Villains that really successfully made you HATE them
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Fractral said:
Yeah, she did seem a bit weird, that's why I reckon it's a trap. Because she starts to really trust Jaime a lot more, hell, I start to like jaime a lot more, once he loses his hand. Also, with robb, there's a theory that because Jeyne's mother was wheeling and dealing with the lannisters, and because her mother was a witch, she gave robb and jeyne a love potion so that he'd marry her, get the frey's to kill him, and then get paid. It sounds like a hell of a long play for such a minor character, I might expect that kind of thing from baelish, but not from her, but I wouldn't rule it out.
I still think roose is a dick. Defying an important custom to kill his king, before taking over, fracturing the northern lords, and making the entire area unstable and violent? Hardly seems like something a good ruler would do.
As for Arya, I think the guy that stannis sent to braavos will bring her back, but she seems to be changed by all the faceless men spirituality stuff. IIRC, she stops reciting her list? Maybe she'll keep the whole "I'm no one" mentality, and get shocked out of it when she sees a relative? Who knows?
I still think roose is a dick. Defying an important custom to kill his king, before taking over, fracturing the northern lords, and making the entire area unstable and violent? Hardly seems like something a good ruler would do.
As for Arya, I think the guy that stannis sent to braavos will bring her back, but she seems to be changed by all the faceless men spirituality stuff. IIRC, she stops reciting her list? Maybe she'll keep the whole "I'm no one" mentality, and get shocked out of it when she sees a relative? Who knows?
Question: Where do you stand on Jon's mother? I lean towards the whole rhaegar/lyanna thing, but seeing as that's the most popular theory, martin will probably go with something else for the lolz
The homunculus Wrath in the first Fullmetal Alchemist anime, although that was more because he was an annoying little momma?s boy who didn?t have any right to possess Ed?s lost arm and leg, as well as use alchemy with it.
I'll see your King Joffery and raise you one Gregor Clegane.
"The Mountain That Rides" is the epitome of a bully, abusing both his social status and physical power.
He burns his brother's face, beheads his own horse after losing a joust, murders an entire village (several, in fact) and rapes an innkeeper's daughter (and makes him PAY for the privilege)...all for the sole reason of "Because He Can".
George R.R. Martin created literally the biggest asshole in Westeros when he wrote the elder Clegane.
"The Mountain That Rides" is the epitome of a bully, abusing both his social status and physical power.
He burns his brother's face, beheads his own horse after losing a joust, murders an entire village (several, in fact) and rapes an innkeeper's daughter (and makes him PAY for the privilege)...all for the sole reason of "Because He Can".
George R.R. Martin created literally the biggest asshole in Westeros when he wrote the elder Clegane.
Dolores Umbridge from Harry Potter. I don't need to say anything on her really.
Elaida a'Roihan from Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series. Idiotic, sexist and insane.
Not a good anime but this Makoto from School Days will make you want to rip his face off:
Elaida a'Roihan from Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series. Idiotic, sexist and insane.
Not a good anime but this Makoto from School Days will make you want to rip his face off:
Tuco Salamanca and Walter White.
Tuco for obvious reasons, but as for Walter, I'm honestly impressed by how much I hate him. I can't pinpoint when I started hating him, or even when I could clearly say he became a villain. Him taking on his "Heisenberg" identity for the first time was one of the most amazing scenes in the show, and I was like, "Woah, 'Heisenberg' is awesome!" I was rooting for him at the beginning, but at some point I started despising Walter with every fiber of my being. I realized it at the end of the 4th season, but it had been going on longer than that.
Tuco for obvious reasons, but as for Walter, I'm honestly impressed by how much I hate him. I can't pinpoint when I started hating him, or even when I could clearly say he became a villain. Him taking on his "Heisenberg" identity for the first time was one of the most amazing scenes in the show, and I was like, "Woah, 'Heisenberg' is awesome!" I was rooting for him at the beginning, but at some point I started despising Walter with every fiber of my being. I realized it at the end of the 4th season, but it had been going on longer than that.
thats...kind of the point, it was a charachter studyRJ 17 said:] And that's why There Will Be Blood is the worst, most boring movie I have ever seen.
the funny thing is I watched it and wondered "I don;t get it...why is he supposed to be so evil?" I honestly watched nearly the whole thing and didn't see him as all that bad except where he kind of neglects his son and of coarse his freak out at the end, I feel some of his actions can be interpreted different ways...or at least thats how I read it
I don't really know to be honest. I thought that she was just some random noble woman- I hadn't realised it might be important to the plot. How would it be anything to do with Rhaegar or Lyanna though? You mean Jon might be their son? I guess that makes some kind of sense... such as why Ned is so reluctant to talk about it, as if anyone knew they'd try and kill him.CAMDAWG said:
Handsome Jack, surprisingly. Yeah, he starts as a gloriously over the top asshole, mocking and laughing at you in a way that is too enjoyable to hate, but as the game goes on you start to really hate his ass. For me, I think the turning point from having fun with his asshole persona to just not waiting to blow a hole through the back of his skull was probably the end of the Animal Enclosure map. It only got progressively stronger from then. Pity the boss fight was so unsatisfying though.
I understand that it's a character study, but there should be a point to it. Why should I care about this jackass? What are you trying to say about the character?Vault101 said:thats...kind of the point, it was a charachter studyRJ 17 said:] And that's why There Will Be Blood is the worst, most boring movie I have ever seen.
the funny thing is I watched it and wondered "I don;t get it...why is he supposed to be so evil?" I honestly watched nearly the whole thing and didn't see him as all that bad except where he kind of neglects his son and of coarse his freak out at the end, I feel some of his actions can be interpreted different ways...or at least thats how I read it
What makes him "evil" is that he puts money and profit above all else, the neglect of his son is one of the focal points of this, because it's not even his son, it's just some guy's baby that was on the job with him. Why did he want a kid of his own? So he could travel around giving the whole "I'm a family man" shpeel so he could say "Heeeeyyy, I'm just your friendly neighborhood oil tycoon, here to make a profit off your land." He uses everyone and everything in order to make a profit. In short: it's his rampant, unapologetic greed that makes him "evil".
And what's the point? Rampant greed gets you everything you want, you'll just be an asshole for it. But you'll have a bowling alley in your house and all the milkshakes you can drink!
Even character studies should have some form of conflict for which the character does a little self reflection. In this one the guy just keeps winning, there is no true confrontation of his character to examine the flaws in his character.
Ugh, I wanted to smack everyone who uttered that phrase, except Azrael, I wanted to strangle him as previously mentioned.Ishal said:
Also Raww Le Kleuze could be filed under this as well once he abandoned all pretense of respectability and started raving like a lunatic. Not nearly to the degree of Azrael though.
Easily Saren from Mass Effect 1. First time I played through ME1 I didn't understand why he was doing what he was doing but by the time I was at Virmire I really believed he had to stop BY ANY MEANS necessary and even more so once Kaidan died. Also I was more than happy to bring both Wrex and Garrus along on the final mission, DAT scene where Shepard is like,
"Make sure he's dead!"
Then seeing Wrex walk up and shoot him right in the head with Garrus standing right beside him was like... MERICA' FUCK YEAH!!!
"Make sure he's dead!"
Then seeing Wrex walk up and shoot him right in the head with Garrus standing right beside him was like... MERICA' FUCK YEAH!!!
For everyone saying Joffery, I agree. Him, as well as Ramsay Bolton (Roose doesn't bother me so much for some reason), The Frey's in general, The Mountain that Rides, Cercei, and a few others I can't remember off the top of my head. Martin has a real talent to make us hate characters and still want to keep reading about them
Another vote for Joffrey Baratheon and the Governor from Walking Dead (comics). Joffrey for obvious reasons and the Governor because he's all kinds of terrifyingly crazy. What makes it worse is that his love and protectiveness over his community makes you wish he wasn't crazy because otherwise he'd be a stand up guy.
Also some unmentioned ones:
Trixie from Madness Combat. Seriously that stupid clown would keep resurrecting and killing Hank in the cheapest possible way, at one point he turns into a giant demon clown when dropped off a cliff. So cheap, but yet so satisfying when he's killed for good.
King Leod VII from Lost Kingdoms 2. That pansy jerk was so full of himself.
Rhulad Sengar from Tales of the Malazan Book of the Fallen series. A crazy king that wields a sword that makes him stronger every time he dies. The worst kind of jerk.
Also some unmentioned ones:
Trixie from Madness Combat. Seriously that stupid clown would keep resurrecting and killing Hank in the cheapest possible way, at one point he turns into a giant demon clown when dropped off a cliff. So cheap, but yet so satisfying when he's killed for good.
King Leod VII from Lost Kingdoms 2. That pansy jerk was so full of himself.
Rhulad Sengar from Tales of the Malazan Book of the Fallen series. A crazy king that wields a sword that makes him stronger every time he dies. The worst kind of jerk.
Yeah dude Le Kleuze really went off the deep end toward the end of the show. When he blew up that shuttle with the red head on it I was quite truthfully stunned. I didn't see that coming when it did. Muruta and Le Kleuze had excellent voice actors tho. The guy voicing Le Kleuze was also the enemy in the PC strategy game Homeworld 2. Gundam seed might be the best gundam out there...Gundam Seed: Destiny was pretty good too tho. If you haven't see that one yet I'd advise you check it out.canadamus_prime said:
Azrael From Gundam SEED,the governer from walking dead,the illusive man,Joffrey Lannister,Cersei Lannister,Ramsey Bolton and,although not a direct villain,Daenerys Targarynen.
What I like about the Song Of Ice and fire series is that you can paint villains as anti heroes,well,except Joffrey,the snobby litle **** along with his powermad ***** of a mother.
Now,where was I? yes, you can pai t heroes as villains.Daenerys,Instead of Marching on Westeros just when here strength of her army was full,and when chaos in Westeros was high decided to try and bring order to a city with diseases,religous cults,crime and other nasty thing.
Ramsey Just sickens me,but I do like what does to Theon,hated the bastard from the minute he was introduced.
Illusive man is like a republican politician.He tries to do good,but ends up using everything to spread his agenda and power.Killing him in ME3 was really underplayed and not satisfying.
George RR martin does a great job of portraying characters and making us hate them without blatant exposition.He sets up their personalities to be hated,not just saying OMG HE KILLS PUPPIES AND KILLS KIDS AND STUFF HATE HIM HATE HIM AAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
Kai Friggin leng deserves mention.He seemed so arrogant,acting like theperfect killer,but seeing him lose against thane in hand to hand combat before he killed him cheaply made me think of him as acting like the perfect assasin,but being the brutal and skill less soldier he really was.
Seeing the bastard drown in his own blood after countless sniper shots was satisfying.
What I like about the Song Of Ice and fire series is that you can paint villains as anti heroes,well,except Joffrey,the snobby litle **** along with his powermad ***** of a mother.
Now,where was I? yes, you can pai t heroes as villains.Daenerys,Instead of Marching on Westeros just when here strength of her army was full,and when chaos in Westeros was high decided to try and bring order to a city with diseases,religous cults,crime and other nasty thing.
Ramsey Just sickens me,but I do like what does to Theon,hated the bastard from the minute he was introduced.
Illusive man is like a republican politician.He tries to do good,but ends up using everything to spread his agenda and power.Killing him in ME3 was really underplayed and not satisfying.
George RR martin does a great job of portraying characters and making us hate them without blatant exposition.He sets up their personalities to be hated,not just saying OMG HE KILLS PUPPIES AND KILLS KIDS AND STUFF HATE HIM HATE HIM AAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
Kai Friggin leng deserves mention.He seemed so arrogant,acting like theperfect killer,but seeing him lose against thane in hand to hand combat before he killed him cheaply made me think of him as acting like the perfect assasin,but being the brutal and skill less soldier he really was.
Seeing the bastard drown in his own blood after countless sniper shots was satisfying.
Handsome Jack: I Kinda had sympathy toward him at the end of the game. (Borderlands 2)
Vaas: Had sympathy for him also, but I loved his attitude and characteristics.(Farcry 3)
Hoyt: Yeah he can go die. (Farcry 3)
Vaas: Had sympathy for him also, but I loved his attitude and characteristics.(Farcry 3)
Hoyt: Yeah he can go die. (Farcry 3)
You think Light was bad? Wait until they introduce Kiyomi Takada...Chromatic Aberration said:
EDIT: Buck from Far Cry 3. As a rule, I despise sex slavers, but what I hate more is the people who buy sex slaves, knowing full well what a dreadful thing it is but not giving a shit. That's Buck in a nutshell.