Uncharted 3 will require PSN Pass >=(

[ForensicYOYO]

Yes this is no joke. Uncharted 3 will require a PSN Pass to play online. Like EAs recent games it means if you buy it used you have to pay $10 for a code to let you play online. First Resistance 3 now Uncharted 3. Come on Sony you're better then that!.........??? I think... Still doesn't this piss you off?
If you dont understand the problem checkout the Jimquisition: Used Games Have A Right To Exist.

 

[BeerTent]

Although I have never watched it, I completely agree with Jim. In my opinion, Brick-and-mortar stores may be able to take a legal act against this as this is something that directly attacking their sales. For what reason? Oh, someone gets to play the game without passing a few cents to a developer?

Get the fuck over it. If you make a game like Heavy Rain, (and the Resistance series) with zero replay value, you have failed to overcome one of the challenges of creating a decent game. If you can't make a good product, then your going to make less money for it is going to tank.

 

[DustyDrB]

I was planning on buying it much later (too many other games are coming out around the time). I'll still get it used if it's a good deal. The online component isn't even a draw for me (never even touched that part of Uncharted 2).

 

[Nouw]

I fail to see why this is such an issue. Yeah it's a bit unnecessary but nothing to get angry about. Just buy it brand-new then!

 

[megapenguinx]

Although I have never watched it, I completely agree with Jim. In my opinion, Brick-and-mortar stores may be able to take a legal act against this as this is something that directly attacking their sales. For what reason? Oh, someone gets to play the game without passing a few cents to a developer?

Get the fuck over it. If you make a game like Heavy Rain, (and the Resistance series) with zero replay value, you have failed to overcome one of the challenges of creating a decent game. If you can't make a good product, then your going to make less money for it is going to tank.

Annnnd fail.

Replay value is a term made up by game journalists and is used to sway reviews either negatively or positively in a minor fashion.

There is no set metric to how much "replay value" a game has because one group of people will never end up playing the game again while another will play through a game multiple times.

Used games do have a right to exist, but to me it makes sense to pay the developer an extra $10 or so if you buy the game used...especially for multiplayer.

The reason it makes sense to me is because the developer is paying for the servers that you are playing on.

Now it's funny to me when people say they won't buy a game because it requires an online pass, because if you were planning on buying that game used then the developers and publishers would never have made any money off of you anyways. If you don't want to pay extra for the online pass, just save a little more and buy the game new. Chances are you'll actually save some money from buying a used game and a pass (Gamestop will usually charge only $5-$9 less for used new releases so you actually end up paying more).

 

[Asuka Soryu]

Ha, doesn't effect me, I never go online. But even so, I won't pick this up new. I wasn't a fan of Uncharted 1. Good story, got a little iffy when the monsters were added and I liked the characters, but I disliked the gameplay.

 

[mysecondlife]

meh. plan on getting it day 1. I'm ok with it, although I never played online.

wait for a month or two and you can easily buy new game for $40. no biggie.

 

[fenderstrat]

meh. i never play multiplayer anyway

 

[RikuoAmero]

[/quote]Used games do have a right to exist, but to me it makes sense to pay the developer an extra $10 or so if you buy the game used...especially for multiplayer.

The reason it makes sense to me is because the developer is paying for the servers that you are playing on.

Now it's funny to me when people say they won't buy a game because it requires an online pass, because if you were planning on buying that game used then the developers and publishers would never have made any money off of you anyways. If you don't want to pay extra for the online pass, just save a little more and buy the game new. Chances are you'll actually save some money from buying a used game and a pass (Gamestop will usually charge only $5-$9 less for used new releases so you actually end up paying more).[/quote]

So...if the movie studios start charging an extra $10 so I can view the behind the scenes features on used DVDs...
The developer is paying for the servers...can someone please explain to me what we get for Xbox Live Gold/PSN Plus? I thought the main advertisement point about them was the fact we get multi-player. I don't like being triple charged (ISP, Console Online, now the individual game)
"then the developers and publishers would never have made any money off of you anyways" Then that's the developer's problem. They haven't enticed me enough to buy new off of them. There is no moral/ethical/legal obligation on the part of consumers to buy only new. Used Markets exist. Get over it. If you want me to buy new, then entice me. Compete with the used games. Do not, and I mean, do not start PUNISHING me for not buying new.

 

[Bob_Dobb]

Where is your source mate?

On the topic at hand never played uncharted and don't see the appeal.

 

[Rednog]

To be honest I don't really have a big problem with the whole $10 thing, I do agree that used games have a right to exist. But I disagree with the manner in which they exist. The whole argument is oh look every other good has a used market, it should be the same for video games. Which is true, however the market isn't like that for video games. The problem with Videogames vs other goods like cars, books, whatever...is a distinct lack of wear and tear that depreciates the value of games and proper devaluation over time. There is the phrase a car starts to devalue as soon as it leaves the lot, this however is opposite for games, because unless the game disc is damn near torn to shreds it is still playable and the game will play exactly the same as a brand new one. And retailers unfortunately take advantage of this and are able to charge $5 less than the brand new title because they, and most gamers know that there is absolutely no difference. You know that $30 or so dollars that retailers give people for games, that is the value of the game, to almost double your money back as a re-seller, is just insane.

 

[RikuoAmero]

To be honest I don't really have a big problem with the whole $10 thing, I do agree that used games have a right to exist. But I disagree with the manner in which they exist. The whole argument is oh look every other good has a used market, it should be the same for video games. Which is true, however the market isn't like that for video games. The problem with Videogames vs other goods like cars, books, whatever...is a distinct lack of wear and tear that depreciates the value of games and proper devaluation over time. There is the phrase a car starts to devalue as soon as it leaves the lot, this however is opposite for games, because unless the game disc is damn near torn to shreds it is still playable and the game will play exactly the same as a brand new one. And retailers unfortunately take advantage of this and are able to charge $5 less than the brand new title because they, and most gamers know that there is absolutely no difference. You know that $30 or so dollars that retailers give people for games, that is the value of the game, to almost double your money back as a re-seller, is just insane.

Hmmm...have to disagree with you but only slightly. Slightly I have to point out. What I mean is is that older games are invariably less popular and thus don't command the $60 price point of a new game. I can get FIFA 08, 09 etc for about a tenner new, it would probably be less used.
And about what the retailers are doing. That's business. That's capitalism. Buy low, sell high. The Gamestops of the world saw a gap in the market, filled it and found a business model that worked.

 

[Rednog]

Used games do have a right to exist, but to me it makes sense to pay the developer an extra $10 or so if you buy the game used...especially for multiplayer.

The reason it makes sense to me is because the developer is paying for the servers that you are playing on.

Now it's funny to me when people say they won't buy a game because it requires an online pass, because if you were planning on buying that game used then the developers and publishers would never have made any money off of you anyways. If you don't want to pay extra for the online pass, just save a little more and buy the game new. Chances are you'll actually save some money from buying a used game and a pass (Gamestop will usually charge only $5-$9 less for used new releases so you actually end up paying more).

So...if the movie studios start charging an extra $10 so I can view the behind the scenes features on used DVDs...
The developer is paying for the servers...can someone please explain to me what we get for Xbox Live Gold/PSN Plus? I thought the main advertisement point about them was the fact we get multi-player. I don't like being triple charged (ISP, Console Online, now the individual game)
"then the developers and publishers would never have made any money off of you anyways" Then that's the developer's problem. They haven't enticed me enough to buy new off of them. There is no moral/ethical/legal obligation on the part of consumers to buy only new. Used Markets exist. Get over it. If you want me to buy new, then entice me. Compete with the used games. Do not, and I mean, do not start PUNISHING me for not buying new.

By that same token game companies have no moral/ethical/legal obligation to make you happy because you aren't their customer. Hell companies could honestly do worse, and I'm surprised that they already haven't, rue the day consoles get the PC treatment with CD-keys and the used game market gets eliminated completely. Why bother to compete with used when you can force new?

 

[RikuoAmero]

Used games do have a right to exist, but to me it makes sense to pay the developer an extra $10 or so if you buy the game used...especially for multiplayer.

The reason it makes sense to me is because the developer is paying for the servers that you are playing on.

Now it's funny to me when people say they won't buy a game because it requires an online pass, because if you were planning on buying that game used then the developers and publishers would never have made any money off of you anyways. If you don't want to pay extra for the online pass, just save a little more and buy the game new. Chances are you'll actually save some money from buying a used game and a pass (Gamestop will usually charge only $5-$9 less for used new releases so you actually end up paying more).

So...if the movie studios start charging an extra $10 so I can view the behind the scenes features on used DVDs...
The developer is paying for the servers...can someone please explain to me what we get for Xbox Live Gold/PSN Plus? I thought the main advertisement point about them was the fact we get multi-player. I don't like being triple charged (ISP, Console Online, now the individual game)
"then the developers and publishers would never have made any money off of you anyways" Then that's the developer's problem. They haven't enticed me enough to buy new off of them. There is no moral/ethical/legal obligation on the part of consumers to buy only new. Used Markets exist. Get over it. If you want me to buy new, then entice me. Compete with the used games. Do not, and I mean, do not start PUNISHING me for not buying new.[/quote]
By that same token game companies have no moral/ethical/legal obligation to make you happy because you aren't their customer. Hell companies could honestly do worse, and I'm surprised that they already haven't, rue the day consoles get the PC treatment with CD-keys and the used game market gets eliminated completely. Why bother to compete with used when you can force new?[/quote]

True enough, I suppose. But that runs back into my argument, of the developer having to compete with used games. They have to entice me. As for CD-keys...I would love to see that happen. At the moment, what's happening with purchasing multi-player is not a direct threat to Gamestop. But if console game developers get together and force CD-keys...I guess I can see some sort of an anti-trust lawsuit happening. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a lawsuit over the fact Microsoft patched out third-party accessories? As in, you had bought a third-party controller, then Microsoft released an update that makes it stop working?
In the case of CD-keys, Gamestop could legitimately argue that the developers are trying to shut them down. And before anyone else decides to argue back, Gamestop do sell new. Where do you think all the used copies come from in the first place? They had to have been bought new at some point, don't you think?

 

[Vaar]

This doesn't bother me for two reasons:

PSN is free in the first place,

a used game will usually be at least $10 cheaper than a new copy anyway (in my area at least).

 

[Ulquiorra4sama]

I'm buying it new so i don't really care.

Good for me i got hooked into the franchise before then 'cause i bought the previous two used and this would've been a nuisance if they'd used online passes.

I don't know what the price usually ranges from/to where the OP is from, but here you'd still save money from buying it used even if you needed the online pass.

 

[Kae]

I'll just copy and paste the same thing I said last time I saw one of this threads, even if I was a little pissed off at that time because I had just found out that this shit existed.

I didn't even knew online passes existed until I saw that Jimquisition video, it's a good thing I don't have a current gen console because then it would have been a huge problem, and also I want to add that there are a LOT of people who don't know about this online passes that are going to get fucked, sure most of these people are new users that are unfamiliar with the douchebaggery of online passes and rightfully expect the used game market to work exactly as the used movie and music market, and can you blame them if they fall for this trap and are confused and frustrated about it?
Answer= No, no you can't because it should work exactly as the used, well pretty much everything market, and if you say they are to blame because of they're ignorance then you sir are a douchebag.