*cough cough tripwire fanboy cough*TOGSolid said:
OT: this sounds good. I was hoping they would do something like this. good old fashioned zombie killing with Luis will be fun again. damn you Xbox copy of L4D! Damn you!
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OT: this sounds good. I was hoping they would do something like this. good old fashioned zombie killing with Luis will be fun again. damn you Xbox copy of L4D! Damn you!
...ok what about Portal, The whole half life series, TF2 ,Counterstrike, and lots more!TOGSolid said:
sir, i hope you are mistaken or else you shall feel the wrath of my lumber fool! (UR reference)
...some think they can be cool by hating nearly universally loved developers. Why have good opinions when you can just have contrary ones!TOGSolid said:
Seriously, if you don't like it, that's fine. I hate Halo myself. However, several games later when it has become almost as synonymous with video games as Nintendo, I have to concede that there doing something right. I still don't like it, but I have to admit they have done a good job. Valve games consistently get universal acclaim, from everything ranging from critics to the community. Unless you think that YOU'RE the only one with opinions that matter, you have to concede that Valve has done a fantastic job at making games which people enjoy. And that's the part that matters. So if you only have bad things to say about Valve, regardless of whether you enjoyed their games or not, the failure lies in your capacity to think critically about a games appeal to the wider audience which exists outside of your singular opinion.
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i found out. they did make it. but idk who made it in Valve, some guy named Garry that works there i guess[/quote]
What? It's right there on the wiki page "Developer:Team Gary" Gary Newman, age 27, from Walsall, England. Published by Valve. Made by Gary.
i found out. they did make it. but idk who made it in Valve, some guy named Garry that works there i guess[/quote]
What? It's right there on the wiki page "Developer:Team Gary" Gary Newman, age 27, from Walsall, England. Published by Valve. Made by Gary.
So what your saying is, Ricochet and Day of Defeat weren't that good. Oh the humanity. (CS is a HL mod)addeB said:
Yes, because everyone knows that if someone working for your corperation ever worked for another company then they don't really develop anything for you.TOGSolid said:
and produced and made popular by Valve. In fact, if it wasn't for their marketing techniques it likely would have gotten very little publicity. Not to mention that the only level on which this game could have been considered to have been worked on before Valve claimed it was in the game Narbacular drop which dabbled with a similar portal concept but didn't develop it to the level that Valve did. They hired the people that worked on the game and asked them to expand on that concept. Long story short, Portal is Valves game because without Valve it wouldn't have been made.
Ignoring of course that Counterstrike is just a mod of HL...
I'm completely fine with everything else you said about this game, but in response to the expansion pack thing, well...
Would you like to explain what you mean by grinding. Cause I've gotten into it late and don't honestly find that anyone who has been playing longer is automatically better than me for any reason. Did I magically grind more in my month of playtime than the other players did in their year of playtime?
yet another modification of their original game...
Fine with that opinion. Have to admit that this game did inspire numerous other great games.
Would you like to source that accusation?
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Eh, that's kind of cool. Not a huge deal, but I'd be more happy to play as Bill than as Ellis so...
Funny how anytime I mention how I don't like Valve, everyone in the universe explodes into a shitstorm. Believe it or not I'm not a troll, I'm just a critical and opinionated person.
Believe it or not fanboys, just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they're a troll. I laughed my ass off when I saw someone say that they reported me though.
Anyway *puts on his Relic fanboy hat and rides off into the sunset*.
And you completely missed the point. People bring up games like CS and DoD as a way to point out how 'awesome Valve is' when Valve didn't even make those games. It's also at least arguable about DoD that after Valve got their hands on it, the game was kinda ruined.
Believe it or not fanboys, just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they're a troll. I laughed my ass off when I saw someone say that they reported me though.
Which is essentially a total conversion of Quake 2, what's your point?
I have little reason to think otherwise after playing that asstastic demo. Articles written by raging (as in they are raged in the FFFFFFFFFFFF way) fanboys are hardly good debate points.
Want all the new toys? Enjoy having to sink ridiculous amounts of time into the game or grind out achievements! I hate achievements in general though and think they're one of the dumbest ideas even introduced to gaming, second only to quicktime events, and I do realize I'm in the minority about achievements, but my opinion still stands.
This is actually kind of an offshoot of another debate I was having on a seperate forum about Valve and Half-Life (roughly the same premise, only instead we were discussing the merits of the original Half-Life when not viewed through nostalgia gogles). Half-Life itself is not a very engrossing game. Once you strip all the 'ooh ahh' effects of the new shiny stuff Valve stuffed into Half-Life 1 (scripted sequences, enemy AI, etc.)it just boils down to being kind of a regular ole, nothing special shooter. Needless to say, it really hasn't aged well. I didn't get to play it till years later, so to me, none of its features were new and awesome. Instead it was a ho hum ride through a nothing special world. Half-Life 2 however, I did get to play new and so I just chalked up my HL1 debacle to my just not having had "been there." A common problem with games. Much to my surprise though, I found HL2 to be just more of the same. It was HL1 with physics and some shinier graphics. A game that failed to immerse, failed to do anything exciting, and has been consistently chock full of "oh hey gordon go fix this, oh hey gordon let me through the door" gameplay. The game hadn't evolved in anyway shape or form since HL1 save for its technology. Yet everyone went apeshit for it because of all the 'super cool physics' and what not. It takes a lot more than a neat game engine to make me go 'oh shit awesome.'
Anyway *puts on his Relic fanboy hat and rides off into the sunset*.