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WeevilStew

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Oh man. I would love it. First of all, my town is tiny and the only real 'crime' is a bunch of high schoolers driving around smoking herb and speeding. So this batman character would basically be driving around in his bat mobile pulling kids over and taking their stash. I'm sure the cops would mind because they are bored enough as it is, and the towns people would certainly mind because of fear that the caped crime fighter would lower property values. I however would laugh every time the local paper covered more of his antics. I'm sure it would get national coverage eventually. A small town with almost zero violent crimes being protected by some caped crusader? Oh man, its almost too much.
 

IrrelevantTangent

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ZenMonkey47 said:
I think it's an established fact that we as a culture are in love with the concept of the vigilante. Practically all comic book super heroes can be considered vigilantes.

So I propose a question. Say your berg gets a Batman. Sure he dresses up like a rodent, but the guy knows what he's doing. He's practically a one man army, and his name is whispered in worried tones thought the criminal underworld. His methods may be questionable at times, but he gets results and he's as incorruptible as they come. However, for good or ill he's accountable to no one and is, in essence, denying citizens (granted not the citizens you want to be alone with in a dark alley, mind you) their rights. After all, who's to stop him coming down on you?

How would you feel about this character? Would you support him in his crusade to make life better for the honest folk or would you demand that he take off the mask and fight crime as a police officer or stop all together?
If we're talking about billionaire-in-disguise Dark-Knight Batman, then yes, I'd fully support him, 100%. (So long as he avoids killing unless absolutely necessary; we don't want just a friendly lawbreaker here)

Sometimes people have to stand up for what is right, and if you have a badass vigilante like Batman that knows what he's doing, then I'd support him.
 

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The_Logician19 said:
"And they will look up from their slime; the polititians, and the whores and they will shout 'Save us!' and I will look down on them and I will whisper, 'No.'"

-from Watchmen by Alan Moore.
Wow. That quote was especially good- and chilling. Remind me to read Watchmen (the comic) sometime.
 

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Rajin Cajun said:
Pseudonym2 said:
Rajin Cajun said:
Dechef said:
Screw the Batman, give us a Dirty Harry!
Pretty much this. Fuck criminal "rights.
You won't think that once you're accused of a crime.
Oh really and what crime would that be?
I don't know, maybe defending yourself with a cane because you're elderly and you have no other self-defense weapon available? And the people that you're defending against are armed and will beat you to a bloody pulp unless you do something?
 

Rajin Cajun

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Pseudonym2 said:
Rajin Cajun said:
Pseudonym2 said:
Rajin Cajun said:
Dechef said:
Screw the Batman, give us a Dirty Harry!
Pretty much this. Fuck criminal "rights.
You won't think that once you're accused of a crime.
Oh really and what crime would that be?
Doesn't matter. You don't have to commit the crime to be accused of it.
Oh really what am I living in a 1984 recreation?
 

Pseudonym2

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Rajin Cajun said:
Pseudonym2 said:
Rajin Cajun said:
Pseudonym2 said:
Rajin Cajun said:
Dechef said:
Screw the Batman, give us a Dirty Harry!
Pretty much this. Fuck criminal "rights.
You won't think that once you're accused of a crime.
Oh really and what crime would that be?
Doesn't matter. You don't have to commit the crime to be accused of it.
Oh really what am I living in a 1984 recreation?
Are you really trying to argue that no innocent people get convicted much less arrested?
 

darkless

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So long as the batman doesn't turn out like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsaFO3B_GhM
 

Rajin Cajun

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Pseudonym2 said:
Rajin Cajun said:
Pseudonym2 said:
Rajin Cajun said:
Pseudonym2 said:
Rajin Cajun said:
Dechef said:
Screw the Batman, give us a Dirty Harry!
Pretty much this. Fuck criminal "rights.
You won't think that once you're accused of a crime.
Oh really and what crime would that be?
Doesn't matter. You don't have to commit the crime to be accused of it.
Oh really what am I living in a 1984 recreation?
Are you really trying to argue that no innocent people get convicted much less arrested?
I am not saying the Justice System is perfect but it has gotten a lot better in the department of Violent Crimes thankfully due to DNA testing. The system is run by humans so saying there are not mistakes is a joke but the justice system only reacts to crime it doesn't prevent. Thus it is useless and only a means of control used by the State. Anyways this has nothing to do with vigilantism so stop bringing it off topic.
 

Pseudonym2

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Rajin Cajun said:
Pseudonym2 said:
Rajin Cajun said:
Pseudonym2 said:
Rajin Cajun said:
Pseudonym2 said:
Rajin Cajun said:
Dechef said:
Screw the Batman, give us a Dirty Harry!
Pretty much this. Fuck criminal "rights.
You won't think that once you're accused of a crime.
Oh really and what crime would that be?
Doesn't matter. You don't have to commit the crime to be accused of it.
Oh really what am I living in a 1984 recreation?
Are you really trying to argue that no innocent people get convicted much less arrested?
I am not saying the Justice System is perfect but it has gotten a lot better in the department of Violent Crimes thankfully due to DNA testing. The system is run by humans so saying there are not mistakes is a joke but the justice system only reacts to crime it doesn't prevent. Thus it is useless and only a means of control used by the State. Anyways this has nothing to do with vigilantism so stop bringing it off topic.
If the justice system is sometimes wrong and they have millions of dollars do you think a lethal vigilante could be anymore accurate?
 

Rajin Cajun

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Pseudonym2 said:
Rajin Cajun said:
Pseudonym2 said:
Rajin Cajun said:
Pseudonym2 said:
Rajin Cajun said:
Pseudonym2 said:
Rajin Cajun said:
Dechef said:
Screw the Batman, give us a Dirty Harry!
Pretty much this. Fuck criminal "rights.
You won't think that once you're accused of a crime.
Oh really and what crime would that be?
Doesn't matter. You don't have to commit the crime to be accused of it.
Oh really what am I living in a 1984 recreation?
Are you really trying to argue that no innocent people get convicted much less arrested?
I am not saying the Justice System is perfect but it has gotten a lot better in the department of Violent Crimes thankfully due to DNA testing. The system is run by humans so saying there are not mistakes is a joke but the justice system only reacts to crime it doesn't prevent. Thus it is useless and only a means of control used by the State. Anyways this has nothing to do with vigilantism so stop bringing it off topic.
If the justice system is sometimes wrong and they have millions of dollars do you think a lethal vigilante could be anymore accurate?
Yes a vigilante is more accurate because he is actually witnessing crimes in progress or only going after known criminals. S/he is at least on the street actively pursuing violent criminals whereas you are comparing them to a bunch of corrupt bureaucrats. Yes I would trust a vigilante more then I would ever trust a bureaucrat.
 

Pseudonym2

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Rajin Cajun said:
Pseudonym2 said:
Rajin Cajun said:
Pseudonym2 said:
Rajin Cajun said:
Pseudonym2 said:
Rajin Cajun said:
Pseudonym2 said:
Rajin Cajun said:
Dechef said:
Screw the Batman, give us a Dirty Harry!
Pretty much this. Fuck criminal "rights.
You won't think that once you're accused of a crime.
Oh really and what crime would that be?
Doesn't matter. You don't have to commit the crime to be accused of it.
Oh really what am I living in a 1984 recreation?
Are you really trying to argue that no innocent people get convicted much less arrested?
I am not saying the Justice System is perfect but it has gotten a lot better in the department of Violent Crimes thankfully due to DNA testing. The system is run by humans so saying there are not mistakes is a joke but the justice system only reacts to crime it doesn't prevent. Thus it is useless and only a means of control used by the State. Anyways this has nothing to do with vigilantism so stop bringing it off topic.
If the justice system is sometimes wrong and they have millions of dollars do you think a lethal vigilante could be anymore accurate?
Yes a vigilante is more accurate because he is actually witnessing crimes in progress or only going after known criminals. S/he is at least on the street actively pursuing violent criminals whereas you are comparing them to a bunch of corrupt bureaucrats. Yes I would trust a vigilante more then I would ever trust a bureaucrat.
Once again, what do you do when (s)he thinks you're one the violent criminals? Vigilantes don't accept trails, lawyers, or any indication of the victim's innocence?
 

Rajin Cajun

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They don't accept victim's innocence? Uh ok you are just going through it with the whole vigilantism=bad like they are some kind of killing machine that just slaughters anyone without forethought thus meaning any conversation with you is useless. Why would they think I am a violent criminal unless I have gotten caught doing such a crime or have been convicted before?
 

DannyDamage

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We should try fixing the broken system we have now instead of just trying to replace it with another potentially flawed one.

Don't get me wrong, it's a nice idea (god I've thought about it) and if someone's mugging someone in the street and you feel like head-butting the purse snatcher, feel free. But what you described would just lead to chaos. Everyone and their dog would stick their pants on their head and run around 'fighting crime'.

All it would lead to is street wars I'm afraid.....well......more street wars anyway.