Under-Powered Sneak in Skyrim

[DEAD34345]

I wonder why they still see me Oh that's right because they have eyes in the back of their head. There are 3 guys in a line walking, you'd assume that by putting your hand over their mouth their voice would be muffled when you slit their throats. But yet they immediatly turn around like some radarimplented heatseaking android.

That's weird, because I can always take out people walking in a line without being detected at all. Whenever I encounter those groups of 3 imperials walking in a straight line somewhere (which are pretty common) I sneak up to the guy at the back, take him out and the other 2 never realise a thing. I then do the same to the second and third guy, with no trouble.

Did you definitely use a dagger (or daggers) when you tried killing the people in a line? Daggers and bows are the only weapons that kill silently.

OT: No, just no. With low-level bandits and any draugr I can literally jump up and down in front of them and they don't notice a thing. With absolutely anyone (or anything) else they still don't notice a thing unless I move in front of them in a bright light, and I haven't even maxed out the skill yet. Sneak is rediculously overpowered, and fun.

 

[Sandernista]

With 50 sneak you sit right in front of an enemy and they won't see you.

Then you can easily one shot him.

Not broken?

 

[danirax]

you can use invisibility potions or you can get you sneak over 100 whit equips and potions that enhanced fortify sneak.
if im not mistaken the equips that can be enhanced are boots,rings,necklaces and gloves,
and whit max enchanting and a 3x% enhancing potion each of them can get about +55% sneak.
add to it a max alchemy + fortify alchemy equips whit +3x% and you can get fortify sneak potion that gives at least +150%.
whit that you basically invisible until you stab your enemies in the head....
**this info is based on me, I made that kind of equips, but not the potion the one I made gives +130% cuz I made em when my alchemy was 90 and my alchemy equips got 28% on them but I can enhance new one whit +3x% just too lazy to do it so I assume it will give 150%<....
or just make an invisibility potion! =P
recipe: vampire dust + night moth (that a light blue butterfly that you can easily find at night just get close to it and press your harvest button until you get him).

 

[Ruwrak]

Did you definitely use a dagger (or daggers) when you tried killing the people in a line? Daggers and bows are the only weapons that kill silently.

This.. right here made me realise WHY stuff goes bad x3
I should use my daggers more often then. Since I slice their throats with my Glass Legendary Swords >.> Thanks for the enlightenment there!

I also wonder if you can enchant your boots with muffled? And why I can't disenchant the boots I have now (I'm about 60ish enchanting) that have that effect, but have 0 (or rediculous low) armor. And what about the double backstab bonus? Is that enchantable too?

 

[DEAD34345]

Did you definitely use a dagger (or daggers) when you tried killing the people in a line? Daggers and bows are the only weapons that kill silently.

This.. right here made me realise WHY stuff goes bad x3
I should use my daggers more often then. Since I slice their throats with my Glass Legendary Swords >.> Thanks for the enlightenment there!

I also wonder if you can enchant your boots with muffled? And why I can't disenchant the boots I have now (I'm about 60ish enchanting) that have that effect, but have 0 (or rediculous low) armor. And what about the double backstab bonus? Is that enchantable too?

I don't think you can make either of those enchantments yourself, unfortunately. You could just replace the muffled boots with some kind of +sneak enchantment and it would have pretty much the same effect, but the double backstab damage gloves are just irreplaceable. You can get a version with a slightly better armour rating by getting your fortune told from that old woman (you get given a token for her as a bonus from one of the quests), but there's no way to add the enchantment to anything better than that. I keep them on no matter what armour set I'm wearing, which is a little annoying.

 

[danirax]

Did you definitely use a dagger (or daggers) when you tried killing the people in a line? Daggers and bows are the only weapons that kill silently.

This.. right here made me realise WHY stuff goes bad x3
I should use my daggers more often then. Since I slice their throats with my Glass Legendary Swords >.> Thanks for the enlightenment there!

I also wonder if you can enchant your boots with muffled? And why I can't disenchant the boots I have now (I'm about 60ish enchanting) that have that effect, but have 0 (or rediculous low) armor. And what about the double backstab bonus? Is that enchantable too?

yes you can enchant you boots whit muffled, if you cant disenchant the boots you have now that means you already learned that enchantment.
there isnt a backstab enchantment, and use a blacksmiths table to upgrade your armor....

 

[Ruwrak]

I don't think you can make either of those enchantments yourself, unfortunately. You could just replace the muffled boots with some kind of +sneak enchantment and it would have pretty much the same effect, but the double backstab damage gloves are just irreplaceable. You can get a version with a slightly better armour rating by getting your fortune told from that old woman (you get given a token for her as a bonus from one of the quests), but there's no way to add the enchantment to anything better than that. I keep them on no matter what armour set I'm wearing, which is a little annoying.

Oddly enough I answered my question myself the moment I hit post.
I went to the EUSP wiki for enchantingand lo and behold. Muffle is there, Double Backstab is not. Maybe it takes a certain skill level to disenchant & enchant it back? I have the perk muffled movement but that's 50%.

Now I wear glass armor, have the sneak perk around 89 or something along that line and yet some people see me through walls, doors etc. It's weird =/ Or they hear me approach even with the muffled boots, extra sneak and light armor overall whilst moving slow. I guess I breathe to hard?

yes you can enchant you boots whit muffled, if you cant disenchant the boots you have now that means you already learned that enchantment.
there isnt a backstab enchantment, and use a blacksmiths table to upgrade your armor....

Things is, it's not showing up in the enchantments list (and I select no item when I take a gander at it.) Nor does it show up in the items to disenchant (even with having the enchantment learned the items still show up, just greyed out.) Muffled movement (Jesters Boots, Shrouded Boots or Cicero's boots) does not show up in any way. Which makes it odd, wouldn't you say?

 

[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

Underpowered? Opposite, I'd say. The number of times I've been sneaking through ruins and almost tripped over enemy patrols is scary. Last mission I went on I was sneaking through generic ruins A to clear out generic bandits B for Jarl C and had an arrow already notched in my Nightingale Bow and pretty much stabbed an Orc warrior with the arrowhead as he was stood in a pool of deep shadow. Yeah, ok, sneaking in broad daylight isn't much cop, but that's kinda to be expected, right?

 

[danirax]

I don't think you can make either of those enchantments yourself, unfortunately. You could just replace the muffled boots with some kind of +sneak enchantment and it would have pretty much the same effect, but the double backstab damage gloves are just irreplaceable. You can get a version with a slightly better armour rating by getting your fortune told from that old woman (you get given a token for her as a bonus from one of the quests), but there's no way to add the enchantment to anything better than that. I keep them on no matter what armour set I'm wearing, which is a little annoying.

Oddly enough I answered my question myself the moment I hit post.
I went to the EUSP wiki for enchantingand lo and behold. Muffle is there, Double Backstab is not. Maybe it takes a certain skill level to disenchant & enchant it back? I have the perk muffled movement but that's 50%.

Now I wear glass armor, have the sneak perk around 89 or something along that line and yet some people see me through walls, doors etc. It's weird =/ Or they hear me approach even with the muffled boots, extra sneak and light armor overall whilst moving slow. I guess I breathe to hard?

yes you can enchant you boots whit muffled, if you cant disenchant the boots you have now that means you already learned that enchantment.
there isnt a backstab enchantment, and use a blacksmiths table to upgrade your armor....

Things is, it's not showing up in the enchantments list (and I select no item when I take a gander at it.) Nor does it show up in the items to disenchant (even with having the enchantment learned the items still show up, just greyed out.) Muffled movement (Jesters Boots, Shrouded Boots or Cicero's boots) does not show up in any way. Which makes it odd, wouldn't you say?

the weight you carry might effect you sneak, you should be able to hear them items in your inventory bang against each other yourself that might explain the people can see you through walls. maybe those boots are special or quest related item like the talismans, staffs and the thieves guild dagger so that might be the reason for unable to disenchant them.

 

[SonicWaffle]

Sneak is insanely overpowered. I've become the god of death. I'm dishing out one hit kills like candy and I'm almost never detected. Even if I am, I just slow down time and attack or run away to sneak again.

I find that, while sneaking is very powerful, it tends to be too risky for my tastes. Much of the time when you get discovered you're in for a world of hurt, especially considering that most sneaky types only wear light armour. I rolled a new character with heavy armour, a sword and a shield, and I steamroll things where as a stealth character I'd find myself being discovered and killed.

Then again, I'm much more of a "race through the dungeon, pause to loot, hit objective and continue the storyline" type of player in these games. My favourite parts are the quests and missions that ask me to do something other than clearing out yet another dungeon/fort/cave.

The times that I get killed for screwing up are fun, though. Like a game of cat and mouse that reverses sometimes when I'm discovered. Yeah, I'm a cautious guy who inches my way through a dungeon. I study enemy patrol routes, fire arrows into corners to get enemies to move, etc.

Heh. I'd like to be that kind of guy, but I just don't have the patience. I tried to play my first character, a sneaky sort, that way but I kept getting into brawls anyway. I quite like the idea of being the guy who studies patrol routes, distracts guards etc, but in all honesty I have so many combat options (direct-damage spells, summon spells, defensive spells, dragon shouts, ranged physical, melee physical, stealth, posions, buffing potions, etc etc) that I get overwhelmed, forget half my options and just charge in swinging an axe.

TBH, the main reason I went covert was for robbery, which worked very well but broke the entire economy - I have over 60,000 gold on that character and absolutely nothing worthwile to spend it on. The only house I've unlocked has been in Whiterun, and after kitting it out nicely I can't get another without struggling through quests to unlock the option.

 

[Ruwrak]

the weight you carry might effect you sneak, you should be able to hear them items in your inventory bang against each other yourself that might explain the people can see you through walls. maybe those boots are special or quest related item like the talismans, staffs and the thieves guild dagger so that might be the reason for unable to disenchant them.

A plausible theory, were it not for a few things.
I keep a reasonably clean inventory. Just the weapons I use (two swords, two dagges) The armor I use (light armor, got a perk in sneak that reduces sound by 50% and the boots that silence the sound as well.)

If they were quest Items I should not be able to sell them right? I can sell the medalions (exception to the Talos ones, yes I have several and can't sell them. Yay for weight. 0.5 weight but still.. 5 makes 2.5 weight.) Cicero's equipment I can understand for beeing special, but you find the Jester outfit 2 steps before you do your thing with Cicero, so that makes not much sense would it?

I still find it weird =/

 

[Insanity72]

Be aware that sneaking works differently in the overworld than it does in dungeons. Outside, enemies will often see you just by looking in the right direction, regardless of whether or not you're crouched. Inside, sneaking makes you nigh invisible.

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How do you actually do the stealth assassination kills we saw in the trailers??? i've tried everything i can think of, but can't achieve it.

Attack a human (or human shaped) target from behind while in stealth mode using a sword or dagger in your right hand. You need to inflict enough damage to kill them in one hit for the 'assassination' animation to trigger.

Yeah i found out my problem was just not doing enough damage.