USA Customs are policing DVD's now.....

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Christopher Dudgeon

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Got this from J. Michael Straczynski's latest FB post, Have a read and tell me your thoughts on this.

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I ordered some video-editing software from Hitfilm in the UK which also comes with some instructional videos. So a few days later I get a call from FedEx saying that the DVDs were being held at U.S. Customs until I filled out a Video Declaration Form, which she said was now standard practice. Now, I'd never heard of this before, so I called back to ensure that this was indeed FedEx and not someone phishing for information. Had them email me the form.

This is what the form said: "I/we declare the the films/videos contain no obscene or immoral matter, nor any matter advocating or urging treason or insurrection against the United States, nor any threat to take the life of or inflict bodily harm upon any person in the United States."

Now, the first clause I can kinda see, though "immoral" is weird and there's no standard definition of obscenity in the US, but let that go...what made my eyebrows go up my forehead and down the other side was clause two. So I called back the nice lady at FedEx -- who was only following instructions given to her by Customs -- and asked what this was all about.

Apparently -- and this is only her understanding of the situation -- this is a new thing being done by Customs and Homeland Security with FedEx, UPS, and other carriers to make sure that films and videos with ideas or stories that were at odds with the United States Government didn't get into the country, as it was a form of terrorism (as further elaborated upon in the third and final clause.) She added that some DVDs showing Occupy events in London and elsewhere had gotten bounced because of the concern that these were being used to coordinate activities here (as if with the internet people actually need physical DVDs for that sort of thing but that's neither here nor there).

Under this new stipulation, if V for Vendetta had, for instance, been produced in the UK (instead of just filmed there), importing it into the US would be considered subject matter "advocating or urging treason or insurrection." And if you lied about it on the form, you could be held liable for this.

So there are now very literally guardians at the gate ensuring that the wrong sorts of ideas, movies or DVDs are not allowed into the country without investigation and/or prosecution. And most pernicious of all, they don't actually define what they mean by advocating treason or insurrection, any more than they define what "immoral" means, it's whatever they decide it means, so you could be breaking the law without knowing you're doing it, until they decide you're doing it.

Thoughts?
 

JesterRaiin

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Christopher Dudgeon said:
Thoughts?
That <link=http://www.rights.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/sickle1.jpg>this was funny. WAS. Now it's very close to reality.
 

seraphy

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Is this really true? Bit of a hard time believing this.

If this indeed is US policy now, then fascism comes to mind.
 

Owyn_Merrilin

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Somehow I doubt this is true, mainly because it's word for word <link=http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002200339>this article from the Democratic Underground, which claims to have come from someone's Facebook friend -- meaning there's no real source and no accountability. If it really is true, my google search would have turned up at the very least a Daily Kos page with a link to the actual US Customs policy. The lack of original sources is a bit telling here; something like this would be a matter of public record, if anyone bothered to look into it.

Edit: Wait, no, there is a link to a primary source in the comments, and it's real. However, it looks like it's not a recent change; there's an exemption for things made before 1993, which suggests this policy is almost 20 years old.
 

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Matthew94 said:
I'm glad I'm in the UK, we're a bit behind you on the crazy curve.
This is very true however more and more the UK is beginning to resemble the USA's submissive girlfriend who will do anything the US tells us to in case we piss them off.
 

Owyn_Merrilin

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Anyway, <link=http://us-code.vlex.com/vid/immoral-articles-importation-prohibited-19194397>here's the text of the law in question, and <link=http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2010-title19/pdf/USCODE-2010-title19-chap4-subtitleII-partI-sec1305.pdf>here's a pdf of the same law from an actual government site, if anyone wants to dispute the plain text copy I found. The real question here isn't whether the law exists, but if it's actually being enforced the way the OP is suggesting. This seems to be a viral "pass it on" type thing on Facebook at the moment, so whether J. Michael Strazynski posted it or not, he probably didn't originate it. I'm really hoping this is the result of someone finding out about the law and jumping to some conclusions about how it would need to be enforced[footnote]Note: there are tons of laws on the books that just aren't enforced, but haven't been removed because that would take more time and money than it's worth. This is especially true when it's a state law that has been found unconstitutional in other states; why spend the time, money, and effort needed to repeal something when you can just decide not to enforce it?[/footnote]. I'll have to keep an eye out now to see if they really are using it the way the OP described, though.
 

The Artificially Prolonged

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I take it American customs have caught all the drug smugglers, human traffickers and illegal immigrants, so they are only after dvds because they now have nothing better to do.
 

Realitycrash

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Really? Immoral? Immoral? Who's morality is going to be the judge of that? Sounds more like the US becoming a fundamentalist-state than a police-state.
 

Helmholtz Watson

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Matthew94 said:
I'm glad I'm in the UK, we're a bit behind you on the crazy curve.
not really, you laws on what people can and can't say(see: holocaust denial and women on train being racist).
 

Canadish

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Dear fucking Christ...they're not even being subtle about it. "Terrorism" indeed.

My sympathies to all those in the US.


inb4 idiots trying to rationalize this and burying their heads in the sand again.
 

Canadamus Prime

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Tubez said:
USA is really turning into a police state..
The interesting thing is, if my history is correct, this is exactly the sort of pattern most empires follow right before they collapse.
 

Woodsey

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Sounds like the declaration you have to make when entering Australia (apparently) about whether or not you're carrying any porn - physical or digital - with you.

Volf99 said:
Matthew94 said:
I'm glad I'm in the UK, we're a bit behind you on the crazy curve.
not really, you laws on what people can and can't say(see: holocaust denial and women on train being racist).
Holocaust denial isn't illegal here, and the rabid racist on the train was picked up for inciting hatred (i.e. she wasn't picked up just because she said doesn't like black people).
 

chimeracreator

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First of all he should file a suit to challenge that law as it is not legal. While there are SOME potential grounds for claiming that materials "advocating or urging treason or insurrection against the United States" is not permitted. The Supreme Court as said time and time again that "obscene" and "immoral" content are NOT valid reasons to censor communication between informed adults. While the label of "obscene" can be used at times to censor content that is provided to children, under no circumstance can it be used when the channel of communication is limited to adults.

TL/DR: This is not Constitutional and should be challenged.
 

Lunar Templar

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Christopher Dudgeon said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Anyway, <link=http://us-code.vlex.com/vid/immoral-articles-importation-prohibited-19194397>here's the text of the law in question, and <link=http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2010-title19/pdf/USCODE-2010-title19-chap4-subtitleII-partI-sec1305.pdf>here's a pdf of the same law from an actual government site, if anyone wants to dispute the plain text copy I found. The real question here isn't whether the law exists, but if it's actually being enforced the way the OP is suggesting. This seems to be a viral "pass it on" type thing on Facebook at the moment, so whether J. Michael Strazynski posted it or not, he probably didn't originate it. I'm really hoping this is the result of someone finding out about the law and jumping to some conclusions about how it would need to be enforced[footnote]Note: there are tons of laws on the books that just aren't enforced, but haven't been removed because that would take more time and money than it's worth. This is especially true when it's a state law that has been found unconstitutional in other states; why spend the time, money, and effort needed to repeal something when you can just decide not to enforce it?[/footnote]. I'll have to keep an eye out now to see if they really are using it the way the OP described, though.
here ya go :D its like a 20 year old law, calm down and move on
 

2fish

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Now to import some terrorist videos so that I can write that paper on extremism. If they are enforcing this I hope they know how stupid it is.

canadamus_prime said:
Tubez said:
USA is really turning into a police state..
The interesting thing is, if my history is correct, this is exactly the sort of pattern most empires follow right before they collapse.
If that's how it plays out I expect you to team up with your Canadian escapist brethren to save your US escapist brethren from evil.