Unexpected News: The Wachowski Sisters! Second Wachowski Sibling Comes Out As Trans.

[Wrex Brogan]

...well that's not exactly the kind of situation you wanna have when coming out publicly (if coming out publicly is even a thing). Ah well. Daily Mail can bend a metal rod up their arse and I hope everything works out for Lilly.

Maybe now their movies will finally be good again. Maybe they just needed to be on the same page.

...I liked Jupiter Ascending...

(Ok, it was a horribly paced mess of a film with a plot that made literally no sense but fuck it, I'm just glad it exists.)

 

[Andy Shandy]

Good on them although, as always, fuck the Daily Mail.

And yes, I did get a chuckle out of the whole "Red Pill" thing as well.

 

[Fappy]

What are the odds of them both being trans? I assume genetics is a factor here but to be honest, I don't know a damn thing about the underlying causes of trans-sexuality.

 

[JimB]

What are the odds of them both being trans? I assume genetics is a factor here but to be honest, I don't know a damn thing about the underlying causes of transsexuality.

No one does. It's in the brain, and we don't know shit about why or how the brain does what it does.

I hope Ms. Wachowski is happy as a woman, and I hope being outed like this wasn't too traumatic.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

What are the odds of them both being trans? I assume genetics is a factor here but to be honest, I don't know a damn thing about the underlying causes of trans-sexuality.

Genetics is a factor. They've done a bucketload of monozygotal twins studies. 33% likelihood of both monozygotal twins sharing a transgender identification. Which is obviously much higher than the incidence rate of the general populace.

There's no single cause, because people are complex balls of walking circumstance and choice. But genetics does play a factor.

 

[happyninja42]

"The Wachowski Sisters" sounds a whole lot better than "The Wachowski Siblings." Good for Lilly!

Also, The Daily Mail can piss right off.

I always just used the generic "The Wachowski's", it doesn't have any gender tied to it, but you still know who you are talking about "The people who made the Matrix."

Aaaaaaand red pillers are now named after a movie made by TWO transwomen. Epic.

I thought this sister was a 3rd sibling? Not the sibling who also made the Matrix? Did 3 of them make the Matrix or are there just 2 siblings and so the other one is also trans? I know she said she doesn't like talking about her art, but I figured this was some other medium than film.

OT: Sucks for her to be outed involuntarily, though at least she's taken control of it to some degree, so she can perhaps stay ahead of the tabloid hooplah.

 

[Barbas]

Didn't the founder of that rag stand up for Hitler? Filthy tabloid.

 

[Fappy]

What are the odds of them both being trans? I assume genetics is a factor here but to be honest, I don't know a damn thing about the underlying causes of trans-sexuality.

Genetics is a factor. They've done a bucketload of monozygotal twins studies. 33% likelihood of both monozygotal twins sharing a transgender identification. Which is obviously much higher than the incidence rate of the general populace.

There's no single cause, because people are complex balls of walking circumstance and choice. But genetics does play a factor.

33%?! Damn, that's a fairly compelling statistic.

 

[happyninja42]

What are the odds of them both being trans? I assume genetics is a factor here but to be honest, I don't know a damn thing about the underlying causes of transsexuality.

No one does. It's in the brain, and we don't know shit about why or how the brain does what it does.

I hope Ms. Wachowski is happy as a woman, and I hope being outed like this wasn't too traumatic.

I....don't think that's entirely accurate. "We don't know shit about why or how the brain does what it does" ?? I think the entire field of neuroscience would have strong things to say on the statement that "they don't know what they're doing." We know a lot about why/how the brain does what it does. Not everything sure, but to say we know nothing is kind of silly.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

33%?! Damn, that's a fairly compelling statistic.

That's monozygotic twins, by the way. The Wachowski sisters are born 2 years apart.

 

[Something Amyss]

What are the odds of them both being trans? I assume genetics is a factor here but to be honest, I don't know a damn thing about the underlying causes of trans-sexuality.

We don't really know the odds of trans individuals in the first place, especially since we're talking about a stigmatised group and reliance on self-reporting. But PaulH did point out a statistically increased chance, and that's true. The odds are a lot better. Just not guaranteed.

I always just used the generic "The Wachowski's", it doesn't have any gender tied to it, but you still know who you are talking about "The people who made the Matrix."

Also, that's how they were branded between Lana coming out and Lilly doing so. Are they the Wachowski Sisters now? Don't know.

I thought this sister was a 3rd sibling? Not the sibling who also made the Matrix? Did 3 of them make the Matrix or are there just 2 siblings and so the other one is also trans? I know she said she doesn't like talking about her art, but I figured this was some other medium than film.

I honestly don't follow much in the way of Hollywood and don't care about the Wachowskis as filmmakers as Ithin ktheir movies are generally shit. However, it's been reported that this is the co-director of the Matrix, half of the former "brother" team, so I took that as true.

No one does. It's in the brain, and we don't know shit about why or how the brain does what it does.

We know quite a bit about the brain and how it works. We don't know everything, and it wouldn't be a stretch to suggest we know a lot less than we don't, but we definitely do know shit.

...wait....

 

[happyninja42]

I always just used the generic "The Wachowski's", it doesn't have any gender tied to it, but you still know who you are talking about "The people who made the Matrix."

Also, that's how they were branded between Lana coming out and Lilly doing so. Are they the Wachowski Sisters now? Don't know.

Yep, I remember hearing that shortly after she came out, and was like "Ah, yes that works just fine, no gender slipups at all"

I thought this sister was a 3rd sibling? Not the sibling who also made the Matrix? Did 3 of them make the Matrix or are there just 2 siblings and so the other one is also trans? I know she said she doesn't like talking about her art, but I figured this was some other medium than film.

I honestly don't follow much in the way of Hollywood and don't care about the Wachowskis as filmmakers as Ithin ktheir movies are generally shit. However, it's been reported that this is the co-director of the Matrix, half of the former "brother" team, so I took that as true.

Yeah, I didn't actually read the article, so I missed the bit where they specified it was the other half of the Matrix duo. As to the quality of their work, I'm sort of middle of the road with them. I loved, and still love the original Matrix movie, as it had some parts that to this day, stir my emotions. Plus it was just fun to watch. The sequels, eh, they had a few parts that were cool bits, but they were mostly "bad movies with a few good bits" not "good movies with a few bad bits". I originally hated V for Vendetta, but looking back, I'm convinced it was due to Matrix burnout when I saw it in the theaters. Since then, I've come to enjoy the movie a lot, and find it to be much better than I first imagined. Beyond that....*thinks* I'm not sure if I've seen any other movies that they've done. I am a huge fan of Sense8, which I know they are writers and exec producers, buuuut, J. Michael Stracinzki is also a writer/exec producer, and I personally think he's doing the lion's share of the script writing, so that might be why I love it so much. But I enjoy the show a lot, and I'm confident the Wachowski's have a significant contribution to it. So I will give them props there. BTW, if you haven't seen Sense8, I'd suggest giving it a look. It's not for everyone, but there are a lot of elements of that show that just hit all my Fun Buttons in my brain, like a monkey with a bone in front of an obilisk , smacking an animal skull.....I think that analogy got away from me. It's good, I like it, that's what I'm trying to say here. xD It makes me cry with laughter, and awesomeness, though not sadness, few movies do that to me. Anyway, I'm done gushing about Sense8 xD

No one does. It's in the brain, and we don't know shit about why or how the brain does what it does.

We know quite a bit about the brain and how it works. We don't know everything, and it wouldn't be a stretch to suggest we know a lot less than we don't, but we definitely do know shit.

...wait....

That's what she said! (she being you in this case) Also what I said! xD

 

[Mikeybb]

*snippo* now I need to give up the modern interpretation of Plato's Cave? Fucking aye.

Quoting to share a feeling of loss at having the whole red/blue pill analogy stolen.

You've probably picked up by now from other posters that The Daily Mail is a rag of the lowest quality.
I've known people of what I'd describe as politically conservative describe it as "a comic" rather than a source of news.
A bad comic at that.
Not fit for emergency toilet paper.
Attempting to use it as such may seem appropriate, but believe me you'd end up with worse things stuck to you if you did.

 

[Lightknight]

Was she presenting as female outside the home? I'm unsure how the daily mail caught wind of this otherwise and if she was presenting outside the home then a famous star may as well be coming out when that happens. Public presentation is grounds for reporting. Finding it out via non-public means is generally not okay to publish on ethical grounds but is still something a great amount of discussion is given in journalism circles. At least, that's the general ethics on the matter. I'm assuming that the same rules which apply to outing someone as gay apply here as well. If acted on in public then it's fair ground but if pretty private then you reach out to the person first.

I mean, I'm pro trans but this story has some one-sided holes in it. Still, if the daily mail has been demonizing others like that teacher, then yeah, fuck em. But I'd like some better info on the topic. One reporter being a dick doesn't necessarily mean this other one was going to be.

Again, I'm willing to jump on this bandwagon but it seems like a reporter came to her house and wanted to interview her about what he called an inspirational story. If he's being honest then that's not bad. If he's just saying shit to trick her then what a scum bag.

Didn't the founder of that rag stand up for Hitler? Filthy tabloid.

Stand up for him how? Like for his national programs that brought Germany out of a depression or for his insane genocidal practices? Because standing up for one is very different than standing up for the other and society wasn't entirely aware of the latter part until the end.

How old is this thing? The paper I mean? Strange to hear a paper that has existed for that long would just be a tabloid.

 

[happyninja42]

What are the odds of them both being trans? I assume genetics is a factor here but to be honest, I don't know a damn thing about the underlying causes of trans-sexuality.

Nobody really knows for certain but like I already stated, if one sibling has an atypical conditioning odds are the other sibling does too. Lana and Lily aren't twins but its higest among identical twins. I already mentioned that if one identical twin boy isn't straight odds are the other isn't straight as well is about 50/50. Among non-identical twins is something like 20% and just plain 10% if they're not twins at all so there is a higher rate of occurance there as well with many other things. Its not like two siblings being transgender is unheard of either. I can think of at least four others off the top of my head, though none of them famous. The closest to one bieng well-known is that there was an article about them in a queer rag sometime last year or the year before. It should be noted that such a thing isn't necessarily the result of genetics either. Nobody knows for certain but its not unreasonable to suspect that the stages of foetal development in the womb might have a hand in it in at least some instances.

I was listening to an episode of the Skeptic's Guide to the Universe, and the female podder they have in their cast (I forget her name as I don't really listen to it anymore), she's a scientist of some degree, I forget which. I'm thinking genetics, but I could be way off there. Anyway, I'm rambling, she did a breakdown of what the most recent evidence suggests about homosexuality in particular. The subject was some conservative organization in Australia (I think the Salvation Army?), wasn't allowing gays to help them or something, and she went into a breakdown of why their argument was bunk, explaining that a lot of it seems to be based on fetal development, and what hormones/other stuff, and at what levels the fetus is exposed to during development. That while it's not a 100% guarantee, the evidence does strongly suggest that a lot of the internal wiring for sexuality, gender identity is in the womb, and determined by how much of what stuff you get cooked in.

 

[Silvanus]

Didn't the founder of that rag stand up for Hitler? Filthy tabloid.

Not the founder (who died in the twenties), but the paper did indeed run pieces sympathetic to fascism prior to WWII.

 

[shrekfan246]

Everybody's sat here saying their movies suck, and I'm just like, "Cloud Atlas was one of my favorite movies of 2012".

Now, sure, there were three directors for that movie, but they were still two-thirds of that team. Though I guess a lot of people weren't fond of it, either?

Anyway, another thing to add to the list of awfulness perpetrated by the Faily Dale. I'd say I'm surprised they're still around, but then I look at the current situation the US is in and I'm just sad in general. I was surprised to hear that two siblings are both trans, but I gotta figure it would be statistically more likely if there's some sort of genetic factor behind everything. Hopefully she doesn't start getting loads of harassment off of this, and I really hope that with more relatively high-profile trans people coming out society can start bucking the stupid stigmas it's built up.

Not that I hold a lot of faith, but I can dream.

 

[happyninja42]

Everybody's sat here saying their movies suck, and I'm just like, "Cloud Atlas was one of my favorite movies of 2012".

Not everyone has said that. I for one, specifically said that I liked some of their work, some of it I like quite a lot. Some of it, not so much. They're a hit/miss style of storytelling team for me. Though granted I haven't seen all of their work. I havent' seen Cloud Atlas, though I like the concept behind it as much as I know about it. I haven't seen Jupiter Ascending (and won't), but most of what I have seen, was pretty ok. They get about a 6/10, 7/10 rating for me, as far as "average likelihood I will enjoy the movie more than dislike it".