viet nam

[Cpt Corallis]

If i remember correctly conflict vietnam did a fairly decent portrayal of jungle fighting. Punji traps and other stuff like that.

 

[ShadowsofHope]

Because the majority of game studios are American and you don't really like to make games where your players are going to lose the war. It just wouldn't sell too well.

Ummmm... America didnt lose the Vietnam war. We made a huge impact (in our favor) and then withdrew. But by no means did we lose Vietnam

Nice try at trying to fix that insane statement, but "were forced out" is pretty much the better way to describe "withdrew".

You need to finish that sentence: "Were forced out by politicians who lost interest because they didn't realize going in that soldiers would die (OMG!!! SOLDIERS DIE IN WAR???)" If it were left up to the generals, the people who knew what had to be done, the war in "Nam would have turned out far differently than it did.

The civilian population got real time video streams of war crimes happening overseas in Vietnam that the politicians were obscuring for sake of wanting to "OMGZ STOP UR COMMUNISMS!". It wasn't the fact that soldiers were dying, it was the fact that the majority of people soldiers were killing were civilians in the first place. Nice try, though.

 

[Tsaba]

how come there are no games set in viet nam, ok there is that one bit it black ops but is that honestly it i was really suprised
when i found out how many games there are can any body explain this?
(sorry viet nam is probably spelled rong)
and i dont know why this has reapeted it self soz ???

The key problem with Vietnam is that after the Tet Offensive in January of 68, all the US had to do was march north and conquer north Vietnam and the war would have been over, but, instead, politics ruled what the south and decided what the soldiers could and could not do and that is why the US withdrew from Vietnam disgracefully, if they made a game, it would extremely bitter towards politicians.

 

[Zacharine]

Because the majority of game studios are American and you don't really like to make games where your players are going to lose the war. It just wouldn't sell too well.

Ummmm... America didnt lose the Vietnam war. We made a huge impact (in our favor) and then withdrew. But by no means did we lose Vietnam

Nice try at trying to fix that insane statement, but "were forced out" is pretty much the better way to describe "withdrew".

You need to finish that sentence: "Were forced out by politicians who lost interest because they didn't realize going in that soldiers would die (OMG!!! SOLDIERS DIE IN WAR???)" If it were left up to the generals, the people who knew what had to be done, the war in "Nam would have turned out far differently than it did.

The civilian population got real time video streams of war crimes happening overseas in Vietnam that the politicians were obscuring for sake of wanting to "OMGZ STOP UR COMMUNISMS!". It wasn't the fact that soldiers were dying, it was the fact that the majority of people soldiers were killing were civilians in the first place. Nice try, though.

As it went in Full Metal Jacket...

"Anyone who runs, is a VC. Anyone who stands still, is a well diciplined VC. Hahahah!"

"I got 157 kills, all confirmed."
"Any women or children?"
"Sometimes."
"How could you shoot women and children!?"
"Easy, you just don't lead them so much. Hahahah! Ain't war hell? Hahahah!"


It wasn't exactly one of the more glorious moments in USA history, or the history of the army. I think we also remember who actually won that fight - both factors, as has been explained before, that contribute to general reluctantness of game-makes or at least the funders, regarding the Vietnam war.

And the fairly carefree way of spreading napalm didn't exactly help matters either.

 

[Jabberwock xeno]

Probably because our country did some pretty messed up war crimes, much more than usual.

 

[voetballeeuw]

Probably because America did not do so well in Vietnam, and would like to not relive some bad memories.

 

[IBlackKiteI]

Everything I wanted to say has already been said, Vietnam sucked.

They should make a game where you play as a Viet Cong.
Even if you spent the whole thing digging tunnels and laying traps, hell, I'd buy it.

 

[Sn1P3r M98]

Men of Valor

I love Men of Valor!

Seriously, if you want a Vietnam game, play Men of Valor, you won't be disappointed.

 

[octafish]

So I'm the only one who remembers Platoon: The Game?

 

[Lord Habbs]

There were quite a few a few years ago, but it seems to have become less popular again.

And for the record, America didn't lose the war. They withdrew because they were stuck in a stalemate which they couldn't win, which makes it a draw. Furthermore, a big part of the problem was anti-war public sentiment in the US. A lot of it is down to historical interpretation.

American Aim in Vietnam: To preserve the Republic of the South of Vietnam and to stop it being taken over by the communist north...

North Vietnamise Aim: To unify vietnam under communist rule

1975...Vietnam unifies under the communists and the republic is destroyed...

hmmmmm that sounds like a loss to me

OT: Yeah, they are out there. As said before, they aren't AAA titles though so aren't that great and and not very well known.

Vietcong not a triple A game :O sounds like blasphemy sir...
i think thats just a mix of nostalgia and a love of the historical accuracy on my part

 

[Nyquisted]

Oh, and half a million US dead.

58,149 Dead
1,719 Missing
303,635 Wounded

So yes casualties were high, but half a million dead, I think not.

Well adding those numbers together makes 363,503.
Which I suppose someone could have rounded up to half a million casualties.

I think perhaps it should be time for a big games company to delve into that part of history again. I mean, no other war in the last 60 years has been more effective at doing the whole 'War is Hell' theme.

Personally though, I'm rooting for Battlefield: Falklands.
I mean, who hasn't heard of that war.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

Because the majority of game studios are American and you don't really like to make games where your players are going to lose the war. It just wouldn't sell too well.

Ummmm... America won the Vietnam war...

...what?

We won every major battle and when we left the goal (preventing the fall of the South) had been upheld. Sure that fell apart in less than two years after we left but technically we left the war as victors. In a less technical sense however we lost the war because the ultimate goal quickly failed after we left.

 

[Gahars]

As has been recently mentioned, Black Ops, Battlefield: Vietnam and Bad Company 2: Vietnam, and others exist.

However, as to why it isn't the new WW2 games, it's probably because...

1) The US lost, and these games set in the war, most FPS, are aimed at American audiences. Many people probably wouldn't enjoy that their country lost, especially since the war is viewed very critically in retrospect.

2) The war featured a lot of gorilla warfare. Not a whole lot of big, epic action sets like in WW2. Smaller skirmishes, surprise attacks, etc. that don't necessarily provide for entertaining gameplay.

 

[SturmDolch]

Best Vietname game ever:

Thank-you. That game was amazing. Nothing like re-enacting Apocalypse Now on real players in 32 vs 32 war zones.

 

[Skinny Razor]

Vietnam is the name of a country, and is only one word.

No, it's two words: Việt Nam. English speakers combine the two syllables to make one word.

In most languages I know it's one word. Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, English. However in Spanish and German it's possible to use both. The language we're using on this site is English so one word is correct.

I've only tried Shellshock and Battlefield Vietnam, but as mentioned there's a few others too.

No, it's not correct, it's just what they use. "Correct" is what native speakers use. If we're going to be pedantic.

 

[Obliterato]

Personally though, I'm rooting for Battlefield: Falklands.
I mean, who hasn't heard of that war.

That would be a pretty awesome game. One of the few times where two sides that are almost technological equals (Britain had a slight advantage in technology, but very slight) and where two modernised airforces have faced each other. I think there is an Operation Flashpoint mod for it, but I don't think an official game would ever be made considering the political hot potato it represents, especially now they've discovered oil off the islands and you're bound to get a new round of ownership claims by Argentina.

 

[Ekonk]

I lol so fucking hard at all the American citizens trying to either justify that piece of shit war or trying to convince themselves they actually won that piece of shit war.

Seriously, you lost. In war there is no 'tie', to whoever used that word. No prizes for second place. You lost fair and square and if your enormous national ego can't take it, then too bad for you, because the rest of the world is gonna keep reminding you of it.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

Because the majority of game studios are American and you don't really like to make games where your players are going to lose the war. It just wouldn't sell too well.

Ummmm... America won the Vietnam war...

No, they didn't... retard...

While you should be definitely modded for this post, it still made my day.

 

[Ekonk]

Mostly cause its a sad moment in American history. No one really wants to talk about it since it was just a disgrace all around.

Personally, I'd like to make a vietnam game, but it wouldnt work out well, cause i'd give the option of total war and then that country would wind up as nothing more then a blackened scorched burn mark on the earth. Sorry, we had this conversation in history and when our teacher asked us how we would have handled the war, thats what most of us said.

Well you obviously don't know the history behind it.

Do the words 'guerilla warfare' mean anything to you? The Vietcong hid in the midst of the civilians, and the civilians often supported them, with good reason. The American presence in their land was probably the worst thing happening to them in their miserable lifetimes. What was this about a blackened scorched burn mark on the earth? What, are you going to kill an entire country? Every civilian? I don't think so, laddie.

 

[emeraldrafael]

Mostly cause its a sad moment in American history. No one really wants to talk about it since it was just a disgrace all around.

Personally, I'd like to make a vietnam game, but it wouldnt work out well, cause i'd give the option of total war and then that country would wind up as nothing more then a blackened scorched burn mark on the earth. Sorry, we had this conversation in history and when our teacher asked us how we would have handled the war, thats what most of us said.

Well you obviously don't know the history behind it.

Do the words 'guerilla warfare' mean anything to you? The Vietcong hid in the midst of the civilians, and the civilians often supported them, with good reason. The American presence in their land was probably the worst thing happening to them in their miserable lifetimes. What was this about a blackened scorched burn mark on the earth? What, are you going to kill an entire country? Every civilian? I don't think so, laddie.

Oh, I know the History of it. And yeah, its called total war. If the US wanted it done and wanted it done fast, they should have rolled through that country like General Sherman did through the Confederate South. I'm not saying its ethically right, just saying its the fastest way. All war in and of itself where anyone dies is bad, its just what level of bad you want to make it.

And I disagree. If the French hadnt left a crumbling government and actually picked up their shit, there wouldnt have been a need for the war or American occupation.

For More information on Sherman's march (incase you dont know or dont study American Civil war history):
http://www.sonofthesouth.net/leefoundation/shermans-march-to-the-sea.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman%27s_March_to_the_Sea
http://www.civilwarhome.com/shermangeorgia.htm
http://www.history.com/topics/william-t-sherman

And I can pretty much with complete certainty say that had he had the military technology we have today, he would have done the same thing. But that was back before the US had to listen to that joke of a code of ethics the UN handed down.



EDIT: Found two lists of games that are about/feature the vietnam war in some part.

Games About (have at least one level): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Vietnam_War_video_games
Games that Feature (some of these might be just mentioning it or referencing it though, not really sure): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_in_games