On the contrary, I'd say the corporation forcing itself upon free speech for no good reason looks pretty bad here.But who am I kidding, the rights of individual human beings were bought out a long time ago.
Update: TVTropes Deletes All Rape Tropes
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I'm not disappointed in TVTropes. Your sites survival or a lot of work and hassle about a controversial subject?
Donations wouldn't have worked, Google was giving the site marks. Fair enough, clean it up.
Sad about Google though, I would have thought TV Tropes is big enough to get some beyond bot treatment on the issue
Remember Google weren't asking the content to be censored, just stating that the content meant the site ranked as explicit and so received less advertising money. 'Reading something causes you to act on it' wasn't involved.
All the same, although I could see companies not wanting their advertisements to appear on articles discussing rape (not necessarily the cleanest of connotations) and I can see why discussion of rape would be labelled as adult-appropriate content, I feel that Google should have made exceptions in their policy and treated this with more weight and wisdom
Donations wouldn't have worked, Google was giving the site marks. Fair enough, clean it up.
Sad about Google though, I would have thought TV Tropes is big enough to get some beyond bot treatment on the issue
This wasn't a moral decision from Google. All it was is that Google rates sites according to their suitability for people, and it seems fair enough that sites which discuss rape would be labelled as unsuitable for 5 yr olds or whatever. So their's less demograhic => less money fro adverts.Eternal_Lament said:
Remember Google weren't asking the content to be censored, just stating that the content meant the site ranked as explicit and so received less advertising money. 'Reading something causes you to act on it' wasn't involved.
All the same, although I could see companies not wanting their advertisements to appear on articles discussing rape (not necessarily the cleanest of connotations) and I can see why discussion of rape would be labelled as adult-appropriate content, I feel that Google should have made exceptions in their policy and treated this with more weight and wisdom
I'll keep saying this, it's the Tropers own fucking fault that they couldn't handle the subject material in a mature manner. See CrazyGogg's videos for more examples of why the users are pretty much scum. It they could write articles without sperging over more squicky and uncomfortable subject material like it was their own personal fetish diary.
Fuck them. Eddie is a moron and a terrible coder, his moderators are just as bad as his pervert users. Burn the place to the ground.
Fuck them. Eddie is a moron and a terrible coder, his moderators are just as bad as his pervert users. Burn the place to the ground.
It's all spiralled out of the perfect storm of the Hitman trailer, the Tomb Raider E3 trailer and the Tropes vs Women Kickstarter. I think it's some sort of mass psychosis that sweeps the internet every so often.Eternal_Lament said:
Personally, although I posted frequently on the Tomb Raider discussions for a while, and there has been some good reading come out of it, I'm hoping this storm blows over sooner rather than later. It's all getting a bit much.
OT: Interesting to see good old capitalist greed 'cleaning up' the internet once more. I seem to recall Encyclopedia Dramatica had to cull its content a while back for much the same reason. Whilst Tropers will no doubt cringe at the comparison I'm not sure much of value is being lost.
That said, it's still an overly simplistic approach. Taking a broader view than merely TvTropes, a problem doesn't go away just because you don't talk about it.
That's like burning your entire lawn because you found a few weeds. Further, the community is still there. It doesn't just disappear because the articles that have rape in their title are gone. All this does is ruin things for everyone, because a) several people NOT part of the community that was being targeted are still losing out and are essentially being punished for things they didn't do, and b) now that these articles have been taken down any arguments from the targeted community that say people take rape too seriously are now validated in some way, in turn validating the very community that was being condemned.him over there said:
This. The decision to take out the stuff like troper tales/fetish fuel/rape tropes*/etc. is just dealing with symptoms.Soviet Heavy said:
[small]*although IMO there is a legitimate criticism raised against this last one being removed by Geek Feminism et al.[/small]
What is with all this rape talk nowadays? Did I miss something important?
Don't get me wrong, rape is an absolutely terrible crime but so is Pedophilia and I still laugh at the odd Pedobear meme or three. Has it really come to the stage right now where the mere mention of the word rape brings down the wrath of Asura?
Don't get me wrong, rape is an absolutely terrible crime but so is Pedophilia and I still laugh at the odd Pedobear meme or three. Has it really come to the stage right now where the mere mention of the word rape brings down the wrath of Asura?
The question I'd have next though is why are only articles with rape in the title taken down? Drugs, torture, and murder and are probably just as unsuitable for a 5 year old as rape is, yet all that stuff is still there. It just seems so reactionary, it's hard to see this as a business decision based on negotiation and forecasting and more on just trying to get it over with as soon as possible.BrotherRool said:
In some ways I both want it to move on but to also just stay put. On the one hand I think we have enough material for now that we can just create a long form discussion, and that all this other stuff is sort of just flooding things a bit much. On the other hand, I'm almost worried about next month's topic is going to be that it ends up eclipsing this one.Sixcess said:
This is just a taste of the cyclical arguments that have culminated in the purging of Rape Tropes.
As much as I hate Fast Eddie for being so incompetent, I have to love when he takes things into his own hands and shits on the creeps he un-ironically considers his users. I haven't checked Content Violations for a while, but I can just imagine how many crying pedos and closet rapists are screaming THOUGHTCRIME! and ORWELLIAN! at the loss of their precious wank indexes.
As much as I hate Fast Eddie for being so incompetent, I have to love when he takes things into his own hands and shits on the creeps he un-ironically considers his users. I haven't checked Content Violations for a while, but I can just imagine how many crying pedos and closet rapists are screaming THOUGHTCRIME! and ORWELLIAN! at the loss of their precious wank indexes.
This is a separate event - basically advertisers were not comfortable with the situation, and TVTropes pulled the pages to maintain funding. They almost definitely wouldn't have done this otherwise, because the TVTropes community is basically GSF1 [http://www.plausiblydeniable.com/opinion/gsf.html] taken to horrifying extremes.Baron von Blitztank said:
Oh, for the love of God, people. The tropes haven't been deleted, they're just in the process of talking it over with Google and/or modifying the pages to fit guidelines. They'll be back in a few days. Chill out.
It's not so much the murder and things like that I have a problem with but I'm confused why the other sexually related stuff hasn't caused an 'explicit' rating. I don't think murder etc is normally rated as explicit and in any case both through the reality of the action and cultural consciousness death is much more acceptable than rape. Perhaps torture should be an issue too, but that's got a military twinge, you get stuff like 24 which glorifies torture in a way that doesn't happen with rape.Eternal_Lament said:
Hmmm, actually considering that, rape is probably _the_ most explicit content you could have. It's completely objectionable in every form, it's both violent and sexual and has a harsher affect than almost everything else in both those categories.
I dun buy it. Fast Eddie has been an awful host for quite some time. Why there hasn't been an exodus of tropers to set up a sensibly run site is beyond me.
Please, no. Imagine this [http://www.scribd.com/doc/79226017/Anime-is-the-Tie-that-Binds-Us] but with grimdarkrapegrimdark instead of anime.rhizhim said: