Valve wants the PS3 to be more open like Mac.

[DigitalSushi]

Wait, did anyone actually watch the video at 5BY5?, or is this all just knee jerk reactions?

Its an interesting watch or listen (the video feed isn't needed, afterall its Gabe face), its an hour of Gabe talking and not letting the other 3 guys say a thing.

Also 20 minutes in he says "flexable" but forgets the "L" so says "Fexable", which sounded like "fucks able".... I giggled

???
Wasn't the gamecube the lowest-tech of its generation?
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Kinda, its memory through put and bandwith in the pipes was less then the Xbox, but it was optimised for graphics, the Xbox was better equipped but was a PC so was better at marketing calculations.

Its why the graphics from each console were similar.

 

[fix-the-spade]

???
Wasn't the gamecube the lowest-tech of its generation?

And also, the Mac port is sheer genius. What other company is aiming at the Mac demographic? NOBODY. Helloooooo instant monopoly.

Nope, it was the highest tech of the lot, yet failed to sell largely because it was dressed up as Tinkerbell's luggage.


It's main processor wasn't quite as powerful the Xbox, but there was lots of genius technology designed into the Cube. Like the disc, roughly based on mini DVD, but with a much higher transfer rate, so you had a disc based system that could deliver cartridge loading times. It had support for stereoscopic 3-D and online network play built into it (in 2001!) but ultimately neither of these took off as the Cube didn't attract the sales or developer support Nintendo had obviously thought it would. No games ever used 3-D and network play only reached 5 or 6 titles. It also had the first first party (and good quality) wireless controller in the Wavebird.

Still, there was quite a lot of genius tech going on in that little purple cube.

 

[fix-the-spade]

Blizzard

Still instant Monopoly.
Valve does the shooter market.

Blizzard get s in one the RTS and Mumorpurger crowds.

Both sides win and we all get equally downtrodden, hooray!

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

Fuck Gabe. He's been a Microsoft fanboy since before I was an itch in my daddy's pants.

Valve are just too lazy to bother actually coding for the PS3, Lazy fucks.

This, I love Valve, but that doesn't give them the excuse to not bother learning how to make a game on a platform just because "It's too hard."

Why? PC has missed out on a large number of games simply cause other devs are to lazy to program for it, so cause now they arnt programming for one platform its screw them?. devs have been doing this pretty much since the first xbox and ps2, probably longer. get over it, no one kicks up a stink when shitty devs only program for one platform.

I never said screw them, I just said I wanted them to invest some more time in it.

ok you started you post with "This,"

saying that means you agree with everything the previous poster had said, and i was paraphrasing what he said, his post basically came across as "screw valve cause they wont make stuff for the ps3."

Ok, what I meant by "this", is /basically/ what the guy said, as in, Valve get up and do something.

Fuck Gabe. He's been a Microsoft fanboy since before I was an itch in my daddy's pants.

Valve are just too lazy to bother actually coding for the PS3, Lazy fucks.

I could equally accuse Sony for being "lazy" for not developing games for PC.

I mean I'd fucking love to play Uncharted 2 on PC, and if they did give the option I'd always choose PC. Mouse aim... ooh just the though of Uncharted 2 with mouse aim... *droools*... oh and customisable controls and graphics *SPASM*... and mods/content-updates/user-skins *SPLOOGE*

No you could not accuse Sony of being lazy for not developing for PC, because they OWN a console. Valve on the other hand has no such ties.

Hmm, intriguing. But how about this: Valve "owns" a service on PC, that is Steam. They have an incentive to make stuff to sell on the service that they spent a lot of money setting up. They are not a multinational like Sony, they don't have a lot of money to spend, this Steam program is a "virtual" console of sorts.

And if Microsoft can release some of their 1st party games for PC as well as console (gears 1, Fable, Halo 1 & 2 also maybe Alan Wake), why not Sony with their 1st part games?

SUUUURE, in a round about way, Releasing Uncharted 2 on Steam would help Microsoft as it is on their operating system, but no licence fee is going to them.

And of course: Everquest.

That's right, Everquest is 100% a Sony production on *dun dun duuuuun* the Windows Operating System(!) as well as PlanetSide, Star Wars Galaxies and Everquest 2.

So clearly Sony is not shy to earning some money in their competitor's territory and remember, an operating system is very different from a console. On a console, you are just using it, the corporation is running in. With a PC operating system, the OS is just another tool, YOU are runnign your computer, you have say what goes on it. No program has to pay any licence fee or have to pay for their approval, the OS has no right to stop you using a program if it is safe.

Really, the biggest factor stopping Sony porting a Game like Uncharted 2 to PC say 12 months after release is they can't be bothered. I'm quite sure they'd much rather spend their efforts making an Uncharted 3.

Now this has got me thinking, I am really longing for Sony's best on PC... but I know Sony will never do it. They can make more money per game selling exclusively on PS3.

Wait... Did you just bash your own argument about Sony not developing for PC? Honestly I didn't want to get in a huge argument with people. Let's just say I am of the opinion that I would like Valve to get up and have "a better go".

We all good now?

PC gamers have been dealing with console exclusives and shitty ports for a while now, but when A PC centric developer doesn't feel like coding for the PS3, suddenly its a huge issue?

The sense of entitlement is staggering.

I feel like this on both sides, often there's a PS3 exclusive that I'd LOVE on my PC and vice versa. It's just this is the first time I've been bothered to post about it on the escapist.

 

[Dogmeat T Dingo]

Macs... not such a problem. It's Apple we all hate. Especially those fucking Mac Vs PC adverts.

The thing I can't stand about them is it isn't "apple vs Microsoft" no, especially considering they aren't even that. I'd pay to see them make each other bleed, it's the "Apple vs geek" or "Apple vs individual" part I detest. You know, I RELATE more to the PC guy, he doesn't conform to a bloody brand or act like such a douchy jock. And the adverts are patronising straw man arguments.... well, they're not that bad, but one things for sure it makes Apple seem like a fucking cult and completely fails on the point on selling Macs for what they ARE rather than what they represent.

Thank you!

For the record, and I know this is off topic but someone already opened that can of worms, I don't hate Mac computers. I hate Mac USERS, and even then only the snotty elitist ones who think they're rebels fighting against corporate oppression while I'm some Microsoft drone. Sure Macs have good stuff but so do PCs, and I use the one that works for me, and also the one I need to know for my job. I don't care what operating system my neighbour uses, and I feel kind of sorry for anyone who does. When someone tells me they use a Mac I'm cool with it, and if the Mac cultists would just respond to "I'm a PC user" with something a little more civil than "Oh? So how does Bill Gate's cock taste?", I'd get along fine with them too. Apple is just as much an evil, faceless corporation as Microsoft after all, don't get all in my face just because yours is more popular with the yuppies.

 

[VanityGirl]

/doesn't care.

Why not just buy a 360/PC that can run the games? The glory of having all consoles is even if a developer shoves a middle finger in the face of a console, I can just buy their game on another console.


So Gabe could spit in Sony's face, then throw feces at them, and it wouldn't put me in an awkward position at all. Same could be said for anyone else.


However, I do think Gabe's being a little odd about the whole PS3 thing. While coding for the PS3 is significantly more difficult than for the PC, I don't see how that could 100% stop you from making the game for PC, 360, and PS3.

Fuck Gabe. He's been a Microsoft fanboy since before I was an itch in my daddy's pants.

Valve are just too lazy to bother actually coding for the PS3, Lazy fucks.

This. I may have switched over to my 360 for the time being, but Valve has no reason not to release anything for the PS3.

Yes they do. Choice.
If Valve doesn't want to release things on PS3, you can't say they have to or even should. Sadly, thus is the world.

Would you have felt better if Gabe just said "I don't WANNA!" when asked why he doesn't release things for PS3, instead of offering an (if poor) excuse?

 

[Treblaine]

Fuck Gabe. He's been a Microsoft fanboy since before I was an itch in my daddy's pants.

Valve are just too lazy to bother actually coding for the PS3, Lazy fucks.

I could equally accuse Sony for being "lazy" for not developing games for PC.

I mean I'd fucking love to play Uncharted 2 on PC, and if they did give the option I'd always choose PC. Mouse aim... ooh just the though of Uncharted 2 with mouse aim... *droools*... oh and customisable controls and graphics *SPASM*... and mods/content-updates/user-skins *SPLOOGE*

No you could not accuse Sony of being lazy for not developing for PC, because they OWN a console. Valve on the other hand has no such ties.

Hmm, intriguing. But how about this: Valve "owns" a service on PC, that is Steam. They have an incentive to make stuff to sell on the service that they spent a lot of money setting up. They are not a multinational like Sony, they don't have a lot of money to spend, this Steam program is a "virtual" console of sorts.

And if Microsoft can release some of their 1st party games for PC as well as console (gears 1, Fable, Halo 1 & 2 also maybe Alan Wake), why not Sony with their 1st part games?

SUUUURE, in a round about way, Releasing Uncharted 2 on Steam would help Microsoft as it is on their operating system, but no licence fee is going to them.

And of course: Everquest.

That's right, Everquest is 100% a Sony production on *dun dun duuuuun* the Windows Operating System(!) as well as PlanetSide, Star Wars Galaxies and Everquest 2.

So clearly Sony is not shy to earning some money in their competitor's territory and remember, an operating system is very different from a console. On a console, you are just using it, the corporation is running in. With a PC operating system, the OS is just another tool, YOU are runnign your computer, you have say what goes on it. No program has to pay any licence fee or have to pay for their approval, the OS has no right to stop you using a program if it is safe.

Really, the biggest factor stopping Sony porting a Game like Uncharted 2 to PC say 12 months after release is they can't be bothered. I'm quite sure they'd much rather spend their efforts making an Uncharted 3.

Now this has got me thinking, I am really longing for Sony's best on PC... but I know Sony will never do it. They can make more money per game selling exclusively on PS3.

Wait... Did you just bash your own argument about Sony not developing for PC? Honestly I didn't want to get in a huge argument with people. Let's just say I am of the opinion that I would like Valve to get up and have "a better go".

We all good now?

PC gamers have been dealing with console exclusives and shitty ports for a while now, but when A PC centric developer doesn't feel like coding for the PS3, suddenly its a huge issue?

The sense of entitlement is staggering.

I feel like this on both sides, often there's a PS3 exclusive that I'd LOVE on my PC and vice versa. It's just this is the first time I've been bothered to post about it on the escapist.

Oooo-eeerr I just spent the last 10 minutes trying to untangle the quotation tangle there, we somehow ended up quoting each other!

Anyway, yes... I mean no. I mean I considered that just as I was about to post only I think it ultimately supports my argument as it is vital in proving it would not be unprecedented for Sony to release works on the operating system made by a "competitor". Hey, it's capitalism, not war.

I mean would the people who are calling Gay Ben Gabe.N a "Microsoft fanboy" be happy if Valve just released a few small separate games for PS3 and deny them their big titles like Left 4 Dead and so on?

No. PS3 fans can only begin to feel a sense of entitlement when Sony starts wholesale efforts of making quality ports of all of their best games to PC, and specifically to Steam network and that means their big hitters like Resistance, Uncharted, Wipeout (which début'd on PC), Killzone and so on.

If they aren't willing to put the effort into porting FROM PS3, then there should be no expectation to port TO PS3.

And I think the reason Sony doesn't that do is not capitalistic competition but sheer difficulty, getting Uncharted 2 work on PC with the graphics it has would be a massive effort for not many sales into and environment they are unfamiliar with and don't like... same argument that Gabe is making.

 

[Tartarga]

Screw Valve, there are to many games I need to buy already.

 

[Super Toast]

Fuck Gabe. He's been a Microsoft fanboy since before I was an itch in my daddy's pants.

Valve are just too lazy to bother actually coding for the PS3, Lazy fucks.

This. The Orange Box port on the PS3 must have been coded by goddamn monkeys.

 

[Petromir]

In my opinion, Mac is the furthest from 'open' you can get. Terribly overpriced, underpowered, and lack of being able to upgrade/fix yourself, that's Mac for ya.

I'm trying to figure out why Valve thinks they have any legs to stand on anymore? They're still bitching about not being able to adapt a years old Engine to the console that has 2009's GoTY exclusive? Seriously?

Well only having a mac laptop I can't cover all macs but upgrading the ram on a macbook pro is barely more difficult than on a desktop PC, take the battery out, undo two screws and pop it in. A Hardrive replacemnt is simiarly simple.

simiarly if you take a PC in a custom compack case like some media PCs and the like have been sold in, they have a similar upgrade felxibilty to an iMac. And the Mac Pro pretty much any component is user upgradeble, your just limeted to a smaller range of compatiable components.

And underpowered? Overpriced I'll give you, but pleanty of high end video work is done on the top end of them, I challenge you to call any computer running 2 quad core processors with 32GB underpowered.....

And they'd still have to re-write the engine almost completely to get the standard of results they'd want, which is alot of work on an engine as complex as source.

 

[Croaker42]

Fuck Gabe. He's been a Microsoft fanboy since before I was an itch in my daddy's pants.

Valve are just too lazy to bother actually coding for the PS3, Lazy fucks.

Agreed. Valve can pretty much die in a fire for all I care.
[sub]*cough*talentless hacks*cough*[/sub]

Wait, what? You do know that none of the updates for TF2 were put on the 360, right? More appropriately, Valve are PC fanboys. Which is a good thing, since so few remain as such.[/quote]

/Agree
And what?s with all the rage about a company doing good business. They don't want to cram money down the shit hole of hiring new coders/training old coders (That should already be working on other more important projects *cough* HL3 *cough*). Oh and then they would have to cram more time/money into the actual development.

I don't know, perhaps if their was a clear reason to do it they wouldn't be so hesitant. I sure as hell don't see any coming from the flamers though.

 

[Limzz]

Fuck Gabe. He's been a Microsoft fanboy since before I was an itch in my daddy's pants.

Valve are just too lazy to bother actually coding for the PS3, Lazy fucks.

This. I may have switched over to my 360 for the time being, but Valve has no reason not to release anything for the PS3.

Yes they do. The PS3 is a ***** to code for. Valve started off on a bad foot with the PS3 and when it was initially released they said they weren't making games for it because it was too wonky or whatever. Valve makes enough money that they don't need the PS3.

 

[Treblaine]

Macs... not such a problem. It's Apple we all hate. Especially those fucking Mac Vs PC adverts.

The thing I can't stand about them is it isn't "apple vs Microsoft" no, especially considering they aren't even that. I'd pay to see them make each other bleed, it's the "Apple vs geek" or "Apple vs individual" part I detest. You know, I RELATE more to the PC guy, he doesn't conform to a bloody brand or act like such a douchy jock. And the adverts are patronising straw man arguments.... well, they're not that bad, but one things for sure it makes Apple seem like a fucking cult and completely fails on the point on selling Macs for what they ARE rather than what they represent.

Thank you!

For the record, and I know this is off topic but someone already opened that can of worms, I don't hate Mac computers. I hate Mac USERS, and even then only the snotty elitist ones who think they're rebels fighting against corporate oppression while I'm some Microsoft drone. Sure Macs have good stuff but so do PCs, and I use the one that works for me, and also the one I need to know for my job. I don't care what operating system my neighbour uses, and I feel kind of sorry for anyone who does. When someone tells me they use a Mac I'm cool with it, and if the Mac cultists would just respond to "I'm a PC user" with something a little more civil than "Oh? So how does Bill Gate's cock taste?", I'd get along fine with them too. Apple is just as much an evil, faceless corporation as Microsoft after all, don't get all in my face just because yours is more popular with the yuppies.

"I'm a PC user"

Huh? But a Mac IS a PC.

Could anybody argue that Mac OS X based machines defy the definition of "Personal Computer" or even more boldly is "PC" now considered synonymous with "Windows based computer" as that is even more wrong. (also, "I'm a PC user" sounds like something you say at an AA meeting or in this case, Computing Anonymous).

The "Mac vs PC" ads are just marketing bullshit, you could do it with any brand like: "I'm a soft drink... and IIIIIII'm a Pepsi!" that doesn't mean Pepsi isn't a soft-drink, it just means it wants to be considered separate from the rest.

I find the best approach is to ask about how their system operates or what specs they have (if they don't even know their own damn specs change the subject FAST) as no one has yet explained to me properly how the Dock works, it all seems so complicated I can't see why anyone would find it easier than a tabs based task-bar like Windows or Linux. But even mac fanboys relish the opportunity to show off and generally it defuses any rivalry by showing respectful interest.

And if I have anything to add, I say I use Vista and I'm frank about why "64 bit support (4+ gigs of Ram) and widest selection of games at the time". Plus, I couldn't put OS X on my PC even if I wanted to as I built my PC myself and planned upgrades.

The problem with Mac is it's not JUST an operating system, it isn't even JUST a hardware series, it's a god damn brand and people start acting stupid around brands.

 

[JeanLuc761]

Fuck Gabe. He's been a Microsoft fanboy since before I was an itch in my daddy's pants.

Valve are just too lazy to bother actually coding for the PS3, Lazy fucks.

Agreed. Valve can pretty much die in a fire for all I care.
[sub]*cough*talentless hacks*cough*[/sub]

It's confusing because everyone and their mums say "oh vlave are teh best in teh world".If their so fucking great you'd think they'd be good enough to develope for the ps3.It's really doing my fucking head in.

This thread may have the most egotistical whiners I've seen in months. Valve doesn't want to develop for PS3, they have no obligation to develop for it, so they won't! Simple as that.

Their PC games are still considered some of the best in existence, and that's the platform they concentrate on. I know someone said it earlier, but all this bitching would be like me strolling up to the devs of Uncharted 2 and punching them in the face because I can't play their game on my PC. If I want to play Uncharted 2, I'll have to buy a PS3 and I'm fine with that; that's their preferred system.

It's flat-out disrespectful to say "Oh god this developer sucks because he won't put games on my platform!" You are entitled to nothing, no matter how you play your games.