USA - Police State here we come!
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Because you think it's hard for these assholes to rig an election and then say, "You can't prove it was rigged and I win so fuck you!"? Politics in the country is so fucked and has been pretty much since the founding of this country it isn't even funny.mxfox408 said:
Honestly this bill doesn't even surprise me in the least. The last thing the government needs in order to really be able to screws us over hard and long is to be able to arrest anyone who speaks out against them in the name of stopping those damn terrorists.
If Obama gets his figures out where his balls are and manages to veto this bill it'll be the best thing his done during his term as president.
You would'nt know it, but i'm actually moderate-conservative. I hate Democrats as much as Republicans, and i can't stand it when the inept political system wins over personal rights like this.boag said:
For example, Obama backing down on his pledge to veto this: Spineless
God save the Republic....
And my speech saying Deus Ex was going to be the future of America suddenly seems extremely relevant.
Just remember in our Deceleration of Independence: "when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government"
Just remember in our Deceleration of Independence: "when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government"
This is why I don't understand Americans putting so much emphasis on the constitution, or wondering how the UK works without one. Iraq under Sadam had a constitution and look how well that worked out.
A constitution is only as good as those in power let it be. Look at the internment of Japanese Americans, McCarthyism, the patriot act just off the top of my head. The constitution is not worth the paper it's written on. At least the UK version is more honest. Our system says anything is permitted as long as the state does not rule other wise.
A constitution is only as good as those in power let it be. Look at the internment of Japanese Americans, McCarthyism, the patriot act just off the top of my head. The constitution is not worth the paper it's written on. At least the UK version is more honest. Our system says anything is permitted as long as the state does not rule other wise.
It sucks, but whoever thought the federal government isn't capable of putting you in prison for no reason right now hasn't learned their history. Like George Carlin ask a Japanese American who was alive around 1942 to 1945 about what your rights are worth.
OH MY GOD HOW DID WE NEVER THINK OF THAT. You do know that we don't really get to "elect" officials since in order for them to run, they have to have literal fucktons of money? It's not like someone who actually has a political degree can just say "I'm running for Congress" and have any chance of winning. No, you have to be someone who has a lot of money to campaign with (those advertisements don't come free), and last I checked, "someone with a lot of money" doesn't always equate to "good with politics".mxfox408 said:
So no, the American people cannot just point their fingers of judgement in Washington and say "I don't like this" and expect anything new to happen because Congress is full of douchebags with money who each think that they're right, and the people are just complaining because they don't know what's good for them.
I've signed at least four petitions to stop this bastard but my voice is apparently not loud enough to stop this monstrosity from dying in a hole where it belongs.
If worse comes to worse, I hear there are other lovely English speaking countries and I'm always open to experiencing other cultures. I've always felt America has spent the last several years wallowing in it's own waste so something else would be a wonderful change of pace.
If worse comes to worse, I hear there are other lovely English speaking countries and I'm always open to experiencing other cultures. I've always felt America has spent the last several years wallowing in it's own waste so something else would be a wonderful change of pace.
I've known about this since yesterday and I'm honestly pretty frightened. Not because this bill will pass, but because I know for a fact that in a year, nobody will give a flying fuck.
We're slowly losing our freedoms and it's gonna keep happening because nobody cares to remember anything.
Most of my friends just vaguely remember the Patriot Act. My family just shrugs this type of news off. It's like everyone thinks these kind of problems are temporary, or this is all just some big dream.
We're slowly losing our freedoms and it's gonna keep happening because nobody cares to remember anything.
Most of my friends just vaguely remember the Patriot Act. My family just shrugs this type of news off. It's like everyone thinks these kind of problems are temporary, or this is all just some big dream.
This piece of tyrannical bullshit legislation worries me a lot. They are making it so anyone that isn't a government loving bootlicker will be shipped off to one of their FEMA camps when they decided it's convenient. I have really done all I can do to get my congressmen (and women) to vote it down but it appears they just ignore the sane legislation.
Top this off with the fact that US police forces are now starting to deploy Predator UAV's in the states with assistance from the military. Some scary shit is coming down the road for us in the states. Don't worry though, you guys across the pond are definitely in line for the same shit, we're the most recent test bed for it unfortunately.
Top this off with the fact that US police forces are now starting to deploy Predator UAV's in the states with assistance from the military. Some scary shit is coming down the road for us in the states. Don't worry though, you guys across the pond are definitely in line for the same shit, we're the most recent test bed for it unfortunately.
Darth_Dude said:
It passed the senate first, with a 93-7 vote. But I really don't understand why people are all scared and angry about it now. the Patriot act did exactly the same thing for the last 8 years.
"Those who trade essential liberty for a little temporary security deserve neither." We deserve neither after what we have allowed to happen, and we will soon have exactly that.
If Ron Paul wins, our economy will be dead in 3-6 months. I'm sorry, the man has a lot of good ideas, but some of what he wants to do are astronomically bad ideas.Tetranitrophenol said:
And it's not just once they get into office, they are bought and payed for before their name ever touches the balance. If we want real change in this country, we are going to have to elect someone who isn't a politician, which means some kind of huge internet write-in campaign. Personally, I'm writing in an author I know who's ideals I agree with. I know he'll never get elected, but if I don't try I have no right to complain. and I'll also be putting up a youtube video this break trying to convince people to write in non-politicians. Prolly won't accomplish shit, but I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees so to speak.
Wrong. That's not how checks and balances work. It has to get challenged in court all the way up to the supreme court. If it never gets there, it will never be shot down, that's why the patriot act is still around. no one who gave a damn had the money to afford a lawyer all the way up to the supreme court.Timedraven 117 said:Checks and balances form teh supreme court will immediatly say taht this is unconstitutional becasue Aenys the first amendments Life, libertym adn prsuit of happiness. And B: Well fuck americans are already angry with the dipshits we put in congress wait till they get death threats!
and as far as that goes, there was a supreme court case that ruled that a bank can't foreclose on your house 30 or 40 years ago, but it happens every day. The supreme court has never really had as much power as it should have.
A little bit of all of that (yes, even happiness), but mostly shame.Darth_Dude said:
Shock? Yep. It's shocking how much fear and corruption has taken hold of this country. These assholes don't represent us. They represent themselves and the paycheck's they get, plus they blindly follow the loose allegiance to their political parties, not caring to ever check and see if it's right.
Horror? Definitely afraid. Apparently none of these representatives watched any futuristic Distopia movies about being controlled by an all encompassing government. Or maybe they just simply forgot about what Hitler did to Germany?
Apathy, certainly. Kinda falls into shock. It's so unsurprising that they managed to completely neglect us, that it shocks even myself. How long is it before that gay hating bible toting Republican get's into the Whitehouse? What then?
And I do feel happiness. I'm not usually this blunt about it, but people are stupid. Europeans, Americans, you name it. We've alway let our governments control the shit out of us (to use an overused quote, "Governments should be afraid of the people, not people afraid of their governments"). In reality, neither of us is scared of the other anymore. I'd really like to see a revolt against the US government in my lifetime.