Unfortunately, I have some bad news. Total Biscuit seems to have had a cancer relapse...

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I'd like to take a moment to increase some understanding. Cancer, when treated, isn't gone. It's in remission. As in, it's still there but isn't growing. Cancer doesn't go away, you beat it by living your life.

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Was just listening to the co-optional podcast last night...

Man, this fucking sucks.

I don't agree with him on everything and the dude can be a bit of a (lovable) ponce, but this is just bullshit. It means jack coming from some random avatar on the internet, yet, still...good fucking luck, John.

Hopefully another round of chemo (which is just horrific by itself, I remember my mom's treatments...not fun) will sort things out, at least temporarily?

Further:

Fuck. Cancer.
 

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Lots of misinformation building up in this thread...


PaulH said:
Beating cancer often isn't so much as targeting the cells but basically making the body learn how to deal with it itself.

All of us 'beat cancer' repeatedly, each year. It's just that some people are predisposed to either not fighting it so well, or simply producing more damaged cells, or a simple, horrible, twist of fate that allows a cancerous cell to go unmolested by the body's immune system. Hence why a decent diet that supports the body's immune system can often evade cancer alltogether. Eat crap over your lifetime, expect a higher chance of cancer. Kind of a downer, really.
This is incorrect. Radiotherapy is a direct treatment applied to cancerous tissue, chemotherapy targets fast dividing cells (such as cancer), surgery physically cuts the cancer out.

There ARE immunotherapy methods being developed, I believe, but they're firstly relatively new and secondly a little more complicated than you make out. You are massively overplaying the involvement of the immune system in cancer treatment. Many cells regularly suicide when damaged in a process called apoptosis, this is not an immune response, failure of this can result in cancer.


It's better to have the body generate its own immune response than merely directly operate on tumours of the body. Or you'd need to go into surgery constantly, which is ultimately worse for your health than improving the body's own systems of homeostasis. Hopefully non-invasive treatments jumpstart the immune system.
This is also incorrect. The whole point of surgery is to cut out the cancer. IF the tumour is operable and IF it has not metastasized you can very well potentially remove the cancer entirely.


MCerberus said:
I'd like to take a moment to increase some understanding. Cancer, when treated, isn't gone. It's in remission. As in, it's still there but isn't growing. Cancer doesn't go away, you beat it by living your life.
As stated above in theory if you can outright cut the tumour out in its entirety and it has not metastasized then you absolutely can get rid of cancer entirely. Unfortunately that's not the easiest thing to do when you're talking about tumours growing on key organs. Also its incredibly difficult to actually ever be certain that it really has gone entirely and that there was no metastasis.
 

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Lightspeaker said:
MCerberus said:
I'd like to take a moment to increase some understanding. Cancer, when treated, isn't gone. It's in remission. As in, it's still there but isn't growing. Cancer doesn't go away, you beat it by living your life.
As stated above in theory if you can outright cut the tumour out in its entirety and it has not metastasized then you absolutely can get rid of cancer entirely. Unfortunately that's not the easiest thing to do when you're talking about tumours growing on key organs. Also its incredibly difficult to actually ever be certain that it really has gone entirely and that there was no metastasis.
Individual tumors yes, and perhaps I was playing loose with the term remission. And it doesn't change the fact at all that the genetics and the vast majority of environmental causes have already been done. Even after you're released and on with your life, the overhanging spectre of it will never, ever go away.
 

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This is also incorrect. The whole point of surgery is to cut out the cancer. IF the tumour is operable and IF it has not metastasized you can very well potentially remove the cancer entirely.
Right. That's why it's pivotal to rush to a doctor if there is a sudden change in bowel habits or dark colored blood in stool. If TB went to the doctor sooner they might have been able to remove the tumor and/or part of the colon in an earlier stage decreasing likelihood of metastasis. Colon cancer has a fairly high survival rate if detected early enough. Unfortunately when cancer has spread all you can really do is delay the inevatible.

It's heartbreaking someone has to go through all this. I wish the man the best.
 

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Lightspeaker said:
Source: I'm a Doctor of Molecular Biology. Though as a disclaimer I'm not a cancer researcher (was working on blindness until earlier this year), if there are any around they'll know far more about it than I do.
.....Okay. Seeing it seems you're the one with some medical experience I have to beg as to why it is gotten so advanced.

It all began with a possible pre-cancerous diagnosis then went to Cancer which was apparently "caught early". TB had a biopsy and then went onto chemo/rad therapy, surgery and then remission. And now somehow, at some point it metastasized through lymphatic drainage system into the liver.

Did the doctors fuck-up badly? From the cases bowel cancer that I know of there would local spread from primary tumour at that point.
 

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When I learned that TB already had a serious cancer and remission for a while... I kind of expected cancer to crop up for him again, just not nearly this bad. Everyone I've ever met who had cancer has been through at least two bouts of it.

I wish the best for John Bain, I personally don't like him much, as he comes off a bit "PC master race" like to me, and also because he can be a bit confrontational and rude when people disagree with him... Still no one deserves this kind of cancer bad luck. Hope he can hang on long enough for an actual treatment that will eliminate cancer for good, at least I hope he can hold on long enough to get his affairs in order and keep his family provided for.
 
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BloatedGuppy said:
Most particularly the shoes of "husband" and "father".
Wait, dude has a kid?

Well, fuck.
Technically, stepson. Jenna already had a son when they got together, so he's not TB's biological son, but TB seems to be taking the role of "dad" very seriously and is doing his damndest to be a good parent.

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Did the doctors fuck-up badly? From the cases bowel cancer that I know of there would local spread from primary tumour at that point.
iirc, the original diagnosis was that it was a pre-cancerous growth, but when treatment started it was discovered to be stage 3 colon cancer. They then had to step up the level of treatment and hoped to get ahead of it. Unfortunately, it looks like they didn't.
 

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damn i could cry, why did it happen to TB? why is this happening to people who i care about?

what was done to deserve this?
 

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mad825 said:
.....Okay. Seeing it seems you're the one with some medical experience I have to beg as to why it is gotten so advanced.

It all began with a possible pre-cancerous diagnosis then went to Cancer which was apparently "caught early". TB had a biopsy and then went onto chemo/rad therapy, surgery and then remission. And now somehow, at some point it metastasized through lymphatic drainage system into the liver.

Did the doctors fuck-up badly? From the cases bowel cancer that I know of there would local spread from primary tumour at that point.
If I remember correctly it was Stage 3 when it was caught, which is not "early" by any definition. Depending on where you are in the spectrum of Stage 3 the five year survival rate is anywhere from 90 to 50%. There was some reason for optimism because TB is so young, but with the cancer in his bloodstream now it's just a matter of time.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
but with the cancer in his bloodstream now it's just a matter of time.
Eh, it's most likely to spread to the lungs next then to the rest of the body. I think it's the heart after that then it goes into the bloodstream and goes wherever assuming if his lungs don't give out by then.

Tbh, I didn't know what stage he was at. In bowel cancer, the liver is typically the first sight to spot metastasis and I'm just surprised that TB announced his liver got riddled with multiple metastasis before finding out given the common knowledge.
 

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There's nothing for me to say that hasn't already been said. I'm a fan of his work, and his professionalism in particular. And having lost a loved one to cancer myself, as well as being roughly the same age as him, this hits hard personally.

However, I'm not a Twitter user, so thank you to the OP for sharing this.
 

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Big fan of TB's work, here, and I've had some experience in the matter, what with my father having been diagnosed with and entering remission for Hodgkin's lymphoma. My heart goes out to John and Genna, and I'll just add my voice to the pile of folks telling Bain to beat that fucking disease.

Be the outlier, buddy.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
If I remember correctly it was Stage 3 when it was caught, which is not "early" by any definition.
Holy crap? Stage 3? That's....not early like you said. In fact that's more of a 'you just found out about it before you suddenly dropped dead.' kind of deal. Only difference is that now you have an expiration date for when you...go.

But still there are some cases where the cancer did go into remission....it's just sad, and makes me emotional. It's one thing to hear someone has cancer and you don't know about it. It's another thing when you hear it's someone that you've listened/heard to from time to time and maybe even know them a little bit that it hurts the most.
 

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Just chiming in to say that there is no reason to fret just yet. TB has a very good outlook, as there are many who have beat his condition who just go in now for yearly check ups. Cancer treatment is progressing very rapidly, so the statistics are a bit misleading. The important thing is he is staying positive, and we should all do the same to give him the best chance of beating this thing!
 

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Chris Foy said:
Just chiming in to say that there is no reason to fret just yet. TB has a very good outlook, as there are many who have beat his condition who just go in now for yearly check ups. Cancer treatment is progressing very rapidly, so the statistics are a bit misleading. The important thing is he is staying positive, and we should all do the same to give him the best chance of beating this thing!
TB's outlook, as given to him by his physician just a couple of weeks back, was 2-3 years. That's the prognosis given the treatments available today, not a rough estimation given the last 25-50 years of cancer research. They're not going to give the man a misleading prognosis based on aging or irrelevant data.

There is some slim hope in terms of rapid advances in medical science, and you can always cross your fingers and hope for a breakthrough. His situation isn't technically "hopeless". However, suggesting there is "no reason to fret" is a dramatic understatement. Not two years ago my girlfriend of ten years underwent surgery in which there was a 5% chance of death or life altering complications, and that was a MORE than sufficient statistical likelihood for me to "fret". John Bain's chances of successfully overcoming his cancer during the window he has available to him are significantly dimmer than that.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
Chris Foy said:
Just chiming in to say that there is no reason to fret just yet. TB has a very good outlook, as there are many who have beat his condition who just go in now for yearly check ups. Cancer treatment is progressing very rapidly, so the statistics are a bit misleading. The important thing is he is staying positive, and we should all do the same to give him the best chance of beating this thing!
TB's outlook, as given to him by his physician just a couple of weeks back, was 2-3 years. That's the prognosis given the treatments available today, not a rough estimation given the last 25-50 years of cancer research. They're not going to give the man a misleading prognosis based on aging or irrelevant data.

There is some slim hope in terms of rapid advances in medical science, and you can always cross your fingers and hope for a breakthrough. His situation isn't technically "hopeless". However, suggesting there is "no reason to fret" is a dramatic understatement. Not two years ago my girlfriend of ten years underwent surgery in which there was a 5% chance of death or life altering complications, and that was a MORE than sufficient statistical likelihood for me to "fret". John Bain's chances of successfully overcoming his cancer during the window he has available to him are significantly dimmer than that.
I understand the need to be realistic but I still think there is something to be said about remaining positive about any chances that remain. I see nothing wrong with some people not wanting to "fret" just yet...