[Video] Police search home for pipe of marijuana; shoot dogs in front of wife and child.

[AngryMongoose]

where did this happen? In america?

this is something you'd expect of a third world dictatorship isent it?

Well, this is something I'd expect in America, where your policemen don't feel like men unless they carry enough weaponry each to take out a small town.. In a third world dictatorship he'd have been lynched, in front of a crowd, or, more likely, ingored, since the guy seeling the cannibis would have the police on their payroll.

OT: One policeman with a calm voice could have arrested this guy. They ran in with a fully armed swat team. What the fuck?

 

[Julianking93]

So they decide to raid the home of people because they are suspected of being in possession of a completely harmless drug by cops who decide to shoot the dogs for no reason rather than doing something useful like, I don't know, catching a murderer, a rapist or a child molester?

Yeah, great work you dumbasses.

 

[thenumberthirteen]

I know dogs are dangerous but couldn't they have someone with a tranq instead of putting down a kids dog infront of their eyes?

because a swat team is really going to carry tranq guns. Swat are called in when violence is expected and a heavy duty response is required. The fact that they were there at all suggests he was doing something serious.
As to the dog, having a dog running free would be extremely dangerous for the swat team. If it were to bite an officer it could potentially take at least two officers out of a fight as they would have to deal with. It presents such a risk that it is better to shoot it than take a chance with it.
Imagine if there had been armed men in that house. If an officer got dragged to the floor by a dog (this is a very realistic scenario) then then he is put in massive amounts of danger.
Neutralise any threat and move on. simple as that

Obviously you haven't played SWAT 4. The correct procedure is to shout at it loudly, and if it kills your entire team then you can shoot it.

 

[Chrono180]

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The issue (to me at least) is less "They killed a dog" and more "They did something a civilian would get put in jail for and got away with it." Law enforcement officers need to be held to a HIGHER standard of conduct, not a lower standard as they are now.

 

[WorldCritic]

Damn, didn't see that coming.

 

[zHellas]

So they decide to raid the home of people because they are suspected of being in possession of a completely harmless drug by cops who decide to shoot the dogs for no reason rather than doing something useful like, I don't know, catching a murderer, a rapist or a child molester?

Yeah, great work you dumbasses.

See the quoted post below for why they shot the dogs.

EDIT: Also, your pic is just so fucking cute! Like seriously, I wanna fucking hug you it's so damn adorable.

That's made me cry. Those fucks. That just seemed ridiculous.

A dog couldn't even hurt them through their SWAT gear. Fucking ridiculous.

Wow, such internet logic.

Ballistic armor doesn't function too well against knives and other sharp stabbing objects (fangs, for example) without a specialized carrier.

Even if it did, their entire uniform isn't MADE out of that. A dog could easily tear one of their limbs apart, and much worse if it has rabies.

Blanket Statement

Ponder the situation. If a dog was dangerous, how the fuck are you supposed to deal with it? How are they to know? Should the officers compromise their own safety to save a criminal's pet?

Yeah, I realize this is gonna get ignored, since the vast majority of the escapist's members are overly emotional basement-dwellers who get boners from gun-control laws and who are going to ignore any amount of logic with the defense: "BUT AAAWWW OMG LOOK AT THE CUTE PUPPY OMG THATZ SO SAD I R SO SENSITIVE SOMEONE LUV ME PLZ!!11!1ONE!"

 

[Baby Tea]

only doing their job. just unfortunate that the kids had to see.

Their job is breaking down the doors of people who have a small possession of marijuana (like everyone does or has had at some point)with their weapons out and shooting dogs for barking when they kick down the door?

Uhh, speak for yourself.
I have never had any illegal narcotic. Ever.

Their job to is ensure the safety of the public, as well as themselves.
These guys are raiding a house for a drug search warrant (Which had to have been approved by a judge), and they encountered a dog. The dog was barking it's head off, and they chose safety over a 'lets wait and see how mean it is' approach. I don't doubt that it's sad for the family, but the reality is: Not every dog is friendly. And when you're a SWAT team member, you're used to seeing the worst of the worst. And so when a dog barks at you like that (And it certainly didn't sound friendly), you have to put yourself in their shoes.

As for whether or not the raid was justified, I find it hard to believe that a judge would approve a warrant for just a small amount of weed. That may be all they found, but that says less about the officers themselves and more about their intel. I don't blame them on the execution of that raid in the slightest.

 

[rekabdarb]

repost, this was posted here like 2 weeks ago

And as said on here... The Dog was untrained, unrestrained, and a bulldog. A dog breed that has a history of violence. The SWAT team was only doing what they considered safe and if you think otherwise then, as many hunters say:Fuck Peta

 

[Counterwise]

Don't live in the US, but i strongly support legalizing lots of drugs, you can't control something by banning it.

 

[Julianking93]

snippy

I can understand if the dog was actually dangerous, but from what I read, it was merely barking at them.

That doesn't give them the right to kill it.

It didn't lunge at them, it didn't snarl at them, it just barked.

And yes, my catgirl avatar is fucking adorable ^_^

 

[G1eet]

Ponder the situation. If a dog was dangerous, how the fuck are you supposed to deal with it? Such logic. Those two dogs sounded quite dangerous. That first shot you hear wounded the first dog. Why go in for the kill? For sport? Those cops gave the family, or the dogs, no chance to get out of the house or into any sort of containment. Depending on how big the dog is versus whoever would lead it away, plus the distance to the crate/fenced in area, in a small house like that, it couldn't take more than a minute, two? Even if they shut it in a bedroom, there you go, now you don't have to explain to Billy why the pleesemen shot his Buddy.

 

[zHellas]

snippy

I can understand if the dog was actually dangerous, but from what I read, it was merely barking at them.

That doesn't give them the right to kill it.

It didn't lunge at them, it didn't snarl at them, it just barked.

And yes, my catgirl avatar is fucking adorable ^_^

I say they did it just incase the dogs were a threat, or they didn't want to take any chances.

 

[Daveman]

That's made me cry. Those fucks. That just seemed ridiculous.

A dog couldn't even hurt them through their SWAT gear. Fucking ridiculous.

Wow, such internet logic.

Ballistic armor doesn't function too well against knives and other sharp stabbing objects (fangs, for example) without a specialized carrier.

Even if it did, their entire uniform isn't MADE out of that. A dog could easily tear one of their limbs apart, and much worse if it has rabies.

Blanket Statement

Ponder the situation. If a dog was dangerous, how the fuck are you supposed to deal with it? How are they to know? Should the officers compromise their own safety to save a criminal's pet?

Yeah, I realize this is gonna get ignored, since the vast majority of the escapist's members are overly emotional basement-dwellers who get boners from gun-control laws and who are going to ignore any amount of logic with the defense: "BUT AAAWWW OMG LOOK AT THE CUTE PUPPY OMG THATZ SO SAD I R SO SENSITIVE SOMEONE LUV ME PLZ!!11!1ONE!"

Fangs? Really? My dog couldn't bite through cardboard and I doubt anybody is going to sharpen the teeth of their dog, comparing it to a knife is fucking retarded.

Besides, aren't dogs supposed to bark at intruders? Isn't that what guard dogs are for? How do you train a dog to bark at intruders but not when they're policemen? Also if a dog has rabies and you're bitten that means you get a few shots and you're fine. You shoot a dog, it's dead, forever.

Also did you even read the article? They broke into his house to arrest him for child endangerment. How the FUCK does that warrant armed response anyway? Especially when the police are more dangerous to the kids well-being if they shoot his dog.

One more thing... I love gun-control. I've never even heard of anybody (or their dog) getting shot here in the UK... well... except by police.

 

[AngryMongoose]

Ponder the situation. If a dog was dangerous, how the fuck are you supposed to deal with it? How are they to know? Should the officers compromise their own safety to save a criminal's pet?

No they shouldn't, but their were other ways they could have avoided that danger. For example, They could've NOT gone after a single unarmed person charged with a misdemeanor with an ENTIRE FUCKING SWAT TEAM.

One more thing... I love gun-control. I've never even heard of anybody (or their dog) getting shot here in the UK... well... except by police.

Our police are very proud of the fact that they don't go everywhere armed.

 

[Blimey]

Yes this is sad, I agree 100% with this.

Problem is, its the SWAT teams explicit orders from their commanding officers to put down/detain any animals found on site (usually dogs). This is because often dogs that are in a house that contains drugs can be unstable, violent, and mentally damaged due to the chemicals that they are exposed to.

Sad, but true.

On another note, if you have young children, why would you smoke weed? I mean I used to puff a little here and there a long time ago, and I can't imagine myself being able to take care of a child whilst high. Fuck, I could barley make a decent sandwich when I was high.

 

[Virus0015]

This is appalling, even worse if it's justified as standard practice. Unfortunately in the US it appears that the police are willing to crush anything they don't like without any common sense whatsoever. No human lives were in immediate danger, thus the perpetrators could have been arrested in a more controlled fashion, such as not in their own territory which for all the police knew could be booby trapped or an ambush. What the SWAT team did was discharge live rounds in the vicinity of a young child, and I think I need to spell it out to all the idiots that it carries a very real danger. Their actions were absurdly reckless to say the least. Not only did they needlessly kill innocent animals, but they endangered the very life that they were supposedly trying to protect.

Maybe Law enforcement in the US could not take the red neck "kill em all!" approach and actually consider alternative courses of action like any normal organisation would.

 

[Fightgarr]

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Surely there is a better solution that simply outright shooting and killing the dog. Warning shots to scare it away or pepper spray? There are non-lethal methods of things for a damn good reason and while I think that split second decision for someone in the man's shoes can result in a mistake I definitely don't think it was the right thing to do. I'm also finding it hard to believe that a warrant was given for possessing a small amount of marijuana, but I guess some people think differently than I.

 

[Asturiel]

And this is a prime example of why I laugh and clap every time I hear about a dead police officer.

Thats pretty dickish of you man. Not all law enforcement officers are trigger happy, woman raping, drug traffickers, do not judge a dead man unless you knew that mans life.

Wow, such internet logic.

Ballistic armor doesn't function too well against knives and other sharp stabbing objects (fangs, for example) without a specialized carrier.

Even if it did, their entire uniform isn't MADE out of that. A dog could easily tear one of their limbs apart, and much worse if it has rabies.

Blanket Statement

Ponder the situation. If a dog was dangerous, how the fuck are you supposed to deal with it? How are they to know? Should the officers compromise their own safety to save a criminal's pet?

Yeah, I realize this is gonna get ignored, since the vast majority of the escapist's members are overly emotional basement-dwellers who get boners from gun-control laws and who are going to ignore any amount of logic with the defense: "BUT AAAWWW OMG LOOK AT THE CUTE PUPPY OMG THATZ SO SAD I R SO SENSITIVE SOMEONE LUV ME PLZ!!11!1ONE!"

You have some good statements in there but don't insult the community, there is no reason for that.

Ok maybe a bit inappropriate but if this were a comic I could completely see that kid being a supervillan one day, one with a grudge against the police.

 

[Kelbear]

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Surely there is a better solution that simply outright shooting and killing the dog. Warning shots to scare it away or pepper spray? There are non-lethal methods of things for a damn good reason and while I think that split second decision for someone in the man's shoes can result in a mistake I definitely don't think it was the right thing to do. I'm also finding it hard to believe that a warrant was given for possessing a small amount of marijuana, but I guess some people think differently than I.

There isn't a warrant process, it's only 2 steps:
1) Contact the judge 2) Get your warrant.

Only criteria is a policeman saying: "We suspect _(something)_ because I heard or saw something". No evidence is necessary, and it only takes the amount of time it takes to get to the judge, a few days through mail, same-day through fax, or within minutes by just giving the judge a phonecall.

 

[Baby Tea]

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Surely there is a better solution that simply outright shooting and killing the dog. Warning shots to scare it away or pepper spray? There are non-lethal methods of things for a damn good reason and while I think that split second decision for someone in the man's shoes can result in a mistake I definitely don't think it was the right thing to do.

Well I don't like the idea of shooting another man's dog, either. But neither you or I are on a SWAT team. We don't know what they face everyday, we don't see the worst of the worst everyday. Tazers or pepper spray might work, then again they might not. In the end, these guys are looking out for the public, and themselves.

Personally, I'd rather shoot a dog and make a mistake then not shoot a dog and get myself or another member of my squad hurt.

I'm also finding it hard to believe that a warrant was given for possessing a small amount of marijuana, but I guess some people think differently than I.

That's just it: If they knew it was a 'small amount', they wouldn't have send a SWAT team. Intel they had to raid the house must have pointed to a bigger stash. Which may or may not have been there at one point. We don't know. All we see is a video of a well executed entry by a SWAT team, accompanied by a biased article.

My main point is that people love to jump all over things like this without knowing everything, and without even trying to think of themselves in a similar situation.