Villains who deserve empathy.

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Arsen

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This thread is about villains who, for one reason or another, had a culmination of life circumstances that if otherwise avoided they would have been upstanding citizens. Otherwise, their ways are somewhat forgivable and worthy of mercy given the truths behind their pasts.

Walter O' Dim -
Raised by an abusive father, ran away from home, raped by a stranger on the road, went into necromancy...

Yeah, that would spur someone to become evil any day. I love how in the last Dark Tower novel it showed that he truly was the same as Roland deep down.
 

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Big fucking Boss

We know that Big Boss is a major villain from previous games. However in this game we see he is as much of a good guy as Solid Snake is. Because they are genetically the same they should have turned out the same but their Scene was different resulting in Big Boss becoming a villain from Solid Snake's perspective.
 
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Saren from Mass Effect I found wasn't so bad once I figured everything out.

He was trying to save everyone. He saw in the past, anyone who fought the Reapers were wiped out, so he thought that if he allied with them, he could attemt to convince them to not wipe out organics. Sure it sounds stupid, but he was doing what he thought was best at the time. He was trying to prevent a genocide of the entire galaxy.
 

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Wallace Breen. Sure, it's easy to hate him for selling out humanity, but did he really have another choice?
 

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Sandman from Spiderman, don't really know if you can call him a villain because he just tried to get money for his daughters operation
 

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Proctorninja said:
GlaDOS she was only doing her job till she went insane
Even then, it was
you, the player character who took away her sanity watchamagig
 

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Hubilub said:
Big fucking Boss

We know that Big Boss is a major villain from previous games. However in this game we see he is as much of a good guy as Solid Snake is. Because they are genetically the same they should have turned out the same but their Scene was different resulting in Big Boss becoming a villain from Solid Snake's perspective.
I'd argue Solidus is easier to sympathise with, Big Boss is just batfuck insane by the time of Operation Intrude N313
 

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Veret said:
Wallace Breen. Sure, it's easy to hate him for selling out humanity, but did he really have another choice?
That still does not excuse his lame attempts at propaganda. And jerkassery. And cowardice.

OT: Every "villainous" cat ever. Are all writers racist toward cats or something? A heroic cat was an exception rather than the rule for centuries (thank you VERY FUCKING MUCH, witch hunters!), and still is to these days. One and only good consequence is that when a rare heroic cat or even a cat protagonist appears, it's all the sweeter. [small]Incidentially, that's why i adore Ratchet - he's not exactly a cat, but pretty close.[/small]
 
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TheGreenManalishi said:
Irridium said:
Saren from Mass Effect I found wasn't so bad once I figured everything out.

He was trying to save everyone. He saw in the past, anyone who fought the Reapers were wiped out, so he thought that if he allied with them, he could attemt to convince them to not wipe out organics. Sure it sounds stupid, but he was doing what he thought was best at the time. He was trying to prevent a genocide of the entire galaxy.
I'd argue Solidus is easier to sympathise with, Big Boss is just batfuck insane by the time of Operation Intrude N313
I think you meant to quote Hubilub ;)
 

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Jon Irenicus from Baldur's Gate 2.

A former elf (got stripped of his elven soul and was made a human), now human mage. The crime that got him exiled was a plot to gain divinity at the cost of an elven nation. Everything that comes after, is caused by Irenicus not having his soul, missing his former life, and wanting to regain it.

The only way to do this (at least as far as he is convinced) is to steal a divine soul. Hence you as the son/daughter of the dead got Bhaal get captured and experimented upon (which quite rightfully is mistaken for torture).

But the entire thing started from Irenicus's sister, Bodhi. She was the ambituos one. She was the power-hungry. She was also the cunning one and Jon Irenicus loved her dearly as a sister. What she asked for, Jon tried to get. Contrary to Jon, who was considered a mage prodigy. He was loved by the queen. He was held up as an example to other elves. He, literally, had it all.

All this spiralling down, while partly Irenicuse's fault, is mostly blamable to his sister. And the thing is, Jon might have very well accepted his punishment and tried to regain the favour of the elven gods and the queen (whom he loved as ruler and apparently as a lover as much as he loved his sister as a sibling) trough good deeds, but it was Bodhi who was supremely pissed off her plot to gain divinity via her brother was foiled and that they were made human. She was also the one to turn to the undead (making herself a vampire) to escape the curse and failed at that. The power of the curse put upon them by the Seldarine was more terrible to one who was no longer even human, making it absolutely necessary instead of merely highly convenient for Bodhi to regain a soul in quick order. Again, she manipulated her arcanely oriented brother into starting forbidden and immoral experimentation and research. And again led him down the path to hell by a noose for her own selfish desires.

Irenicus got supremely damned in the end by his actions, but he really just loved her sister who was the real, true evil intent behind it all. And in the end, when you witness him and the elven queen Ellesime talking, you see how bitter and desperate he had become. 'Irenicus' means 'Shattered One' and the name fits him well. Beautifully, beautifully executed ending to the last unexplained links in the story.

 

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Proctorninja said:
GlaDOS she was only doing her job till she went insane
I didn't really feel bad for GlaDOS because she's a robot, and was evil originally.
Aperture Science gave her a morality program or something after she flooded the enrichment center with a deadly neurotoxin, so she wouldn't flood the enrichment center with a deadly neurotoxin.
 

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Veret said:
Wallace Breen. Sure, it's easy to hate him for selling out humanity, but did he really have another choice?
try
Really? Let me put it into a more realistic perspective. A country doesn't matter which country just any country invades your country. Your country is possibly unable to hold them off so you decide to sell out your country so you live. Sounds really bad to me.
 

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SakSak said:
Jon Irenicus from Baldur's Gate 2.

A former elf (got stripped of his elven soul and was made a human),
I would say he should be thankful he was no longer an elf...but I could be a little biased. I just hate elves.
 

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Andrew Ryan. All he wanted to do was make a society where people could earn what they worked for. What a guy.
 

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Xojins said:
Proctorninja said:
GlaDOS she was only doing her job till she went insane
I didn't really feel bad for GlaDOS because she's a robot, and was evil originally.
Aperture Science gave her a morality program or something after she flooded the enrichment center with a deadly neurotoxin, so she wouldn't flood the enrichment center with a deadly neurotoxin.
Well the robot part is slightly debatable: Genetic Lifeform and Disk Operating System. But no doubt she was indeed evil and/or insane.

But I guess the blame really lands on those who created her and so it is not entirely her fault.