This, I love Valve, but that doesn't give them the excuse to not bother learning how to make a game on a platform just because "It's too hard."imahobbit4062 said:
Valve wants the PS3 to be more open like Mac.
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Why? PC has missed out on a large number of games simply cause other devs are to lazy to program for it, so cause now they arnt programming for one platform its screw them?. devs have been doing this pretty much since the first xbox and ps2, probably longer. get over it, no one kicks up a stink when shitty devs only program for one platform.SL33TBL1ND said:
Oh it's easy to "make" a game on PS3. But to truly exploits its potential well now THAT is a dedicated job, you really need a lot of very talented coders & artists (people who are good at both) who have specific experience with unique systems like the PS3 to do that.SL33TBL1ND said:
Look. I don't want any more half-assed ports on PS3. I'd rather have nothing. Like Orange Box on PS3... what the fuck. And bayonetta, dear GOD, Bay-o-fucking-etta. That was a dogturd on PS3, and it came out just before God of War 3, graphically and performance wise FAR superior to even the 360 version of Bayonetta (art, gameplay and overall worth are a different comparison).
Just take a look at Uncharted 2. That is an example of what dedicated development can yield, just keep grinding away to eak every last functional Floating-point process from it.
Coding for PS3 is a serious investment of time, resources and talent, specific talent.
And Sony's 1st party developers will ALWAYS have the advantage there, they have known the system inside and out longer than any other, they get as many development kits as they like, they have the ear of the damn people who designed the system and code the performance updates. most of the coders in Sony studios have known no other system.
"lazy"
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You act as if success is just a matter of "trying harder". The point is the odds are completely stacked against Valve if they move into making PS3 games to the standard they are used to, they'd have to abandon all the headway they have made on PC, start afresh, massive firing and rehiring, huge investment. Honestly a complete newcomer start-up company would have a better chance. Valve aren't going to "making" PS3 games till the time is right.
I could equally accuse Sony for being "lazy" for not developing games for PC.
I mean I'd fucking love to play Uncharted 2 on PC, and if they did give the option I'd always choose PC. Mouse aim... ooh just the though of Uncharted 2 with mouse aim... *droools*... oh and customisable controls and graphics *SPASM*... and mods/content-updates/user-skins *SPLOOGE*
Damn right. Nintendo and Sony's internal or subsidiary development studios at least can say it is a conflict of interests, or that they will only ever release their games under the licence of their parent company: Sony or Nintendo. Fair enough not to see Zelda (legally) on PC though it would be SOOO cool if Nintendo were to release a Steam like program running all their old titles via emulation(!) with fully integrated PC controls(!) aiming Link's Bow with mouse while riding Epona *glee*!TheComedown said:
But at least for Microsoft, every game should get a Windows port... and not 3 years late with ridiculous requirements *cough*Halo-2*cough*.
Like Gears of War, got a very nice PC release in fairly swift order, but Gears 2? "oh no, we don't want a single copy of our game pirated".
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Fuck you, Cliffy B. I WAS going to buy it. It's money in the bank to release on PC, have you any idea how many times Gears 2 was traded in and sold again? That shit doesn't happen with a digital download like via Steam, now does it?!
Ahem
But then there are third party developers like Infinity Ward (I wonder how much Activision is to blame) with their terrible handling on Modern Warfare 2 on PC. After they handled COD4 so well.. *sniff*...
Though, Modern Warfare 2 was at least AS GOOD if not a tiny bit better on PC than on console. Overall quite mediocre but PC is still the "better" version. And generally PC is the best gaming platform, especially Capcom has been good to us, even saw sense with Lost Planet 2 in the end.
This is why all these PS3 fanboys get all pissed at him, they feel they are not getting their share of the cake (i know bad joke, but it fits here). This is a clear case of jealousy.Blind Sight said:
P.S. Got a 360, PC and PS3 so know the situations of all sides.
This is funny, PS3 owners getting bit in the ass, you cant have your cake and eat it (no pun intended) PS3 owners from the start what was it? "look over here, we have all these cool exclusives. whats that we cant have valves stuff too? WAAAHHHH" like i said before, games coming out for one or two consoles but not the other has been going on forever, its they way it is, and its the way its going to be for quite a while.imahobbit4062 said:
This is true, soo few devs still care for the humble pc, valve is one of these few, and one excellent dev team too.Xzi said:
oh and
im pretty sure their sales, their fans, THEIR WORK, their dedication prove otherwise.
I don't blame him. Valve's one of the few large PC-centric developers still in business. And it's not like they ever really did have much of a PS3 presence. Contrast that to Epic Games' statement. They were initially a PC company, but then figured they'd make more money with consoles, and so made the switch, and made up some lame excuse about it.. That's something to be mad about.
Far as I can remember, a lot of developers have been saying 'really stupid' things ever since the PS3 came out. 'Really stupid' meaning making valid comments on how much Sony fucked up. It's their fault they can't support developers right. Who would be willing to buy a PS3 anyway? Gunpoint doesn't count! (Heavy Rain/MGS4/Uncharted notwithstanding)Blind Sight said:
Of course he is! I mean, porting the biggest online game platform on the PC over to the Mac, also known as Microsoft's greatest rival, doesn't account for anything, now does it?Blind Sight said:
Besides, a friend of mine compared the PS3 to the Gamecube not 2 weeks ago. It's closed up, anti-piracy, flashy-tech and less games. And that's why it's sold the least.
What I hear is constant complaining from PS3 fanboys who are too full of themselves to spend some of their apparently abundant($300/console, $60/game) money on a decent PC so they can play Valve's games. Seriously? Who cares that Valve doesn't like the PS3? They're the devs, they make the rules.
Hey, y'know what'd be awesome? If I could play God of War on a 360!...oh, that's right, I can't. Gonna go whine at Sony Santa Monica now?
They don't wanna dev for the PS3, so stop asking them! Because when you ask them you get made up answers like this, since you apparently don't stop asking when they respond "We just don't like it."
Nobody whined for Halo on the PS3, nobody whined for Final Fantasy on the 360 (although they got it, for some reason), and nobody's whining for Starcraft on ANY console. So what makes you think Valve should drop everything and port to the PS3?
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Wasn't the gamecube the lowest-tech of its generation?
And also, the Mac port is sheer genius. What other company is aiming at the Mac demographic? NOBODY. Helloooooo instant monopoly.
Hey, y'know what'd be awesome? If I could play God of War on a 360!...oh, that's right, I can't. Gonna go whine at Sony Santa Monica now?
They don't wanna dev for the PS3, so stop asking them! Because when you ask them you get made up answers like this, since you apparently don't stop asking when they respond "We just don't like it."
Nobody whined for Halo on the PS3, nobody whined for Final Fantasy on the 360 (although they got it, for some reason), and nobody's whining for Starcraft on ANY console. So what makes you think Valve should drop everything and port to the PS3?
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???Retardinator said:
Wasn't the gamecube the lowest-tech of its generation?
And also, the Mac port is sheer genius. What other company is aiming at the Mac demographic? NOBODY. Helloooooo instant monopoly.
3 brand new games and your math is about right. However, I find a majority of PS3 owners that use it as their regular console have a just as capable (if not more so) PC already with it. And in which case, When games from Valve come out for PC-360, those people not buying it on 360 actually save a bit of money due to PC games being cheaper by an average $20. Why buy a 360 for these games when they come out on PC for even cheaper? Hm?sravankb said:
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Nobody whines about Halo not coming to PS3 because it's licensed by microsoft. No one expects it to, Just as no one would ever expect why God of War to come to 360. A lot of people actually whined for FFXIII to come to X360, and that amount of people is why squeenix listened, for sales. RTS has never worked on Console since they started with Warcraft II on Sega Saturn, what would be different this time?ObsessiveSketch said:
The point is this; Valve isn't a first party dev for either of the big 3. None of their titles are licensed by anyone, yet, they act as if they are. It's true they do have the choice to make the decision to dev for any platform they want from PC to Wii, but they only choose 2 (both of which are virtually identical) and snobbishly scuff aside the others saying "Too hard" "it would cost too much". Honestly, Valve? They're one of the most succesful developers in the business, made some of the best selling games of all time, and invented STEAM, all on their own and they say they don't have the funds? I say that's probably not true.
Which is why I'm wondering why they're complaining at all! If they can afford a PS3 and the games that go with, they can easily get the Orange Box for around $20, on a PC decent enough to run it! And it's not like the graphics would get THAT much stupendously better on PS3...seriously, I don't get these complaints at all.Skopintsev said:
I don't believe so, at least from what I've seen and heard. PS2 is supposed to be the lowest-tech/best-sold. Given the lifetime of the PS2 and the evolution of engines for it, however...ObsessiveSketch said:
And this. I noticed but couldn't comment as I was too busy using a circular saw on PS3 fanboys in my basement.
Would love them to develop games for ps3 as Valve have made a good few of my all time favourite games but i have both consoles so i don't really care.
Also they are just a business so they can do pretty much what ever the fuck they feel like simply and solely because they feel like it. He doesn't need a good reason not to develop for or like the PS3 and he probably doesn't have one.
I wish people would stop acting like they are some sort of government arm encroaching on their freedoms here....
Also they are just a business so they can do pretty much what ever the fuck they feel like simply and solely because they feel like it. He doesn't need a good reason not to develop for or like the PS3 and he probably doesn't have one.
I wish people would stop acting like they are some sort of government arm encroaching on their freedoms here....