Ultramarines: The Movie

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irishdelinquent said:
I think the Ultramarines, handled properly, could have a successful movie. If they based it off of the battle for Macragge, I would personally love it (as would all those Ultra-smurf haters, because they get their asses handed to them). However, if it turns into "Watch Marneus Calgar walk into the Warp and *****-smack Khorne around", it would suck....I would only watch it four times in a row.
I agree. At only 70 minutes though, a lot of plot exposition will have to be...expositioned quickly. Explain what a Space Marine is. Explain what a 'Nid is. Explain why we care.

For anyone not familiar with it. [http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Macragge]

All their Terminators, man.
 

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Personal Wish - Weeaboo-stamp me all you want, but I think 40K belongs in the realm of Anime. As a series, not a feature.
Animated I could totally understand. Anime I would give a very wide berth. Same with a series.
I'm with Ultra on this one, Granted I am not the most knowledgeable on this subject by far

but I make it a point to know enough about stuff to talk in some kind of detail, and if not, them I'm tired

either way

Anime would lend itself to 40K,

Not all Anime is big breasted, Etc..

and it just makes more sense than trying to push 40K into a 70 minutes, when you can put it into season(s) or what-have-you
I dont think anime would do it justice. Anime, even the darkest and gritty animation still looks too clean for 40K. I mean, 40K needs to have a village of defenceless xeno scum and more xeno scum being butchered as an uplifting moment for Imperial Authority. :) Man i love WH40K.
i fixed that for you ^.^

and, yeah, either way would find it hard to pan out a 40K experience but, it's not like you would want to?, if it does well, it can be accepted, if not, then it just gets put into the history books as a failure.

so,yeah [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SoYeah]
 

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Ultrajoe said:
scumofsociety said:
Ultrajoe said:
Personal Wish - Weeaboo-stamp me all you want, but I think 40K belongs in the realm of Anime. As a series, not a feature.
Animated I could totally understand. Anime I would give a very wide berth. Same with a series.
I only specify Anime because it has a good track-record with such things. If there was a western animation style that could go the distance, of which I am skeptical in the extreme, go for it.
So...your not really saying you think it belongs in the realm of anime, you're just saying you don't think there are any western animation houses that are up to the job?

CGI is a style of animation and IIRC it's supposedly cheaper than traditional animation. If they could do a 70 minute film with the quality of the DoWII intro I think it would blow away any load of animu crap you care to mention.

I would be happy seeing an animated version, but all the things that get something classified as anime as opposed to just an animated film, specifically facial features and body proportions etc, I think could really, really screw things up. Anime 40K is fine for /tg/ fanart because that's all a bit of a joke anyway but for a 'serious' release I don't think it would work.

Now, I'd be quite happy to see a 40K movie animated by the same people who did Patlabor, the original GITS movie or Akira, but the dialogue, acting, storyboard, design etc would have to be western and the characters would have to be done in a western style.
 

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Rolling Thunder said:
Now, read Eisenhorn. The read Brothers of the Snake. Tell me which one you enjoyed the most. My money's on Eisenhorn. The other races are just so much more interesting.
Not entirely a fair comparison, as Eisenhorn is a masterpiece and Brothers of the Snake is widely considered to be Abnett's weakest 40K novel - he's gotten better at writing Astartes but on the whole he's still not very good at it, compared to his human characters anyways. Still, his work on the Horus Heresy far outstrips the various semi-related tales of the Iron Snakes of Ithaca

I would agree with you though that, on average, the novels that focus on the various chapters of Space Marines are not as compelling as the very best ones featuring more human protagonists, but that's not really a problem with the space marines so much as the authors not being up to the task. If you've ever read Aaron Dembski-Bowden's wonderful short story One Hate, or his latest novel Soul Hunter (though that's about traitor marines), you know why I say that most of the other BL authors don't really seem to get marines in the way that Aaron does.
 

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I decided one day, after careful thought, that I don't hate the Space Marines. Iron Hands, Mentors, Salamanders, Blood Drinkers, Aurora Chapter, Hawk Lords; they're all cool with me. But I would not, under any circumstances, accept the Smurfs.

The reason the Ultramarines have the longest history is because Games Workshop has a big fat stiffy for them to the exclusion of actually interesting chapters I'd like to hear more about like those mentioned above. Wait... of course. That's it!

The Ultramarines are an army of Gary Stus!
 

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kingcom said:
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Why is it always Ultramarines?, Black Templars dammit!
Imperial Fist Dammit!
I dont think having a movie about White Supremecists (Black Templars) or about a chapter who are into self-mutilation and get pleasure out of pain (Imperial Fists) are going to be movie material. The Ultramarines are not too out of control compared to other chapters and can be adapted as a simple "BY THE BOOK" (in the best Colonel Tigh voice i can do) chapter.

Honestly im still hoping for an Inquisitor CRPG and an Einsenhorn movie.
Damnit, thanks to you I've spent all day trying to figure out how I can stuff the cast from BSG into a 40K movie as best I can, it's really hard to do by the way.
 

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PrototypeC said:
The reason the Ultramarines have the longest history is because Games Workshop has a big fat stiffy for them to the exclusion of actually interesting chapters I'd like to hear more about like those mentioned above. Wait... of course. That's it!
The Ultramarines are the starter army. Spess Mehreens are the starter army overall of course, they are flexible, strong at everything, have a good save so they're durable, have all the toys you could want in 40k, so pretty much everyone who plays the tabletop game plays Spess Mehreens first.

And since the Ultramarines are the "default" marines, the ones that stick to the letter of the codex (they're not just "by the book", they wrote the book) and therefore don't do any Heretical Nonsense they're the easiest one to get to grips with first.

From the perspective of a movie which is not aimed purely at people who already know the universe, that means they can spend all their time showing the actual universe, explaining the Imperium, it's enemies, and what a Space Marine is, and don't have to devote time to explaining why the particular chapter they're focusing on is a Special Snowflake Chapter for whatever reason (which only makes sense if you know how the boring stick-up-their-ass Ultramarines work in the first place).
 

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The point is, I DON'T WANT TO SEE A MOVIE ABOUT NIGH-UNKILLABLE BADASSES. I want to see a war movie, which includes relatable, human characters so you give a shit what happens to them. The Ultramarines can never lose, except to return and carve out an even bigger win. Other chapters are on their last legs and still fighting valiantly... the Celestial Lions for example. That wouldn't make a bad movie at all!

But then, maybe I'm expecting too much. The characters might not even be given names; the movie's only 70 minutes. I assume it'll be something like the opening to the GW video games, just longer.
 

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Har har, the Anti-Ultramarine society always cracks me up. Clearly the Legio Ultra are a little to awesome and probably stomp you all flat on a regular basis, thus the immense dislike.

It is good that Mr Calgar and his boys in blue get this honour! As the greatest chapter in the history of 40k, it is certainly their right and privilege.
 

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dalek sec said:
Soviet Heavy said:
Leave the anime to the Tau.

Heres an interesting thought. Since all the 40K races have their own distinct artistic style, play with that, so that you have anime Tau fighting realistic guardsmen, vs the ungodly abominations of chaos.
That sounds kinda interesting, what would you do artistic wise for say Chaos factions or something like the Necrons?
I'd get some sort of abstract artist to do Chaos, make them as unsettling as possible. As for the Necrons? They're basically terminators, go with clean lines and stark efficiency.
 

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Sir Ollie said:
Why is it always Ultramarines?, Black Templars dammit!
Yes
PrototypeC said:
The point is, I DON'T WANT TO SEE A MOVIE ABOUT NIGH-UNKILLABLE BADASSES. I want to see a war movie, which includes relatable, human characters so you give a shit what happens to them. The Ultramarines can never lose, except to return and carve out an even bigger win. Other chapters are on their last legs and still fighting valiantly... the Celestial Lions for example. That wouldn't make a bad movie at all!

But then, maybe I'm expecting too much. The characters might not even be given names; the movie's only 70 minutes. I assume it'll be something like the opening to the GW video games, just longer.
If you want that then see if you can convince them to make a movie about the Imperial Guard.
 

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ragestreet said:
I wish they did a Cain movie. Preferably as an anime and directed by Satoshi Kon. He could give the movie the action and the humor it would need.
Ciaphas Cain? That would be... bad.

As much as I love the books about him, I think any media where you weren't inside his head would make the irony of his personality... well, stupid. And according to Cain, if you looked at him from the outside, you'd never actually see the true Hero of the Imperium. Would be crappy.

EDIT: The most interesting idea for a movie would be an Inquisitor (a space mystery, preferably ended with a massive battle against a chaos tainted world. You could throw the Ultramarines in at this part), or an Imperial Guard unit fighting in a doomed planet (Which would help in conveying the utter shittiness of the W40K universe).

Personally, I like the Ultramarines. Their one of the few legions that almost always had their act together, and have on of the most untainted Primarch.
 

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Sir Ollie said:
Why is it always Ultramarines?, Black Templars dammit!
The Ultramarines are Games Workshops own Mary Sue faction, the ones who always save the day and are the Emperor's finest warriors, living in the greatest place in the Imperium. Frankly, I'm sick of them and this movie looks like being the dullest concept for a Warhammer 40,000 movie they could possibly have come up with. Although they couldn't really do Black Templars and make them work, as Black Templar's most notable and defining trait is their extreme (even by Imperial standards) racism. Blood Angels or Space Wolves would have been a better idea.

But at least the movie is getting made. Hopefully this might lead to a really INTERESTING movie eventually getting a cinema release.
 

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I call bull on this movie because from just the name I can tell that it'll be the Space marines going against the Orks with no Tau, Imp Guard, Eldar, Tyranids And so on Which will kind of alienate me
 

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I call bull on this movie because from just the name I can tell that it'll be the Space marines going against the Orks with no Tau, Imp Guard, Eldar, Tyranids And so on Which will kind of alienate me
Because the Ultramarines... only fight orks? Or am I missing something? Of all the Chapters, the Ultramarines are best known for stomping just about everything in creation to dust.

My guess is Eldar. Human enough to get good facials from, articulate enough to have some sort of plot, and interesting enough to watch fight. Orks would be one boring mess (And because of this post, it shall be Orks.).