Use of the word straight. Just as offensive?

[Fronken]

I wouldn't even say the word "gay" is offensive. It's a lifestyle choice with a title, get over it.

According to every single gay person i have ever known it is NOT a choice, and according to science it is NOT a choice, its something you are born with, you cant help it, only ones who think its a choice is religious fanatics who think that gay people are the scourge of the earth.

So yes, using the word gay is the exact same thing as using the term "black person" or "jew" or "muslim".

And yes, it is offensive if used in the wrong way, its the same thing with all "titles", if used incorrectly they are offensive, but if used with maturity they are acceptable and just another word.

Dude, gay's a choice. You might be born gay but you could totally choose to suppress it. Or, You could be born straight but find women as a personality archetype to be completely insufferable to be around, and therefore get your gun off with men instead, 'cause it's less annoying.

Being a jew or a muslim is a lifestyle choice too by the way. Go and find the "Greek Orthodox gene" and I'll retract that statement.

Call me a religious fanatic again and I swear I'll write a really whiney thread about it. Go on. I dare you. Step to this forum poster's L33T bitching skilz.

By that logic everything is a choice, you can choose to become black or asian through cosmetic surgery, you can choose to become a parapledic through self mutilation instead of being born with a deformity...That logic doesnt work, so saying that being homosexual is a choice is just ignorant, you cant choose what you are attracted to, you cant choose what gets your blood pumping and your willie hard...its NOT a choice.

And while being a certain religion is a choice later in life, what you are born into is NOT a choice, most people who are a part of a certain religion is born into it cause their parents are that religion, so that is partly a choice, but you cant choose what you are born into, thats your parents choice, same thing with birth defects due to alcohol/drugs from the mother, thats not your choice, though you may choose to become retarded later in life by doing really stupid shit and messing up your own brain.

If it was a choice then would you mind explaining why those born homosexual cant perform well with the other sex and live in constant denial of the fact that they are attracted to the same sex?, cause thats the case with every single homosexual person i know, which is 6 guys and 2 girls (that are open about it and i know about).

So not only do i have personal contact with people who all say that it wasnt a choice, not only that, but i also have science on my side, that and every other gay person out there, be they on TV, Radio, Internet or News-papers, they all say the same thing.

So being attracted to the same sex is NOT a choice.

 

[Phoenix Arrow]

The whole "homosexual ACTS are a choice" argument is just as rude and unreasonable as the other argument. Try again.

Ooh, you almost got away with that one. Care to explain why you think homosexuality isn't a choice when there is no scientific evidence to support your view and there is socialological evidence supporting the fact that it's a choice you make, be it consciencely or subconsciencely (I have dyspraxia, excuse my spelling). Hell, I've been through this process myself and know plenty of people in the same boat.
Don't think I'm being aggresive, I actually want to know what you think.

 

[Mizaki]

Well I personally am not homophobic at all, and I hate to hear someone say that because it seems to them that the reason that gay means bad is because its rooted in homophobia means that if I say gay to mean bad, I am a homophobe. Which isn't true.

I do notice that if a guy seems gay in his manner, he will be ridiculed by other guys. If a guy is open about it, no one seems to ridicule him. I think this weakens your link between suggested homophobia and true homophobia.

And as for "****** vs Nigga", I have never heard of such a thing.

1. Why did it have to be a sexuality phrase? Why not another word? I wonder why... hmmm.

2. Both suggested and true are pretty irritating. The link between them is something I don't care about. If I must judge them independently, I will: I dislike them both.

3. You really haven't heard of ****** vs. nigga? What? That's.. interesting. Well, there's this annoying battle where people hate it when the word nigga is used in any way. There's the "it's a degrading term" anti-usage thing and there's the thinly veiled "why can't I say it too" one.

EDIT: @Phoenix Arrow: Though I do not believe it to be a choice, that's not what I was saying with that statement. The issue here is that saying "The act is a choice" is still pretty rude. Of course doing things is a choice. Eating is a choice. Sitting is a choice. So it makes the argument completely irrelevant, and usually the thoughts and feelings that fuel someone to say "the act is a choice" are negative and change the intent AND meaning of the phrase to something mean. However, to just say it to just call out facts is just internet gangsterism.

 

[jamesworkshop]

Using the word straight as a replacement for hetrosexuals is slang anyway

 

[Boxpopper]

Well I personally am not homophobic at all, and I hate to hear someone say that because it seems to them that the reason that gay means bad is because its rooted in homophobia means that if I say gay to mean bad, I am a homophobe. Which isn't true.

I do notice that if a guy seems gay in his manner, he will be ridiculed by other guys. If a guy is open about it, no one seems to ridicule him. I think this weakens your link between suggested homophobia and true homophobia.

And as for "****** vs Nigga", I have never heard of such a thing.

1. Why did it have to be a sexuality phrase? Why not another word? I wonder why... hmmm.

2. Both suggested and true are pretty irritating. The link between them is something I don't care about. If I must judge them independently, I will: I dislike them both.

3. You really haven't heard of ****** vs. nigga? What? That's.. interesting. Well, there's this annoying battle where people hate it when the word nigga is used in any way. There's the "it's a degrading term" anti-usage thing and there's the thinly veiled "why can't I say it too" one.

EDIT: @Phoenix Arrow: Though I do not believe it to be a choice, that's not what I was saying with that statement. The issue here is that saying "The act is a choice" is still pretty rude. Of course doing things is a choice. Eating is a choice. Sitting is a choice. So it makes the argument completely irrelevant, and usually the thoughts and feelings that fuel someone to say "the act is a choice" are negative and change the intent AND meaning of the phrase to something mean. However, to just say it to just call out facts is just internet gangsterism.

Oh wow. That's kind of dumb, because
A. "Nigga" is just another way to pronounce "******"
B. To me (which isn't a very strong statement coming from a caucasian) "Nigga" is not offensive for black people to say to eachother (something tells me its about more than that though)
C. "******" is VERY offensive, as it is another version of the word "Negro", only unable to be defended at all (as negro used to be a scientific term) and somehow sounds more racist than "Negro". Probably because racist southern people (AND BY THAT I MEAN SOUTHERN PEOPLE WHO HAPPEN TO BE RACIST AND NOT "southern people, who by the way are all racist") can't pronounce english words without making it sound like they are drunk.

 

[Uncompetative]

In my every day speech I avoid using the word "gay" to describe something bad or weird because I find it immature and a rather offensive towards homosexuals, but the other day I had a realization. I still use the word straight. I don't mean to describe something without curves or turns of course, but rather to describe something that is fine, or ok. For example, if somebody were to offer me a glass of water but I wasn't thirsty, I might say "nah, I'm straight, thanks." Is this just as offensive? By using the word straight to describe something that is ok, or does not need and adjustment am I implying that gay people are not ok and need to be changed? What do the fine minds at the escapist think of this? Is using the word straight in that context offensive to gay people, or am I just thinking about this too much?

Yes. However, every reasonable person should be tolerant of this use of language simply because English is inherently non-asexual.

It is much the same as saying "you" when you should really say "one". The latter form is more polite. e.g:

'One should endeavor to use asexual language so as not to appear prejudiced'

rather than:

'You should endeavor to use asexual language so as not to appear prejudiced'

where 'You' is intended in the joint 'you and I' sense, but it is accidentally taken in the 'you (who are the only one at fault)' sense.

 

[Debatra]

I wouldn't even say the word "gay" is offensive. It's a lifestyle choice with a title, get over it.

Excuse me?

 

[Phoenix Arrow]

Though I do not believe it to be a choice, that's not what I was saying with that statement. The issue here is that saying "The act is a choice" is still pretty rude. Of course doing things is a choice. Eating is a choice. Sitting is a choice. So it makes the argument completely irrelevant, and usually the thoughts and feelings that fuel someone to say "the act is a choice" are negative and change the intent AND meaning of the phrase to something mean. However, to just say it to just call out facts is just internet gangsterism.

I know that's not what you meant, but I could see it seeping out of your post and it's spmething I feel quite strongly about. Whether the act of sodomy or whatever the fancy word for what lesbians do is down to choice I guess is a different matter. On the one hand, you could quite easily say "no, I don't want to do that" or "yes, this stuff is hot" and that would be you making a very clear cut choice about doing jsuch acts. But then if you're someone (like most homosexuals) who has their attraction deeply engrained then surely it's just being true to yourself right? I don't know.

I should explain. I'm both bisexual and straight. I guess I should explain what that means. I'm not particularly attracted to men but I fell in love with my best friend some years back. We went out for two years and I'm fairly sure I wouldn't want to be with another man. That's not really the point, just a background thing.

What was my original point again? Oh yeah, gay isn't an offensive word. Yes, it's meant to be but it just isn't. So, get over it.

 

[Debatra]

cball11, I officially call troll on you.

 

[Evilbunny]

cball11, I officially call troll on you.

No he's not. Try actually addressing his arguments. He's not a troll.

 

[Mizaki]

stuff stuffity stuff

I don't think a sexually confused person should comment on the psychology of sexuality until they fully understand it.

Also, heterosexuals, homophobic or not, really don't seem to understand at all.

 

[Fronken]

I wouldn't even say the word "gay" is offensive. It's a lifestyle choice with a title, get over it.

According to every single gay person i have ever known it is NOT a choice, and according to science it is NOT a choice, its something you are born with, you cant help it, only ones who think its a choice is religious fanatics who think that gay people are the scourge of the earth.

So yes, using the word gay is the exact same thing as using the term "black person" or "jew" or "muslim".

And yes, it is offensive if used in the wrong way, its the same thing with all "titles", if used incorrectly they are offensive, but if used with maturity they are acceptable and just another word.

Dude, gay's a choice. You might be born gay but you could totally choose to suppress it. Or, You could be born straight but find women as a personality archetype to be completely insufferable to be around, and therefore get your gun off with men instead, 'cause it's less annoying.

Being a jew or a muslim is a lifestyle choice too by the way. Go and find the "Greek Orthodox gene" and I'll retract that statement.

Call me a religious fanatic again and I swear I'll write a really whiney thread about it. Go on. I dare you. Step to this forum poster's L33T bitching skilz.

By that logic everything is a choice, you can choose to become black or asian through cosmetic surgery, you can choose to become a parapledic through self mutilation instead of being born with a deformity...That logic doesnt work, so saying that being homosexual is a choice is just ignorant, you cant choose what you are attracted to, you cant choose what gets your blood pumping and your willie hard...its NOT a choice.

And while being a certain religion is a choice later in life, what you are born into is NOT a choice, most people who are a part of a certain religion is born into it cause their parents are that religion, so that is partly a choice, but you cant choose what you are born into, thats your parents choice, same thing with birth defects due to alcohol/drugs from the mother, thats not your choice, though you may choose to become retarded later in life by doing really stupid shit and messing up your own brain.

If it was a choice then would you mind explaining why those born homosexual cant perform well with the other sex and live in constant denial of the fact that they are attracted to the same sex?, cause thats the case with every single homosexual person i know, which is 6 guys and 2 girls (that are open about it and i know about).

So not only do i have personal contact with people who all say that it wasnt a choice, not only that, but i also have science on my side, that and every other gay person out there, be they on TV, Radio, Internet or News-papers, they all say the same thing.

So being attracted to the same sex is NOT a choice.

Most things in life are choices. Just because you don't want to be responsible for where you are in life doesn't mean you aren't. And yes, yes you can choose what gives you a raging boner. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean the rest of us are so fatalistic.

What you are born with ends at the genes and physical structure.

I could totally explain to you why homosexuals have such dysfunction with the opposite sex, I've written papers on it for crying out loud. Every level of it is psychological for the massively vast majority. No matter who you know and no matter what they think about it, it is psychological. And before I get an orgy of flaming thrown at me, it's still perfectly okay to be gay. However, I'm not actually going to explain it all to you. If you want the facts, they are out their, extensively documented. Go quench your thirst for knowledge should you feel the need.

And here's the kitchen sink: I may be one of the only people on the planet to have actually sat down with myself and decided, consciously, what my orientation was to be. I considered both, and chose straight. Voila. Choice ************. Peace.

Your ignorance is astounding, that i cannot deny.

And you honestly claim that everyone has control over what they like?, thats just stupid, sure, everyone has self control, but NONE OF US can help it if we like stuff we didnt think we'd like, you can try to deny what you feel all you want, but you wont be happy until you learn to live with yourself and accept how your own mind works.

Sure, perhaps it isnt a genetic fault which causes homosexuality (which it has been proven to be), but you still dont have a choice in it, if its psycological, that means it was something taught to you in childhood or something that influenced you in your childhood, that still is out of your control, you cannot control what your parents do/say when you are young and impressionable.

So unless EVERY HOMOSEXUAL ON THE PLANET is nothing more than a liar, you are wrong.

Face it ************. Peace.

 

[Fulbert]

Man, this whole discussion is so-o black-person-ish.

 

[captain awesome 12]

I don't use "gay" as a derogatory term at all, or "straight" for that matter. I view them as terms used to describe something that is different. To me they don't mean "bad" just not mainstream.

I kind of think the whole intolerance debate is pretty pointless, because people who criticize other people for being intolerant are hypocrites, as they are just intolerant of intolerance! Get your mind around that one, I dare you!

 

[Evilbunny]

I have called cballs "Lifestyle choice" phrase over and over and over again here.

Gay isn't a choice, or a lifestyle. Following gay culture is a lifestyle choice, but being gay isn't. Important difference.

I thought this was a relevent insight:

""Dude, you just stuck your dick in my wife, you're so gay!" Condemnation with no homosexual overtures."

The negative "gay" phrase use is normally totally unrelated to the "gay" sexuality meaning.



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Btw, Fondant, the whole vibe I get from you is "I think it's pretty shit that we have to tolerate gay people, but some of my best friends are gay, but seriously I do hate gay people pretty badly and would shoot them if I could."

You know I find it ironic that a guy with a swastika in his avatar is this tolerant of gay people.

Edit: I just realized that it's not a swastika because it's going the other way. My bad.