viet nam

[WanderingFool]

There were quite a few a few years ago, but it seems to have become less popular again.

And for the record, America didn't lose the war. They withdrew because they were stuck in a stalemate which they couldn't win, which makes it a draw. Furthermore, a big part of the problem was anti-war public sentiment in the US. A lot of it is down to historical interpretation.

Yeah, America wasnt losing in Vietnam, but they sure as hell weren't winning. And also, I blame the French for that war.

 

[Savagezion]

There were quite a few a few years ago, but it seems to have become less popular again.

And for the record, America didn't lose the war. They withdrew because they were stuck in a stalemate which they couldn't win, which makes it a draw. Furthermore, a big part of the problem was anti-war public sentiment in the US. A lot of it is down to historical interpretation.

WOOO! Fuck yeah. The "it was tie" statement I just referred to. Double jackpot! American propaganda FTL!

 

[flaming_squirrel]

There were quite a few a few years ago, but it seems to have become less popular again.

And for the record, America didn't lose the war. They withdrew because they were stuck in a stalemate which they couldn't win, which makes it a draw. Furthermore, a big part of the problem was anti-war public sentiment in the US. A lot of it is down to historical interpretation.

WOOO! Fuck yeah. The "it was tie" statement I just referred to. Double jackpot! American propaganda FTL!

Butbutbut, they didnt lose! They left before the game ended! Do civilian frags count as points too though?

We're running dangerously close to a certain WW2 discussion with this, but it is fairly entertaining.

 

[Savagezion]

There were quite a few a few years ago, but it seems to have become less popular again.

And for the record, America didn't lose the war. They withdrew because they were stuck in a stalemate which they couldn't win, which makes it a draw. Furthermore, a big part of the problem was anti-war public sentiment in the US. A lot of it is down to historical interpretation.

WOOO! Fuck yeah. The "it was tie" statement I just referred to. Double jackpot! American propaganda FTL!

Butbutbut, they didnt lose! They left before the game ended! Do civilian frags count as points too though?

We're running dangerously close to a certain WW2 discussion with this, but it is fairly entertaining.

Yeah, I almost went there myself but opted not to.

 

[trech125]

as many of you have noted vietnam(thnx guys)games are less popular because the americans lost , this dosent help much but a game were you play as a vietnam soldier might be good just a idea...

 

[Obliterato]

Oh, and half a million US dead.

Okay now I disagree with the guy claiming the US won Vietnam but to pull someone up on that and then pull a statistic like that, half a million??? Seriously? If that were true no wonder it was such a tremendous balls up, what do you think they were doing, just running at North Vietnam shouting bang? The Vietnam War polarises opinion in America but if they suffered half a million casualties, I think there may just well have been a revolution or something. The official breakdown of US casualties was:

58,149 Dead
1,719 Missing
303,635 Wounded

So yes casualties were high, but half a million dead, I think not.

 

[WildManBill]

Something about killing countless peasant soldiers with Napalm in the name of protecting the free world from communism apparantly wasn't all that appealing. I don't know why, I mean we were winning when they dragged my ass to Saigon and my CO put a gun to my head telling me I was going home, like it or not.

 

[RedRussian]

Because the majority of game studios are American and you don't really like to make games where your players are going to lose the war. It just wouldn't sell too well.

Ummmm... America didnt lose the Vietnam war. We made a huge impact (in our favor) and then withdrew. But by no means did we lose Vietnam

Oh, and half a million US dead.
week.

I think you should check your numbers again, that's hugely inaccurate.

 

[Wintermoot]

Vietnam wasnt realy a heroic war for the US
The US army where more of the bad guys then the good guys (IE raping and pillaging the local population)

 

[punkrocker27]

Vietnam wasnt realy a heroic war for the US
The US army where more of the bad guys then the good guys (IE raping and pillaging the local population)

You know what, that's so ridiculous, just never mind. Soldiers from one unit carried out a massacre and next thing you know the entire army ends up getting labeled a pack of rapists and pillagers. Shit like this is exactly why we lost public support for the war at home. And just so you know, war is never heroic. That's a fact.

 

[AWAR]

There are a lot of games about the Vietnam war (and by "games" I assume you mean FPSs...)
While I agree it was a very "dirty" war there are many wars, such as independence wars, that are not even mentioned in any games, like the Yugoslav war or the early Balkan wars and even the Greco-Turkish wars.

 

[TheYellowCellPhone]

Battlefield Vietnam and the new Bad Company 2 DLC are both featured in Vietnam.

All that pop to mind.

 

[emeraldrafael]

Mostly cause its a sad moment in American history. No one really wants to talk about it since it was just a disgrace all around.

Personally, I'd like to make a vietnam game, but it wouldnt work out well, cause i'd give the option of total war and then that country would wind up as nothing more then a blackened scorched burn mark on the earth. Sorry, we had this conversation in history and when our teacher asked us how we would have handled the war, thats what most of us said.

 

[Skinny Razor]

Vietnam is the name of a country, and is only one word.

No, it's two words: Việt Nam. English speakers combine the two syllables to make one word.

 

[Woodsey]

There are actually quite a few Vietnam games (Battlefield did it a long time before CoD too), but none of them have been particularly stand out.

 

[BlueberryMUNCH]

Vietnam is the name of a country, and is only one word.

No, it's two words: Việt Nam. English speakers combine the two syllables to make one word.

And I'm pretty sure this is an English speaking forum; was juss'sayin.

You could have at least posted something OT?

Anyway, thanks for the info.

 

[senorfatso]

I would love to see a guerilla-based FPS where you play as the North Vietnamese; perhaps as the child sniper from Full Metal Jacket for instance. Maybe you could have an interesting attack/defend scenarios with the U.S.A with expensive tanks and grenade launchers and the Vietcong with the element of fear and surprise. Come on America the Cold War is over, stir a little controversy. It'll offend a few Greene Berets but I'm sure they'll be doing their best to avoid any memories of the combat whatsoever. It'd make for some great political statements.

 

[BlueberryMUNCH]

I would love to see a guerilla-based FPS where you play as the North Vietnamese; perhaps as the child sniper from Full Metal Jacket for instance. Maybe you could have an interesting attack/defend scenarios with the U.S.A with expensive tanks and grenade launchers and the Viet Kong with the element of fear and surprise. Come on America the Cold War is over, stir a little controversy. It'll offend a few Greene Berets but I'm sure they'll be doing their best to avoid any memories of the combat whatsoever. It'd make for some great political statements.

Good idea, and I'd like to see it too...
...but bear in mind all the problems MoH and Black Ops faced...this would be on a totally different level for the general American public. Besides, many, many people still live with the effects of that war; guess that'll still be a taboo.

...Okay, shot myself in the foot there; all 'Modern Warfare' games do exactly that.

BASICALLY, it's in the same ballpark as the MoH 'Taliban' fiasco.
Maybe in the next decade we might see such a game. In the mean time...
...
*Watches Full Metal Jacket*

 

[Malyc]

Because the majority of game studios are American and you don't really like to make games where your players are going to lose the war. It just wouldn't sell too well.

Ummmm... America didnt lose the Vietnam war. We made a huge impact (in our favor) and then withdrew. But by no means did we lose Vietnam

Nice try at trying to fix that insane statement, but "were forced out" is pretty much the better way to describe "withdrew".

You need to finish that sentence: "Were forced out by politicians who lost interest because they didn't realize going in that soldiers would die (OMG!!! SOLDIERS DIE IN WAR???)" If it were left up to the generals, the people who knew what had to be done, the war in "Nam would have turned out far differently than it did.

 

[Wintermoot]

Vietnam wasnt realy a heroic war for the US
The US army where more of the bad guys then the good guys (IE raping and pillaging the local population)

You know what, that's so ridiculous, just never mind. Soldiers from one unit carry out a massacre and the entire army gets labeled as rapists and pillagers. Shit like this is exactly why we lost public support for the war at home. And just so you know, war is never heroic. That's a fact.

I could be wrong about the raping and pillaging but its a well-known fact the Vietnam war isnt one of the most glorious action by the USA mostly because its fought on the fear of the idea that communism would spread