View on rape, and the punishment/lack thereof, of the perpetrator

[Darius Brogan]

This is another 'Rattling around in my brain' thing that I'm having trouble ignoring.

I have some rather hardcore views on rape, myself, and they tend to freak people out a bit.

Personally, I believe that, regardless of how the woman/man in question was dressed or acting, there is no such thing as 'asking to get raped', as it involves a certain willingness to partake in the action to be 'asking for it', in which case, it's no longer rape, but consensual intercourse.

My views on punishment are where things get hardcore, they also parallel my view on murderers/serial killers, as well as my parents views on such, though my opinion developed independently of theirs.

My views on the punishment of said criminals is thus: Death.

When one is willing to deliberately hunt down a victim that, in almost all cases of rape, is not physically capable of fighting back, and force themselves on them in a sexual, and more often than not, violent and brutal way, they are no longer a part of what we refer to as 'Humanity' because they have given up the most basic of all 'Human' traits, and that is the trait of self-control, our ability to keep a lid on much of our 'instincts'.

Not only this, but they have gone beyond a natural instinct to procreate, which all animals possess, and turned it into a deliberately violent act, perpetrated against another human, just to get a cheap, quick thrill out of it.

These people cannot be rehabilitated simply because they choose to be the way they are, and they should be removed from the population. At least that's my views on the subject.

So tell me, what are your views on Rape, male or female victim, and how severe to you believe the punishment should be for it?

EDIT: PLEASE NOTE, I'm talking about entirely lucid, forced sex against the other persons will, not 'Drunken, regrettable romps', not 'sexual bargaining', RAPE! OR situations where one party drugs the other and then forces sex. (Both have happened to people close to me)

Thank you.

 

[Julianking93]

Someone who commits such a horrible and vile act against another human isn't worth the life they're given.
However, I don't believe they deserve death either. In some cases, that's seen as a peaceful escape considering the means of execution nowadays.
No, being the deranged and jaded fuck that I am, and being cynical and thus seeing no possibility for one to be "rehabilitated" or even deserving of such opportunity, I say let them rot in a prison cell for the rest of their miserable life.

Sorry if I come across as completely insane, but this is a sensitive subject with me as well.

 

[OutforEC]

Of all the atrocities that humankind seems to delight in heaping upon itself, I believe rape is one of the ones that has absolutely no justification, and if I was ok with capital punishment in general, I'd be ok with rape being one of the (very) few things that merited it.

That being said, the evidence of guilt would have to be overwhelming.

 

[Darius Brogan]

Sorry if I come across as completely insane, but this is a sensitive subject with me as well.

Oh, you don't have to worry about sounding insane, my best friends ex was raped by her roommate a few months ago, and if she hadn't called the cops before I could get there, the dumb Son-of-a-***** would have been a fine red paste all over the walls.

So yeah, for me, insanity is completely natural.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

If the evidence was overwhelming, I see no problem with ending such a life.

They need to pay for what they did. And if nothing else, the world will be safer without them. I believe Rorschach said it best when he said ?Men get taken in; dogs get put down?, or something of that nature.

EDIT: I guess I should mention that one of my cousins was attacked in such a manner. Before the person could commit the act, however, she pulled out her pistol and put two bullets through his brain. The world is better off without that bastard.

EDIT: And what I am refering to is a 100% done with malice back alley sort of situation. In a sort of "He said, she said" situation, I don't know.

 

[Ara69]

The main issue is the amount of girls who are not raped, but simply regret later on, and then claim rape. Its very easy to prove they have had sex with the man in question, but near on impossible to know if it was consensual.

Recently in my home country a girl agreed to have sex with three muslim boys for a small sum of money, when they afterwards refused to pay, she claimed rape - and in these times its easy to see why the 3 boys where jailed and had a very tough case proving that it was consensual.

The only reason they where cleared was because the girl in a drunken stupor confessed to a friend who then reported it to the police.

Girls like her are the reason why the punishment for rape is so low, the risk of a rape charge just being a cheap form of vengance is too great.

All that said I have a vicious hatred towards violent acts of all kinds, rape/murder/beatings - but there are too many grey areas, with the limited forensic science we have.

 

[bjj hero]

Everyone seems to think of rape as a violent and brutal act. It often is but not always.

Under British law you can not consent if you are under the influence of alcohol or drugs. So if you take a girl home who's been drinking at the club you are commiting rape under British law.

Death sentence?

Are you including statutory rape? A 17 year old male with a 15 year old girlfriend?

Decisions, decisions.

My feelings? The law needs to be flexible in its sentencing. No 2 crimes and their circumstances are the same.

 

[tehlordofmyownworld]

It would only be someone almost devoid of humanity who would do such a thing, and I believe they should be tortured to death. Something that references to the the crimes they have committed, and be horrifying and full of pain, something that makes them feel truly bad.
I hope I didn't come off as sounding insane.

But yeah, it would have to be proved.Beyond any reasonable doubt.

 

[A Weakgeek]

Sterilization. And I don't mean the medical way, I mean the **** on a table and a kitchen knife way.

 

[Angerwing]

My views on the punishment of said criminals is thus: Death.

What if the person is innocent? It's extremely easy for a woman to accuse a man of rape. Say they had sex, the woman decides later on that she hates the man, and accuses him of rape. They did have sex, there could be evidence of them having sex, but how do we know if it's consensual or not (from a legal standpoint)? It's her word against his.

I think you're focusing too much on the 'back alley' violent rape, and ignoring the far more popular 'date rape'. Guys sleeping with drunk girls, or generally taking advantage. Personally, violent rapists should be killed. It's one of the very few crimes with no justification, and it's possibly the most abhorrent thing one person can do to another. But false accusations of rape are very prevalent, and almost impossible to prove, which makes punishment for it very tricky. Having such a hard-line stance on the punishment will invariably prove to be unfair, and a violation of justice. The justice isn't, and never will be (until we have mind-reading machines) perfect. Many cases DO boil down to a 'his word against hers' situation.

It's sad to admit, but for every fucked up male out there, there's a fucked up female, and accusing a guy of rape is an easy way to do serious harm to his reputation.

Also, inb4 "Men can be raped as well!"
I know.

 

[khiliani]

the majority (I believe, I have no data to back it up with) of rape cases are not clear cut "guy drags girl into bushes and rapes her" ones, but tend to be complex arguments over consent was given, and who was intending what. most of these cases end up collapsing or altering verdicts, and you cannot have a such a permanent punishment, death, as a solution to such a mess. as well as this there is my normal issues with the death penalty to do with the morality and the effectiveness of the action.

i understand for the clear cut cases that the death penalty may be necessary however.

 

[Darius Brogan]

Everyone seems to think of rape as a violent and brutal act. It often is but not always.

Under British law you can not consent if you are under the influence of alcohol or drugs. So if you take a girl home who's been drinking at the club you are commiting rape under British law.

Death sentence?

Are you including statutory rape? A 17 year old male with a 15 year old girlfriend?

Decisions, decisions.

My feelings? The law needs to be flexible in its sentencing. No 2 crimes and their circumstances are the same.

Statutory rape is bullshit if they're having consensual sex.
My sister had a boyfriend (Total douche-bag, but for completely different reasons) that was 6 years older than her (she was 15 at the time) and they had sex.
I hate the son of a *****, but he was legitimately her boyfriend, of that I have no problem.

The 'Rape' coined here is forced sex that is completely against the will of the opposite party.

There are certain age limitations that should be imposed when considering sex, but those are for discussion in another topic.

 

[OutforEC]

No, being the deranged and jaded fuck that I am, and being cynical and thus seeing no possibility for one to be "rehabilitated" or even deserving of such opportunity, I say let them rot in a prison cell for the rest of their miserable life.

I personally believe that instead of capital punishment we should use them for medical or scientific experimentation. That way at least they can contribute to society in a way they weren't able to before their conviction. Of course, it would never fly due to human rights and all, but just killing someone is a waste of valuable resources.

So remember, as insane as you think you may sound in polite company, there's always someone out there who has even more extreme ideas...

 

[Filiecs]

To rape, in my opinion, is for one person to have sex without consent with another person. After they are tried and found guilty in a court of lay (don't ask me how)they are judged. I personally do not believe in death as a penalty in my own ideal society. With a man in your situation, ideally I would sentence them to banishment from society to a remote island. Preferably alone but with the capability to survive.

Realistically, I would settle on life imprisonment or death.

 

[Erana]

The thing is here, OP... Are we talkin' Rape rape, or all the things people try to slap the term "Rape" onto, including the not-so-rape-y things?

If you don't specify whether we're arguing semantics or not, the direction for the thread is kidna wishy-washy.

 

[Darius Brogan]

My views on the punishment of said criminals is thus: Death.

What if the person is innocent? It's extremely easy for a woman to accuse a man of rape. Say they had sex, the woman decides later on that she hates the man, and accuses him of rape. They did have sex, there could be evidence of them having sex, but how do we know if it's consensual or not (from a legal standpoint)? It's her word against his.

I think you're focusing too much on the 'back alley' violent rape, and ignoring the far more popular 'date rape'. Guys sleeping with drunk girls, or generally taking advantage. Personally, violent rapists should be killed. It's one of the very few crimes with no justification, and it's possibly the most abhorrent thing one person can do to another. But false accusations of rape are very prevalent, and almost impossible to prove, which makes punishment for it very tricky. Having such a hard-line stance on the punishment will invariably prove to be unfair, and a violation of justice. The justice isn't, and never will be (until we have mind-reading machines) perfect. Many cases DO boil down to a 'his word against hers' situation.

It's sad to admit, but for every fucked up male out there, there's a fucked up female, and accusing a guy of rape is an easy way to do serious harm to his reputation.

Also, inb4 "Men can be raped as well!"
I know.

Well, my views on drunken-taking-advantage-of's are a little different.

Lets say a guy has sex with a girl at a party, after she's had a few too many, then, in the morning, she claims it was rape.

If it can be proven that she was too drunk to reason effectively, he should be punished for taking advantage of her, yes. It was not entirely his fault however, because, even when you're absolutely black-out hammered, you still have cognitive abilities enough to realize what's going on. (personal experience talking on this point)

 

[MikeCrick]

Touchy issue and far too gray to make a flat line decision about, each case will have it's on unique factors. On principle alone? total agreement.

One thing I will say however is that I believe rapists should always be put in with general population, especially child rapists. I cannot stand how we 'protect' these criminals by separating them. How is a rape any less of a crime than a murder? Sure the victim is still alive but some of those victims spend the rest of their lives wishing they were dead.

Let Bubba sort 'em out I say.

 

[Darius Brogan]

The thing is here, OP... Are we talkin' Rape rape, or all the things people try to slap the term "Rape" onto, including the not-so-rape-y things?

If you don't specify whether we're arguing semantics or not, the direction for the thread is kidna wishy-washy.

The situations to which I'm referring are rape where neither party is beyond the ability to reason (Read: Drunk) and one forces the other to have sex.
Drunken stupid sex doesn't really count in my books unless, at ANY point during intercourse, one party says 'stop' and the other keeps going, against the will of their partner, then it's a deliberate, forced act, and therefore is rape.

 

[CommanderKirov]

Rape is one of the worst things a human can commit.

But having death penalty is just a stupid way of dealing with it. I rather to go with castration and live imprisonment.