UK: Shouting considered to be domestic violence
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This is a bit of an overly broad question. I mean that the context in which sex is withheld makes all the difference.thaluikhain said:
If your partner refuses sexual advances right from the start it's absolutely fine. I'd pick the former. If they refuse sex when foreplay is over and you're just about to, uh... 'get into it' (pun semi-intended) however; that is a terrible thing to do to a man and I'd have to pick the latter.
But that's offtopic.
I'm surprised this didn't get thrown out as unenforceable. It's great more is being done about domestic abuse, but this isn't the way forward; it'll inevitably just result in sympathy contests wasting time in courts and gives more excuses for intrusive neighbours to call the police on people. In the great majority of cases, both partners will have been shouting; what happens then? Do they both get convicted? Is it even possible to know for a fact who started the shouting match?
Some domestic abuse will certainly be stopped by it; though genuine cases would be fairly difficult to spot through all the noise of legal ass-flapping.
And there's also the concern of someone provoking their partner into shouting. Being a malicious sociopath will have never been so easy...
I had to look this up, spousal murders are almost always divided close to 50-50 with Canada having the lowest i could find 58% women - 41% men being the victims of spousal homicide that's not what i would call MUCH more likely. Plus women are more likely to be found not guilty or given a lesser sentence.thaluikhain said:
It IS entirely different both men and women get into intimate relationships with one and other largely because of sex. Its expected because its a social norm, are you telling me that if you were to date someone you honestly don't think sex would play a part? its human nature, hell its biology and yes, something probably is wrong with a relationship that has no sex.thaluikhain said:
also, again, semantics not having sex with someone is different from withholding sex. Deciding not to have sex with someone happens all the time, "i don't feel like it" is reason enough not to do it. Withholding usually occurs as a means of control often with other psychological factors involved such as the ONLY example brought up in this conversation withholding sex for gifts or money IE golddiggers. The argument someone else made that i argued you overreacted to was that shouting at someone is a ridiculous thing to call assault as is withholding sex, personally i agree that they are both ridiculous, largely because verbal assault belittling and intimidating are already covered. A new law in this regards cant really add anything other than an opportunity to abuse it.
Case in point WE are talking about an issue with a law about psychological abuse like shouting and intimidating. YOU are the one who first brought up rape, YOU are the one who brought up physical abuse. Attacking CAN be defined as verbal assaults and criticism.thaluikhain said:
The UK has truly become timid and out of touch with reality if 'loud noise' is considered violence.
I'm going to allow this.
No, seriously though? I don't think I like it. I'm a pretty huge proponent of free speech. Not like your average Joe who says he supports free speech, then thinks the government was right about retaliating against Wikileaks. I'm pretty much for anything but slander and perjury.
No, seriously though? I don't think I like it. I'm a pretty huge proponent of free speech. Not like your average Joe who says he supports free speech, then thinks the government was right about retaliating against Wikileaks. I'm pretty much for anything but slander and perjury.
Are you suggesting that Brian Blessed is not a paragon of thespian achievement? I certainly hope you're not impugning him, or thorough measures shall be have to be undertaken.jamiedf said:
I certainly hope so.MetaKnight19 said:
You know, reading the actual third (or even more) hand report it just says that a woman was granted access to free shelter for victims of domestic violence and her justification for applying for this, no doubt in a very shortened form, was that her husband "yelled at her in front of the children and didn't give her housekeeping money" this may set a precedent for future rulings.
This is not "Law allows the police to arrest people for shouting" for fuck sake, typical Daily Mail hyped up bullshit, hyped up even more buy aussie papers.
This is not "Law allows the police to arrest people for shouting" for fuck sake, typical Daily Mail hyped up bullshit, hyped up even more buy aussie papers.
You have obviously never had someone screaming in your face from less than a foot away about how much they hate you.xPixelatedx said:
Being shouted at agressivly by an obviously angry individual is fucking terrifying, especially if you don't know wether or not they'll stop at shouting.
if you don't find an angry woman screaming horrendous insults and obscenities at the top of her lungs at you intimidating, you've either not experienced it, or you're just VERY hard to intimidate. honestly i find women shouting far more intimidating than men shouting, but maybe that's just a personal quirk...Udyrfrykte said:
