UPDATE: Victim Jailed for Resisting Burglar, Burglar Set Free

[Marik2]

Since the man is a millionaire can't he just pay the bail?

That isn't really the point.

I know, but still isn't that what rich people do, just pay it off?

 

[Marik2]

Since the man is a millionaire can't he just pay the bail?

Bail is just collateral for making sure that the defendant will show up to court. Paying obscene amounts money doesn't absolve you of a crime.

OT: He beat a man on the ground to the point of brain damage, of course he should be tried.

Oh I never knew that. I just assume rich people pay off whatever they did wrong in the eyes of the court and call it a day.

 

[Nevyrmoore]

Since the man is a millionaire can't he just pay the bail?

That isn't really the point.

I know, but still isn't that what rich people do, just pay it off?

Bail only lets you out of jail on the understanding that you'll return for a trial. It doesn't take effect here.

Even more so when you consider that you don't have to pay anyone to be released on bail in England and Wales.

 

[Rancid0ffspring]

Or more likely come back looking for revenge & this time instead of threatening to kill just skip to the main show.
You say the rules cannot be applied neatly? WTF? These rules are there to stop this kind of thing from happening & should someone be stupid enough to break them, be punished for it. The owner of the house used excessive force & has created a burden on the state & in turn on us as taxpayers & is being punished for it.

I et what you are saying but like I said a line must be drawn

So when they break in again dont waste time with "self defence technicalities" shoot him in the face, im sorry that the taxpayer is picking up teh burden here and if I had my way he wouldnt be alive anymore. Even that he is he shoudl not be entitled to state support let his now retarded ass rot in a chair for all i care, once your at the point of 50 previous charges and threatening children with knives who the fuck needs you anymore.

The problem with the rules is they DONT prevent his kind of crime on any reasonable scale, it shoud still be a tragedy when somebody is gunned down not a footnote in the paper next to the other people who were gunned down that week. You want the law to punish them? the law didnt even catch the other two who got away and now that mans sick wife and children are in that home defenceless if they should come looking for revenge.

Revenge for f*****g up their friend? Probably yes. Wouldn't have needed to worry about that though if they had shown some restraint. Also who are you to decide who lives or dies? No one has that right & if you think you do, you better hope you never find yourself judged by another person who thinks so because innocent or not you'd look pretty stupid!

Like I said in MY OP. I don't know how I'd react, It's a tough situation but they simply can't be allowed to get away with what is a crime. He was FLEEING. How much of a threat is a man that is fleeing? you are creating more danger for yourself & your family by antagonising the situation.

This is the exact thing that we pay the police for so we don't have to put ourselves in danger!

 

[park92]

actually you can be sued for saving someone's life in canada too lolz so what's the moral of the story: if someone is choking to death pretend you didn't see them

 

[joshthor]

UK sucks. in america you can kill the guy with a chainsaw if he attacks you in your home. (theoretically)

Only in Texas...

there should be a movie based on that...it could be like... texas chainsaw murder... or something like that.

 

[FYIImASpy22]

Moral of the story:

Dont steal from Saxton Hale.

 

[Marik2]

Since the man is a millionaire can't he just pay the bail?

That isn't really the point.

I know, but still isn't that what rich people do, just pay it off?

Bail only lets you out of jail on the understanding that you'll return for a trial. It doesn't take effect here.

Even more so when you consider that you don't have to pay anyone to be released on bail in England and Wales.

Oh thanks for clearing that up.

 

[JWAN]

he should have just killed him, that's what Ive learned

dead bodies cant sue.

 

[Viper1265]

While this isn't as bad as other cases of criminals winning that I've heard of, (like a burglar being trapped in a house for several days and successfully sueing the owner who was on vacation) I really dont think crimanals should get any sympathy for injuries they recive "on the job." I do think the victims may have been a little over zealous, but the man was robbing their house and threatening to kill them, he DESERVED to get his ass beat. At the very worst give the victims of the robbery a proverbial slap on the wrist for their assault and let the criminal out of jail; his brain damage being his punishment.

 

[Epitome]

I am not trying to suggest that the criminal is the "good guy". There is no good guy in this situation. Both people did something horribly wrong. Of course I don't expect the victim to tolerate the actions of the criminal. But that doesn't excuse his behavior.

Your right he should have written him a strongly worded letter then phone the Victim support helpline and maybe filed a complaint with hsi local MP, that will solve the problem.

You seem to be suggesting that he has to take revenge. He doesn't. All he has to do is let the cops deal with this and move on with his life. He could have done that. Instead, he choose the path of unnecessary violence.

I can understand why the man did this. When in a temporary fit of anger and rage, people will do crazy thing. But you can't let people get away with these crimes because of it. Nobody ever profits from revenge.

Its not revenge, he must make sure this man who has proven a threat is neutralised, not just now but long term. The criminal in question had 50 priors, the police still havent caught either of the two men who were with him. There is a difference between unnecesssary violence and ensuring future safety, we had a case here in ireland where a man who had previously been burgled several times by the same group of people snapped one day and shot him, the man who was shot fled, the homeowner reloaded his gun and went down the street after him and finished the job. Appeals Court ruled self-defence because these men would have come back.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/1215/nallyp.html

 

[Simon Hadow]

This would be at least JUSTIFIABLE, if they hadn't let the burglar with just a slap on the wrist. I'm not going to "Blame" any one person or group for this, but I'm going to point to the slow erosion of society as a whole from constant in-fighting.

 

[Nmil-ek]

Frankly if you condone beating someone to the point of brain damage irregardless of the crime then you are absolutley no better than the criminal, sounds like they got the guy down 2 on 1 and started to go to fucking town thats not brave, smart or just. You beat a guy to that point even under duress of stress, fear you have failed yourself we don't live in a middle fucking ages country you want to celibrate people beating each other to near death over crimes go to Saudi Arebia and do the genepool a favour.

 

[Akai Shizuku]

Thanks England, for setting the bar high in the 'who is most divorced from reality' legal system!

Don't forget! Us Scottish and the Welsh are also affected by this kind of law.

This kind of thing wouldn't roll a thousand years ago. Somebody broke into your land, you could beat the shit out of him and set him on fire while the authorities watched and helped.

It's here in Canada too.

I think our Queen needs to change this herself for all the sixteen states under her command.

 

[Asturiel]

They both commited crimes both should be punished. Not who got hurt harder both are criminals, he may have been defending himself and proving something but the guy isnt going to learn from that mistake now is he? They both are law breakers in my book the justice system there fucked up big time.

Or the robber had one good lawyer as was said.

 

[Akai Shizuku]

Frankly if you condone beating someone to the point of brain damage irregardless of the crime then you are absolutley no better than the criminal, sounds like they got the guy down 2 on 1 and started to go to fucking town thats not brave, smart or just. You beat a guy to that point even under duress of stress, fear you have failed yourself we don't live in a middle fucking ages country you want to celibrate people beating each other to near death over crimes go to Saudi Arebia and do the genepool a favour.

Learn to spell and do the gene pool a favor.

Also, if you don't go to freaking town on the guys, you end up getting a knife in your face.

 

[BNguyen]

I think vigilantism is better that the current laws that we have.
Most cops are incompetent, from what I've seen they only seem to do their jobs well when they're in front of a camera.
If you feel as if your life is in danger by another person, you should have the right to inflict that level of fear back onto that person.
This is the kind of thing that makes me wish death notes were real.

 

[oppp7]

I'm getting tired of people treating criminals like people in need. They are not functioning members of society and should not get better treatment than those that are.

 

[Akai Shizuku]

I think vigilantism is better that the current laws that we have.
Most cops are incompetent, from what I've seen they only seem to do their jobs well when they're in front of a camera.
If you feel as if your life is in danger by another person, you should have the right to inflict that level of fear back onto that person.
This is the kind of thing that makes me wish death notes were real.

This, sir, is made of epic win.

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