Valve wants the PS3 to be more open like Mac.
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Meh, I don't really agree, but honestly I'm not going to get all upset because Valve doesn't want to code for the PS3. These are the people that actually seem to treat their customer base with respect, provide DRM that is actually useful in many ways, provide free DLC (even on the Xbox in some cases), and have an excellent track record for good games. I find the good outweighs the bad, Newell's entitled to say a stupid thing once and awhile.
Of course he's a Microsoft fanboy, he only worked there for thirteen years and became a millionaire as a result.imahobbit4062 said:
Actually it's more open than Windows. OS X uses a BSD kernal. BSD is open source. Windows is completely closedCryo84R said:
You do realize that Sony has specifically proclaimed they made it tough to work on the PS3 so that people would take longer to "unlock the full possibilities of the system" ? And that they made programming and testing on the PS3 far more expensive than any competing console with the need for horrendously expensive dev stations?
PS3 is a terrible system to code for and a LOT of devs farm out the ports for it, because Sony WANTED it that way. They went into this venture assuming they would just dominate the market and could swing their ass anyway they wanted and the market bit them back.
PS3 is a terrible system to code for and a LOT of devs farm out the ports for it, because Sony WANTED it that way. They went into this venture assuming they would just dominate the market and could swing their ass anyway they wanted and the market bit them back.
No. He's just a PC fanboy. He only vaguely likes 360 because it is vaguely PC-like.imahobbit4062 said:
No member of Valve had any part in the port of Orange Box to consoles, they just handed the code to EA and said "sort this out yourself". And without developer support the PS3 port inevitably ended up butchered. I think that is why the subsequent Left 4 Dead games have only seen console début on 360 for its somewhat PC-like in architecture.
Gabe.N and the guys at Valve are perfectionists, you can see with how they take so long to release sequels and yet at the same time will say "oh no, got a few improvements, here's a sequel 12 months later!" like with L4D2. If they are going to go into PS3 it will be 0% or 100% and by the very nature of the PS3 100% dedication means 100% of your time.
Just look at the results that First Party developers get when they develop exclusively and explicitly on the PS3:
Uncharted 2, God of War 3, Killzone 2, Metal Gear Solid 4, Wipeout HD all amazing games for graphics, content and capability.
But those were MAJOR dedicated projects, it is simply impractical to have parallel development of something like Uncharted 2 on PS3 and PC. It's just an apples and oranges comparison, in the end you are FORCED to dumb down to the lowest common denominator, make compromises and I don't think they like that. You build a game around a console's strengths and weaknesses, you can't do that on different systems at the same time.
And Valve are committed to PC gaming, even ensuring it is not just for Windows but Mac as well, I suspect Lunix will soon get the Steam treatment.
I like my PS3 for its quality 1st party games, but I LOVE my PC for titles like Team Fortress 2, L4D, COD4, Bioshock, Tomb Raider and all the mods, console commands, customisation and fast precision controls. To be honest 3rd party game have almost ALWAYS been a compromise on console, you always get the best experience on PC.
But ultimately I think Gabe doesn't understand consoles. PS3 is like a Gamecube, like Xbox is like a 3DO, they are both consoles and THAT IS IT. Nothing else special linking PS3 and Gamecube. And what he does seem to know it: "rules? terms and conditions?'FAAAACK THAAAAAT' I'll do what I want. Why can't I put whatever the hell I like on there with zero oversight or licensing?"
Well because that's not what consoles are.
I just think Gabe knows there is negative impression towards Gamecube* and makes a fair but misguided comparison. He doesn't like that you have to conform AT ALL on any console.
You shouldn't be bitching to Gabe about "why port to 360 but not PS3" as that is EA'S DECISION as THEY have the console publishing rights:
-Certain Affinity were commissioned by EA to port L4D to 360 and EA was the publisher. Valve likely just got an up front licensing fee and probably didn't include any art saying "whatever you do, don't port this to PS3 D:". Pretty sure the same is with L4D2 as is evident by jsut how choppy the game is on 360, I know Valve staff are incredibly anal about ultra-low-lag and ultra-high frame-rates.
(*He'd be right but the public is WRONG. Gamecube was the best console of its generation, sure PS2 had some good games but most you'd be better off getting on PC (Legacy Of Kain games, GTA3/VC/SA, PoP, Hitman1-2-3-4) Gamecube had SOOO many great games you could only get on Nintendo's platform from Zelda to Resident Evil to Rogue Squadron.)
I don't think THAT is the type of "open" Gabe nor anybody else here is talking about?PopeJewish said:
I don't think Gabe wants to modify the OS or add, remove and modify components. I think he means in practical terms it is more open, in terms of literally you can build whatever you want for it and bring in tools from outside freely and also have much closer integration with the hardware. Though this is contrary to consoles that want to stay VERY locked down to prevent piracy and various other abuses like cheating in online play.
Also, Mac OS X may be BASED on an open Kernel but you try installing Mac OS X on any old hardware you like as with those "Hack-intosh's" and you'll get sued for all you are worth by Steve Jobs just like the last people who tried it. Point is the Mac OS X licence IS extremely limited, you can ONLY install it on Apple approved (i.e "their") hardware. See that's how Apple maes their money: selling their overpriced hardware as the only way to get their quite sweet OS.
As it said in the Bible: "You can build your house on stone... but you're still an asshole."
... OK, I didn't pay attention in Sunday school, I may have made half of that up. Still true, though.