US military to allow women in direct combat

[wulf3n]

Like men being prone to trying in vain to save a fatally wounded female soldier than an only moderately wounded male one.

Wasn't that from G.I. Jane? I guess it could be from a real study.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Honestly... this makes me happy.

I was listening to Mark Levin on the radio the other day... and he was bitching about how he doesn't want America to be the country that sends their daughters off to war. His whole idea being he didn't want to see women shot, killed, murdered, raped behind enemy lines.

Now that's chuvanistic thinking. It is. But I can understand it to an extent, the intention is well.

but I also believe in a truly free society. And freedom some times means we have to take on burdens we don't like. No I don't truly like the idea of women on the lines of front line combat at heart because it's hard enough for me to know all the dead men, and selfishly I don't want to be subjected to know of the dead women.

Has to be done. It's the right thing to do.

 

[Ryotknife]

are put up on a pedestal of all that is good and glorious in the media and men are demonized as dumb animals
.

let me explain somthing to you ..even if it is incredibly difficult for you to understand

women.......also......get.....treated.....negativly......in....media..did you get that?...was it too fast? ok I'll slow it down

WOMEN

ALSO

GET

TREATED

NEGATIVLY

IN MEDIA

women are over-sexualized, yes, but they are not demonized like men are. and even then, we are seeing improvements on that front for women while it is getting worse for men (and will continue to get worse for at least another decade).

It is getting to the point in movies/shows/commercials that if it has men who are level headed or painted in a good light and treats women in the opposite context im floored. And there is only ONE commercial ive seen in years that has done this. And it was for mouthwash. I was surprised as they had two test subjects (one male, one female) and the male had the cleaner mouth in the commercial. The vast majority of the time it would be the woman under similiar circumstances.

And before you think im going to blame women for that, it is not their fault. It is merely a natural reaction, at least here in the US. We go overboard to the extreme, and sometimes this causes problems. It is not specific to gender or race either.

EDIT: now dont get me wrong, media that has strong intelligent women and big dumb, immature, good intentioned but over his head men portrayal in itself is not wrong. In fact it can be quite funny. It is the rampant oversaturation of this theme. Men are now being shamed by society and media for having the gall to be born a man. And in the short term, i can understand this as a neccessity. But it is getting a bit silly now, and it is only going to get worse.

but like ive said, men and women have different advantages and disadvantages, but both have it about the same.

 

[Scorpid]

EDIT: D'oh.... oh well

 

[Scorpid]

This is bad news...
Poor gals already have it bad as it is, now some will be stuck in nowhere with a group of guys on patrol. Sexual harassment and rape will go through the roof.
I'm not personally against women in fighting roles, but the prospects are frightening.

general sexual harrasment and such is to be expected..but rape?

give your gender some credit..PLEASE

Yeah umm any soldier that would rape one of his fellow soldiers is not someone an officer would want on the frontline walking through Afghani villages anyway. Beyond that a soldier is expected to control himself and his own sexual urges so I really don't see rape going through the roof. Though rape is a problem in the military I don't think it'll change for the worse. I think I saw some statistic somewhere that said 25%-50% of women in the armed forces claimed to have been victims of some sort sexual harassment I can't remember what the exact number was, but it was FAR too high for anyone to see as acceptable(for lack of a term).
EDIT: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/06/military-sexual-assault-defense-department_n_1834196.html

I think this is the place I got it awhile back

 

[TaboriHK]

Men are now being shamed by society and media for having the gall to be born a man. And in the short term, i can understand this as a neccessity. But it is getting a bit silly now, and it is only going to get worse.

No they aren't. "Dumb guy" is an overused punchline certainly, but no intelligent men are watching that and thinking, "now everyone's gonna think we're dumb!" That's the whole point: the majority has all the rights and privileges, so they view themselves and each other as individuals and NOT representative of their gender/race.

Minorities are represented in media the way this same majority understands them. "Have the women pull up on a bus and do a runway fashion show in the middle of the street, because when they're not eating yogurt, they're thinking about clothes and savings!" Notice there are 45 women in that commercial and they all love shoes, and that's not a punchline. Whenever guys are stupid, it's ALWAYS played for a laugh. You'll never seen ten guys being complete idiots, and that's completely incidental to the advertisement.

 

[Ryotknife]

Men are now being shamed by society and media for having the gall to be born a man. And in the short term, i can understand this as a neccessity. But it is getting a bit silly now, and it is only going to get worse.

No they aren't. "Dumb guy" is an overused punchline certainly, but no intelligent men are watching that and thinking, "now everyone's gonna think we're dumb!" That's the whole point: the majority has all the rights and privileges, so they view themselves and each other as individuals and NOT representative of their gender/race.

Minorities are represented in media the way this same majority understands them. "Have the women pull up on a bus and do a runway fashion show in the middle of the street, because when they're not eating yogurt, they're thinking about clothes and savings!" Notice there are 45 women in that commercial and they all love shoes, and that's not a punchline. Whenever guys are stupid, it's ALWAYS played for a laugh. You'll never seen ten guys being complete idiots, and that's completely incidental to the advertisement.

Except we dont have all of the rights and privledges. We used to, and that was wrong. But now we dont, we still have some, but so do women. Every group has their own problems, and their problems are of equal importance in my eyes and none have it better or worse for the most part (with a few exceptions). About the only group that has it universely better are the rich.

the difference being, i treat both men and women as equals, you dont.

 

[TaboriHK]

Except we dont have all of the rights and privledges. We used to, and that was wrong. But now we dont, we still have some, but so do women. Every group has their own problems, and their problems are of equal importance in my eyes and none have it better or worse for the most part (with a few exceptions). About the only group that has it universely better are the rich.

the difference being, i treat both men and women as equals, you dont.

What exactly can't you do? And how do you know how I treat anyone?

 

[lacktheknack]

Man, those comments...

OT: I don't see the issue. The most capable soldiers should be put on the front lines, male or not.

 

[Ryotknife]

Except we dont have all of the rights and privledges. We used to, and that was wrong. But now we dont, we still have some, but so do women. Every group has their own problems, and their problems are of equal importance in my eyes and none have it better or worse for the most part (with a few exceptions). About the only group that has it universely better are the rich.

the difference being, i treat both men and women as equals, you dont.

What exactly can't you do? And how do you know how I treat anyone?

because of your posts. You get mad at the mention that men and women are both struggling in their own way, instead implying that men are inconsequental. You put women morally above men at every turn, whereas I view them as equal (yet different) because they are both human. Nearly every group is struggling in their own way, but what group you belong to should not be a requirement for the government helping you, just that you needhelp.

Also, there is nothing men and women CANT do. Well, I suppose men cant get pregnant, but i hope that is not the crux of your argumen.

 

[aelreth]

It's a good thing, and long overdue. Many countries have already introduced gender equality in military matters, and it works.


One thing Americans should also realise, is that the military can't find enough recruits anymore these days. The vast majority of them are way too fat, and that's only going to get worse with the obesity epidemic spreading further. Even if you're opposed to it, one has to acknowledge that.

No, they are looking in the wrong places for recruits.

If you are white, you are put on a waiting list for nearly a year, even longer if you want a specialty school.

Minority and/or a female, check if they have no violent felonys, once they get the minimum ASVAB score, pass a drug test and if female a pregnancy test they are on the bus on the way to basic.

Then again I can only account for two branches of the military based on personal knowledge.

They are also tightening fitness standards in the military to weed out the ones that are currently in.

Back on topic,

While the USCG has been integrated the longest, the rest of the military was told that when the females were first integrated that the same standards would apply.

I just hope this doesn't get more lower enlisted killed (either gender) because a female was put in a position that she was unable to fulfill all it's obligations.

Do any army vets serving or not know the numbers on the number of females that actually deploy to SW asia vs stay behind due to pregnancy?

Also, for any of the leg vets, can you imagine what kinds of health problems a career female in the infantry will have at 45+?

 

[TaboriHK]

because of your posts. You get mad at the mention that men and women are both struggling in their own way, instead implying that men are inconsequental. You put women morally above men at every turn, whereas I view them as equal (yet different) because they are both human.

I am a man. I have some insight into how I'm spoken to as a man. Women are not "morally superior" to men, and I never suggested that. The fact that you can say "separate but equal" with a straight face is really all that needs to be said about your viewpoint.

Also, there is nothing men and women CANT do. Well, I suppose men cant get pregnant, but i hope that is not the crux of your argumen.

I see you've ignored the whole reproductive rights bit.

 

[Sylveria]

I also want mandatory Selective Service registration to extend to women, who've been getting a free ride in this area since the ratification of the 19th Amendment.

They've also been getting 70 cents on the dollar. Women don't get any kind of "free ride" in this country.

When the boat is sinking, and the men are allowed to go first with the children to safety, followed by the women, THEN women can get paid a whole dollar.

Or maybe when misogynistic thinking like yours dies out enough. I think that's the better option.

This is something that's always perturbed me in the "equality" argument. Women get screwed in areas, yes, but they also get benefits in areas over men. The afore-mentioned "women and children" first thing, while not terribly relevant anymore, does exist. There's also things like reproductive rights, men have none and men are usually the villains in the scenario if there is an unwanted pregnancy. It's often the man's "fault" if an unwanted pregnancy occurs yet the father has no say in the matter. The mother can terminate a pregnancy if she wants, the father has no say if he wants the child. Conversely, if the mother wants to keep it and the father doesn't, he's obligated to it for the next 18 years. The concept of financial abortion is pretty widely considered a misogynistic venture since, after all, it's always the father's "fault" if an unwanted pregnancy occurs. It just seems like there's a lot of "We wan't equality. Stop being misogynistic" but the tune changes pretty quick when equality means losing advantages women have that men don't. Then of course there's radical feminism which goes all the way to the other side and thinks men should be the discriminated gender since women are superior. Equality has to work both ways, or it isn't equality.

 

[Vault101]

snip.

what does this have to do with women on the front lines?

also eather or not a women is at an advantage or disadvantage when it comes to unwanted pregnancy is ENTIRLY how you look at it and how the induviduals involved feel

bottom line: use protection..its a pain for everyone

 

[Ryotknife]

because of your posts. You get mad at the mention that men and women are both struggling in their own way, instead implying that men are inconsequental. You put women morally above men at every turn, whereas I view them as equal (yet different) because they are both human.

I am a man. I have some insight into how I'm spoken to as a man. Women are not "morally superior" to men, and I never suggested that. The fact that you can say "separate but equal" with a straight face is really all that needs to be said about your viewpoint.

Also, there is nothing men and women CANT do. Well, I suppose men cant get pregnant, but i hope that is not the crux of your argumen.

I see you've ignored the whole reproductive rights bit.

and im pro-choice. In that situation one of the genders is going to get the short end of the stick either way, so it is not an injustice to the other side. Not to mention there is a rapidly growing human population and diminishing resources. Since one gender has to get the short end, it makes more sense from a rational point of view for males to get it in this case. Morally, it is a grey issue.

in general, i support roe vs wade, it is an okay middle ground for both sides.

Also ONE STATE is ATTEMPTING to do.

 

[Vault101]

. It is the rampant oversaturation of this theme. Men are now being shamed by society and media for having the gall to be born a man. And in the short term, i can understand this as a neccessity. But it is getting a bit silly now, and it is only going to get worse.

but like ive said, men and women have different advantages and disadvantages, but both have it about the same.

I dont buy it....your making it out to be worse than it really is,

you know what? the sterotype "men are imature and goofy and the women takes away his childish things" is insulting for BOTH genders, it makes men out to be stupid and imature for enjoying certain things and makes women out to be shewish harpies who dont know what fun is

 

[Ryotknife]

. It is the rampant oversaturation of this theme. Men are now being shamed by society and media for having the gall to be born a man. And in the short term, i can understand this as a neccessity. But it is getting a bit silly now, and it is only going to get worse.

but like ive said, men and women have different advantages and disadvantages, but both have it about the same.

I dont buy it....your making it out to be worse than it really is,

you know what? the sterotype "men are imature and goofy and the women takes away his childish things" is insulting for BOTH genders, it makes men out to be stupid and imature for enjoying certain things and makes women out to be shewish harpies who dont know what fun is

eh? women are not taking away men's toys in those portrayals. For example here was a commercial while i was watching Castle today on Hulu:

Two newborn babies. Each parent is responsible for one in certain tasks. The father tries his best but does everything wrong and the mother has to show him the proper way to do things. The father has a dopey stupid look on his face while he tries while the mother just shakes her head and smiles and calmly shows him the correct way. And honestly, that is the best general portrayal we can hope for nowadays.

The closest common "theme" i can think of which is similiar to hat you are describing is the media portrayal of marriage where the bride is in a state of bliss while the groom is clutching his chest screaming "what have i done?" while the immature bachelor in him dies, sometimes literally.

or wait, are we talking about Catherine, the game? Because i never played that. Your comment seemed to spark a memory of something Yahtzee said in a review of that game.

 

[TaboriHK]

Also ONE STATE is ATTEMPTING to do.

There are many states that "attempt" to do this "on a regular basis."