UK's block on internet pron: what do you think?

[Geo Da Sponge]

David Cameron doesn't want children seeing any massive dicks? Well I guess he won't be doing public appearances any more!

Ba-dum-tish!

He hates seeing people have to submit to degrading humiliation and domination because they're desperate for money and recognition? Well I guess he should stop treating Nick Clegg like that then!

A-ba-boosh!

 

[Rattja]

I...don't even...

He speaks as if he could. I mean, people will always find a way. If someone can make a system, someone else can crack that system, or find a way around it. People should really know this by now.

 

[The Inquisitive Mug]

My favorite bit is "A secure database of banned child pornography images gathered by police across the country will be used to trace illegal content and the paedophiles viewing it." Surely no one would seek out this job as a means to access child pornography. After all, it's not like the priests that were put in charge of preventing other priests from molesting children ended up molesting children themselves. Oh wait...

I think next we should stockpile all of the honey and have Winnie the Pooh keep an eye on it to make sure no one eats it.

 

[TheYellowCellPhone]

Circumventing it is as easy as firing up TOR, using proxies, or just straight up downloading it from a place like Pirate Bay.

It's limiting freedoms, I think. Not many as many people want to stand up against it, because pr0n has always been thought of as morally debaucherous and no one wants to go out in public as a defender of something as private as porn anyway. If one part of the Internet gets blocked (and pr0n is EVERYWHERE, that is way too much Internet being blocked if this does go through).

And porn as an industry is huge. They aren't going to sit down and let a nice portion of its audience get blocked out, they're going to raise awareness and do a lot of protesting themselves.

And fourth, lol, it ain't going to work.

What worries me the most is that in order to fully block porn you need some serious sophisticated filtering system. Which is going to cost a lot of money and resources. And more often that not, anything that even has a potential to be porn is being blocked. This will cause a lot of issues. Even for those not interested in watching porn.

...Not exactly. Google already has a really sophisticated, in-built anti-child porn filter. I imagine that it could be adapted to cover all bases of porn, if there was an interest and a market who would use it. It wouldn't take half an hour to get it together, but it's not resource intensive.

Then again, this shit ain't gon work.

 

[mirasiel]

Presumably we'll also be seeing a ban on The Sun & the Daily Sport as well then?

 

[gibboss28]

Heres what I think and its very simple. People who watch porn shouldn't be punished for lazy fucking moronic parents. Can't be bothered to google a decent filter system? well tough fucking shit.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

Still can't believe Whedon actually got that past the censors...

OT: It's good to see that American politicians aren't the only ones to try to police our children. UK, if it is any consolation, this will probably end up like 90% of the attempts here in the States to control lifestyles. In other words, dead in the water, or heavily protested.

 

[Mr Mystery Guest]

This is all good if it happens but Cameron is a light-weight who has backed down from everything he said he would do. He can't even put someone in prison who was caught red handed hacking into a murdered teenagers cell phone so he will fail at this.

Anyway an opt out system is great because that makes it easier to find the child abusers. I do wish they stop saying porn, because porn implies consent and payment. It is not child porn it is rape. And everyone who might say rubbish about rights to privacy do sod off. You are winging about your right to masturbate. And no-one's going to blackmail you for wanking over Debbie Does Dallas.

 

[exobook]

Nevermind the fact that it would be impossible to successfully block all the porn anyway, which even if you block the main ones (Brazzers, Naughty America, etc), there's shit tons of it out there. Where does Hentai fall into this anyway? I've got no qualm with the stuff myself, but if you're trying to explore your sexuality you wanna start with the vanilla stuff, as well...I wouldn't recommend some of the more hardcore hentai and furry stuff out there as your first exposure, that isn't good for ya.

Hentai has already been illegal in the UK since 2009 when they changed the law to include fictional dipictions of under 18's. This of course makes it hard to have any interest in cartoon porn in the UK (thank good for Japanies Bara) since so much of it comes under the now illegal 16-17 age bracket.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coroners_and_Justice_Act_2009

Oh yes and if your a furry you may be viewing beastiality but thats a legal grey area.

What worries me more about this is the idea of a blacklist of search terms that will turn up no results. Due to the UK's already secretive anti-child porn operations you can bet that the list won't be revealed to the public. This has two issues, removal of legitate connected content and there is unlikely anything to stop the government from including in that list terror related searchs and then what is there from stop searches for anonymous or edward snowden or any other issue that the government doesn't want people to look up.

 

[themilo504]

I don?t think we need a universal porn filter, I do think that a porn filter should be an option for parents who don?t want their children traumatised by rule 34 to the point they consider sex evil, like me.

 

[Colour Scientist]

So anyone with a fetish that they were born with is automatically a rapist and a criminal if they wish to view someone tied up

Just a note, people aren't born with sexual fetishes.

OP: The entire thing is kind of silly. They were discussing it in relation to Ireland and that if it was introduced in the UK, certain parent/child welfare groups would want it brought in here. Apparently, if they can do it, so can we! I doubt the demand will be strong enough for it though.

Even if it does come in, worst case scenario, all you apparently need to do is ring your Internet provider, say "bring back the porn" and voila, infinite tits and dicks restored.

 

[J Tyran]

Personally I believe this has little to do with child protection, its part of a staged plan to control the internet. They need a lot of technology to do this and it takes time, the public would likely get angry if the government suddenly seized control of the internet in the way some countries do. They are sneaking it in bit by bit, first it was piracy and now its pornography.

The next thing will be "extremist" politics and ideology, they have already announced they want to do something about that. From there they have the potential to block or filter anything, even protest movements or any "seditious" politics or discussion if they wanted. Savvy users can get around all this but most of the general public cannot, this worries me because I know the lengths my government has gone to in the past.

Imagine if the internet was around during the miners strikes, the government went to great lengths to stamp out and silence them. Frequently it became violent, if the miners tried to use the internet to organise, lobby and spread awareness with these filters and blocks in place the could in theory make it very difficult for them to do this via the internet.

Same goes for the Republicans in Northern Ireland, they could block the political side of that conflict and try to silence legitimate political movements.

This does worry me because I have to wonder how far will this go.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

So anyone with a fetish that they were born with is automatically a rapist and a criminal if they wish to view someone tied up

Just a note, people aren't born with sexual fetishes.

That may be true for some people, but some sexual fetishes people are born with. It all depends, maybe they were born with it but nurture or their surroundings brought it out, or maybe they just developed it over time. Fetishes are a very strange thing, it's hard to say whether people are born with them or not. Unless you can provide sources one way or the other.

 

[The White Hunter]

I think Dr. Cox puts its perfectly


I dont see why adults of age cant do what the fuck they want. If you have a sprog its your job to look after the little shit not sit them in front of a computer all day

I agree with number 1.

OT: I'm kinda irked by it, particularly since it's yet more removal of responsibility from parents. It's becoming seriously pathetic how many people in this country will not take responsibility for themselves or their children and seek to blame the first thing they can, no matter what it is or no matter how little evidence they may have.

Edit: I find it frustrating that we have no say in what becomes law here, only in who makes those laws, I also dislike that this was seemingly slipped through with no prior coverage by our media.

 

[Colour Scientist]

So anyone with a fetish that they were born with is automatically a rapist and a criminal if they wish to view someone tied up

Just a note, people aren't born with sexual fetishes.

That may be true for some people, but some sexual fetishes people are born with. It all depends, maybe they were born with it but nurture or their surroundings brought it out, or maybe they just developed it over time. Fetishes are a very strange thing, it's hard to say whether people are born with them or not. Unless you can provide sources one way or the other.

Any google search, scholarly or otherwise, will show an overwhelming amount of psychological study indicating that it's not something you're born with but rather something that develops, usually having it's origins in childhood or pre-adolescence.
There's a small argument for genetic predisposition but research overwhelmingly points to a fetish as being something that is developed or conditioned.

It doesn't make it any more of a choice once you reach sexual maturity but saying 'fetishes are a strange thing, it's hard to say whether people are born with them or not'' doesn't really discount years of phycological study.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

So anyone with a fetish that they were born with is automatically a rapist and a criminal if they wish to view someone tied up

Just a note, people aren't born with sexual fetishes.

That may be true for some people, but some sexual fetishes people are born with. It all depends, maybe they were born with it but nurture or their surroundings brought it out, or maybe they just developed it over time. Fetishes are a very strange thing, it's hard to say whether people are born with them or not. Unless you can provide sources one way or the other.

Any google search, scholarly or otherwise, will show an overwhelming amount of psychological study indicating that it's not something you're born with but rather something that develops, usually having it's origins in childhood or pre-adolescence.
There's a small argument for genetic predisposition but research overwhelmingly points to a fetish as being something that is developed or conditioned.

It doesn't make it any more of a choice once you reach sexual maturity but saying 'fetishes are a strange thing, it's hard to say whether people are born with them or not'' doesn't really discount years of phycological study.

Huh, I did not know that. And yeah, if you develop one in an early age and then reach puberty you're pretty much stuck with it; which sucks, because if we could manage to stop the growth of fetishes such as pedophilia in early childhood we wouldn't have a problem with pedophiles.

 

[elvor0]

Nevermind the fact that it would be impossible to successfully block all the porn anyway, which even if you block the main ones (Brazzers, Naughty America, etc), there's shit tons of it out there. Where does Hentai fall into this anyway? I've got no qualm with the stuff myself, but if you're trying to explore your sexuality you wanna start with the vanilla stuff, as well...I wouldn't recommend some of the more hardcore hentai and furry stuff out there as your first exposure, that isn't good for ya.

Hentai has already been illegal in the UK since 2009 when they changed the law to include fictional dipictions of under 18's. This of course makes it hard to have any interest in cartoon porn in the UK (thank good for Japanies Bara) since so much of it comes under the now illegal 16-17 age bracket.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coroners_and_Justice_Act_2009

Oh yes and if your a furry you may be viewing bestiality but thats a legal grey area.

Well true, but that's only applicable when it comes to loli, as far as I'm aware, hentai is still legal so long as the "models" depicted are clearly over 18. Not that there's any way to check that. As any things possible with drawn art. 14 year old with huge boobs? Done. 30 year old that looks 10? Done. Small breasted girl? Could count as under age.

I'm not even sure what furry would count as actually, depends on the level of furryness, though most furries tend to just like the anthropomorphic stuff and shun actual bestiality. Heck if it's drawn you can have whatever the hell you want, might even help some people out. So long as no one gets hurt, do wank to what you want. Though the police would have a fucking field day if they had a look through my computer. There's nothing there that's morally wrong, but a large section of it would deem me some psychotic sexual deviant by UK standards. Most men(myself included) like schoolgirl outfits, which when you think about it is pretty creepy, but to most people it's perfectly acceptable and there's nothing wrong with it.

 

[Colour Scientist]

So anyone with a fetish that they were born with is automatically a rapist and a criminal if they wish to view someone tied up

Just a note, people aren't born with sexual fetishes.

That may be true for some people, but some sexual fetishes people are born with. It all depends, maybe they were born with it but nurture or their surroundings brought it out, or maybe they just developed it over time. Fetishes are a very strange thing, it's hard to say whether people are born with them or not. Unless you can provide sources one way or the other.

Any google search, scholarly or otherwise, will show an overwhelming amount of psychological study indicating that it's not something you're born with but rather something that develops, usually having it's origins in childhood or pre-adolescence.
There's a small argument for genetic predisposition but research overwhelmingly points to a fetish as being something that is developed or conditioned.

It doesn't make it any more of a choice once you reach sexual maturity but saying 'fetishes are a strange thing, it's hard to say whether people are born with them or not'' doesn't really discount years of phycological study.

Huh, I did not know that. And yeah, if you develop one in an early age and then reach puberty you're pretty much stuck with it; which sucks, because if we could manage to stop the growth of fetishes such as pedophilia in early childhood we wouldn't have a problem with pedophiles.

They've been trying to find ways of dealing with pedophilia for years without much success. From what I know, all cognitive therapies fail once the person has reached sexual maturity, even though they keep trying, but because you can't know what event or stimuli cause an individual to associate sexual arousal with children, or when, there's not a lot you can do.

They can't really go around 'testing' all pre-adolescents for pedophilia, I'm not even sure how they could ethically do that with one pre-teen let alone mass testing.

 

[MorphingDragon]

Guys guys guys, don't worry.

I doubt they'll block Tumblr.

 

[Woodsey]

It casts anyone who watches porn (everyone) as some sort of sexual deviant, and then mixes it in with a 'crackdown' on child porn so that you can't argue for one without being easily ignored as not just a sexual weirdo, but an all-out paedophile. Plus, it encourages a regression on the healthier attitudes towards sex that have developed over the past 50 years.

Oh, and it won't fucking work anyway. Everyone knows you can still get on to Pirate Bay, and anyone with half a brain-cell would have worked out that child abuse networks aren't a freaking Google search away.

Besides that, if they were actually interested in doing this "for the children" they could start a campaign to let people know that there are multiple levels of filters that people can already establish themselves, without having to child-proof the entire country. The reality is that they can start with vague definitions of pornography and explicit material and then they can justify filtering whatever the fuck they like.

Of course, this'll all go through because the computer illiterate and a bunch of fuckhead parents will support it in equal measure.

Earlier I raised the rhetorical question of Cameron banning page 3.

Well it turns out someone actually asked him that exact question:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/jul/22/cameron-no-ban-sun-page-3

Yep.

And gee golly, I wonder what tone the Murdoch-owned media has taken up with this little endeavour.