UPDATE: Rumor: EA Already Has the 360's Successor, Microsoft to Reveal at E3

[Continuity]

I still think its to early for the next generation of consoles. Can't we give these ones a few more years.

Why?

They're outdated, thats the only reason you ever need to roll to next gen. Besides, apart from outlay cost to the consumer there is no down side.

I'll be happy if they still keep the gamertag system (don't see why they wouldn't) and have backwards compatibility. I would also like to be able to move everything I purchased from LIVE to the new console.

Id think this would be a given. Its basically a PC after all so there's no reason there cant be 100% backward compatibility.

 

[Atmos Duality]

Hopefully not rushing enough to release another unstable console.

Why would we expect anything less from the company that brought us the first commercially-successful major console with a critical hardware failure rate greater than 50%?

The same company that said that they wanted to extend the life of their existing console with yet more motion control gimmicks?

Yeah...they don't want a repeat of the sales disaster that was the Wii. Nintendo needs a new gimmick to retain their momentum and Microsoft certainly doesn't want them to make any more gains; or worse, actually try to compete with them.

the sales disaster that was the Wii?, you mean the record setting 86.01 million units sold sales disaster that was the wii that probably made Nintendo billions, ms prays for a "sales disaster" like that.

Sorry, I meant Microsoft completely missing out on that huge casual market Nintendo found.
Nintendo had wild success, but they did so by completely outmaneuvering their competition.

 

[BloodSquirrel]

OT; I hope they aren't going to release a new console any time soon. I don't want to have to shell out hundreds of euros for a new console after doing the same just 2 years ago.

If it took you that long to get a current gen console, then why would you be expecting to grab a next gen console on release day?

I figure it'll probably be a year between the time they announce the new console and it actually launches. Then probably another year until I buy one. Maybe they'll even finally have some Kinect games that interest me in the meantime.

 

[CrystalShadow]

Why do I have a feeling this means Wii 2.0 (Project Cafe) will once again be the weakest link on the market?

Eh. It'll be a different context though.

The Wii was intentionally weak. (no other way of putting it really.). Project cafe, judging by it's stats isn't going to be all that weak, but if it launches first it'll still end up being the weakest console.

(Look back to the previous generation and you'll see why. The consoles in order of hardware power, from weakest to best are: Dreamcast, PS2, Gamecube, Xbox - Which matches the order of release.
But also note the dreamcast was quite a bit earlier than the others, and much weaker.)

Chances are, with the way things are going, project cafe will be the weak console in the next generation for the same reasons that the Dreamcast was.

 

[imagremlin]

An updated nintendo console makes sense. A new 360 doesn't.

For a new console to be successful it needs to provide a quantum leap in graphics. It needs to make your jaw drop. The last time a console did that was the Dreamcast, the leap from PSX graphics to DC was drool inducing.

The jump from XBOX to XBOX 360 wasn't anywhere near that impressive. Yes, it had HD, but I don't think anyone was blown away. And to achieve that, they had to raise the price - a first on the console marketplace.

A new console right now would offer a even less of a graphics improvement, and would probably need to be fairly expensive, in a post GFC world, thats a risky proposition

Sure, there would be more memory and power to run better physics and AI. But physics and Ai do not a console sell. Graphics do.

Down the line the XBOX and PS3 will hit a wall and will need updating. I don't think we're there yet

 

[MAUSZX]

I don't think microsoft will be that silly, think about it, developers barely make games enough good for Xbox360 there are not much game that could even push everything a 360 or ps3 can, also kinect it has been launched not so long ago, so that would make fans get really really angry

 

[MAUSZX]

Honestly, I'd be completely okay if there wasn't a console in the works. The 360 is still a great console that is still getting groundbreaking titles released for it. Basically, there's still a lot of life left in the xbox

Like? It has Gears 3 to look foward to, and, to be perfecty frank, fuck all else. There's nopthing announced or on the horizon that looks good for the 360.

YOu have a point there, I think microsoft would be stupid if they launch a new console without having more than just 2 franchises (halo and gears) i think they need more exclusives before making a new console

 

[Bek359]

The Kinect hasn't played itself out yet. Microsoft wouldn't sabotage one of their products like that. 360 is still strong and will be for at least a few years.

 

[Signa]

I can't help but feel that if MS or Sony release a new console within 3 years, they will literally destroy the console market by over-saturation. I think Nintendo can still do it though, the Wii is underpowered, and represents a different market than what the 360 and PS3 aim for. Offering an alternative to the Wii still has room in this current gaming market.

Actually, it's fucking genius of Nintendo, because they are basically holding the whole console market hostage, by daring the other companies to make their move when they know they can't. It can only work in Ninty's favor, and it's going to make them a lot of money as a result. After all, worst case scenario, the market crashes, and you will still have grandmas buying games for their Wii. Ninty wins.

 

[Random berk]

OT; I hope they aren't going to release a new console any time soon. I don't want to have to shell out hundreds of euros for a new console after doing the same just 2 years ago.

If it took you that long to get a current gen console, then why would you be expecting to grab a next gen console on release day?

I figure it'll probably be a year between the time they announce the new console and it actually launches. Then probably another year until I buy one. Maybe they'll even finally have some Kinect games that interest me in the meantime.

I probably wouldn't get it immediately, but once the new console comes out, they'll start making all the new games for that, so eventually if I want to buy new games I'll have to get the new console.

 

[CrystalShadow]

Why do I have a feeling this means Wii 2.0 (Project Cafe) will once again be the weakest link on the market?

Eh. It'll be a different context though.

The Wii was intentionally weak. (no other way of putting it really.). Project cafe, judging by it's stats isn't going to be all that weak, but if it launches first it'll still end up being the weakest console.

(Look back to the previous generation and you'll see why. The consoles in order of hardware power, from weakest to best are: Dreamcast, PS2, Gamecube, Xbox - Which matches the order of release.
But also note the dreamcast was quite a bit earlier than the others, and much weaker.)

Chances are, with the way things are going, project cafe will be the weak console in the next generation for the same reasons that the Dreamcast was.

Yes, but remember that the Dreamcast was also signifigantly more powerful than the Ps1 or N64. Cafe is still less powerful than the Ps3. Its still staying one generation behind.

Sorry, but I'm not seeing it. The PS3's power is over-rated.

Sure the Cell processor makes comparisons awkward, but it's generally the graphics hardware that determines a Gaming system's power.
And The PS3 has, essentially, an Nvidia 7800 powering it.
Project Cafe's specs aren't known with all that much precision, but I can tell you that the rumoured specs being less powerful than a ps3 is a bit of a dubious claim.
Radeon HD4000 series graphics are, uh, 3 generations more recent than the basis of the PS3's graphics hardware, and at that point, even mid-range parts match what used to be high-end performance.

The Cell processor is the great unknown, but that can't have that much of an impact, because then the gap between the 360 & PS3 would be much more obvious than it is.

 

[Nomanslander]

I refuse to believe Microsoft has the balls to rush its next console as well.

Please don't make this be the case, or else I will choke a cat.

and I'll help ye...-_-

Honestly sometimes I wish Microsoft never entered the console wars. If anything they needed to release the DirectXbox unlike the disappointment we got anyways. Well the first Xbox I guess wasn't so bad, as for the 360 and how it's raised a mass of moronic douchbag gamers willing to dish out any amount of money, buy a a 360 7x and still defend it's shitty hardware because they think they're getting the best service in the market.

Fuck it and...AHHH, my anti-Microsoft side is coming out again...-_-

 

[BloodSquirrel]

Which is why stuff like Uncharted 3 and Killzone 3 doesn't keep looking better and better, meaning your understanding of graphics technology and reality aren't incompatable.

Oh wait....

The power of hardware is in the results, all others are simply redundant by the way you measure it.

It's amazing to see people who clearly lack any kind of technical knowledge still parroting Sony marketing with such gusto after all these years. Behold the magical powers of the Cell!

 

[BloodSquirrel]

Marketting, the actual results and the games that use them and thus the reality of the discussion - I can see how you could get confused about those two.

You mean the actual results that PC hardware and graphics have left the PS3 in the dust a long time ago, or the "actual results" that you're going to sit here all day and claim that Uncharted 3 looks better than Crysis?