buy you some nice jewelry.
I'm just so sick that women are on the road to getting all the advantages we men have (fine), but still keeping their ethical and legal advantages (not fine).
edit: I don't view a women and man shouting on equal terms, due to that shouting is an intimidation technique (intimidation linked heavily with physical power).. but yeah
Shouting can be enough to dominate and subdue someone.Feminists can be as blind as they want about female power and whatnot, but when your average guy gets angry and shouts at your average woman she will be intimidated, just because of the physical difference.
Kinda stupid though.
However.. is threatening to leave your man because he plays too much video games (I have a buddy...) domestic violence? That, too, dominates and subdues the man. Or putting on the chastity lock if he doesn't buy you some nice jewelry.
I'm just so sick that women are on the road to getting all the advantages we men have (fine), but still keeping their ethical and legal advantages (not fine).
edit: I don't view a women and man shouting on equal terms, due to that shouting is an intimidation technique (intimidation linked heavily with physical power).. but yeah
Some people shout to let off steam, or to get their message across to people who simply won't listen. I know I do.
Better to shout at someone than punch them in the face, right?
But yes, it is better to resolve a conflict without any of those two, but I'm pretty sure shouting is by far the lesser of two evils.
Better to shout at someone than punch them in the face, right?
But yes, it is better to resolve a conflict without any of those two, but I'm pretty sure shouting is by far the lesser of two evils.
How is shoting violence? Shouting is practically a passtime in my house, if that becomes illegal......then its back to watching shit tv.
Lets all sing the new British national anthem together shall we? and a 1, 2, 1 2 3 4:-
"Nanny state, Nanny state protect meeee, all hail Cameron and the tory partyyyy, a nation that is oooover joyous, with our ranks of smaaall claims laaawyers!"
Lets all sing the new British national anthem together shall we? and a 1, 2, 1 2 3 4:-
"Nanny state, Nanny state protect meeee, all hail Cameron and the tory partyyyy, a nation that is oooover joyous, with our ranks of smaaall claims laaawyers!"
I find shouting to be an incredibly violent act.
Recently I got disowned by my Sister and her family because I dared to shout back at her on Boxing day after 4 days of being in the presence of her constantly yelling at anyone and everyone for no other reason than the fact that she's got too much pent up stress and agression that she outright refuses to do anything about.
I got called violent, when in reality, I would not have shouted back if I was not shouted at first.
It's very rare that I raise my voice to anyone, I treat everyone with respect and use kind words even if the person I'm talking to gives off that energy of thinking I'm some sort of chump for being pleasant.
I wouldn't shout at someone because it's such a violent act, and thus I expect the same treatment back.
Frankly, I'd rather be punched in the face than shouted at. I can deal with physical pain, but the energy that someone shouting and screaming and being verbally agressive brings into a household/room is suffocating.
Recently I got disowned by my Sister and her family because I dared to shout back at her on Boxing day after 4 days of being in the presence of her constantly yelling at anyone and everyone for no other reason than the fact that she's got too much pent up stress and agression that she outright refuses to do anything about.
I got called violent, when in reality, I would not have shouted back if I was not shouted at first.
It's very rare that I raise my voice to anyone, I treat everyone with respect and use kind words even if the person I'm talking to gives off that energy of thinking I'm some sort of chump for being pleasant.
I wouldn't shout at someone because it's such a violent act, and thus I expect the same treatment back.
Frankly, I'd rather be punched in the face than shouted at. I can deal with physical pain, but the energy that someone shouting and screaming and being verbally agressive brings into a household/room is suffocating.
You don't have to be shouting to inflict psychological damage on someone. In fact it's sometimes worse when they're saying it in a calm quite manner. It's somehow more, unnerving.
So long as "shouting" doesn't mean ordinary rows, but persistent emotional abuse, I see no trouble with such laws. Though lots of trouble in being able to actually enforce it.
Bans don't solve social or emotional problems. They merely manage to suppress the symptoms at times.
Bans don't solve social or emotional problems. They merely manage to suppress the symptoms at times.
hopefully shut the hell upAerodyamic said:
and the law thats was passed was only an amendment, which would make excessive shouting and verbal assaults would now be able to constitute domestic violence were it is deemed a prelude to future violence, or in conjunction with other minor domestic disputes it was also an advocated amendment as due to the low report rate of domestic violence and the unwilling to testify, neighbours could the likes could now play a larger part.
but as i recall the amendment as yet to take effect?
actually, isnt it France who is passing this law and England is just considering?
Well, technically violence refers to physical acts, however I believe the idea is that shouting is basically the threat of violence and we're talking about it in terms of domestic abuse.
I don't want to go to jail for shouting at my TV...
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I'm passionate alright.
I don't want to go to jail for shouting at my TV...
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I'm passionate alright.
I'd go with this, and I'd actually like to see a link to this anyway, especially since your presentation of it is minimal at best.BonsaiK said:
If someone is being bullied within their own home, I see no reason for it to not come under domestic violence.
Well if it's shouting as in Verbal abuse then by all means the power to ye but if it's any shouting at all no matter what the context then honestly the UK's just lost it. I'd probably be in jail for the amounts of times I've shouted after dropping something really heavy on my foot or stepping on a pin ect.
Though I would prefer neither, I have to agree. Shouting can be pretty damaging depending on who does it.TheXRatedDodo said:
Though enforcing a law about it does seem to me like governmental meddling of a disturbing degree, at first. I need more context to analyze it better, though.
Anyway, your attitude is laudable, it takes strenght to be polite.
This is going to go so very very wrong. If it's genuinely just shouting suddenly being classed as domestic abuse expect there to be an utterly vast surge in domestic violence cases..... Ugh. If it's a little more specific, say, constant emotional abuse rather than just shouting then I can understand it. But everyone shouts; often simply because they're annoyed or stressed or whatever. Most people don't view that as domestic abuse. I know I don't.
