Ninenty nine nights...the cave troll....not sure of his name, but that story is truly a tear jerker.
Villains you feel sorry for
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Darth Malak: He wasnt a particularly deep character. In fact he seemed for the most part to be just your generic genocidal power hungry Sith Lord, who only does all he does to become even more powerful, only to die because of it sooner or later. However, after you beat him, and answer his question of if you are to blame for his fall by telling him to accept responsibility of his, Im pretty sure he delivers a line about him being "nothing". Actually I think regardless of what ending you go for, he delivers a similar line. I thought it was pretty sad, and it said to me that through it all, just by some twist of life Reven was always better than Malak. I dont know, it just made me pity him. Maybe its just the fact that, despite what idiots would have you believe, not everyone is a winner, and not everyone is born for great things or able to reach their dreams.
Are we allowing movies in too? If so then Vincent from Collateral. Hes such a stone cold killer, yet due to brilliant writing and Tom Cruise's brilliant acting you occasionally get to see these flickers of serious emotion. Like when he kills the Jazz man, an artist he clearly has respect for, and I think you can see the regret in his eyes afterwards in that he was just contracted to kill someone who in reality he just enjoyed his music. Plus I think his points about the bleak meaninglessness of human life are really spot on. "Millions of galaxies of hundreds of millions of stars and a speck on one in a blink. Thats us, lost in space. The cop, you, me... Who notices?"
Liquid Snake: Maybe he was wrong about it all, but partly due to how well the line is delivered, I couldnt help but sympathise when he says to Snake "Can you understand what its like to know you were garbage since the day you were born!?!" Again though, the fact that I feel sorry for him is probably due to how awesome he is in other scenes.
Another vote for Roy Batty. He is completely and totally innocent, created as a slave to serve in combat and despite this fact he still considers that he has "done questionable things". Infact, he is so good, it makes me question if he even is a villain. Deckard has as much right to be considered the villain of Blade Runner. Anyways, instead of letting Deckard fall to his death, which he would have been well within his rights to do since he murdered (retired) two of Roys friends, he pulls him up. Then of course he delivers that famous line, which if the music wasnt so damn good too, would have made that entire scene on its own, but luckily both work so well together to create something even more special.
Im somewhat ambivalent about Irenicus. He does such a good job of making you hate him, manipulating and using you as if you were nothing. When it comes to finally fighting him and he delivers the classic "WHAT? WHO DARES!?!" villain line, it was very satisfying to say "I dare! Your plans are ruined Irenicus! You will die here!" Still, while I cant fathom why he attempted to sap the tree of life and become a god originally, or perhaps why Bodhi convinced him, but I do feel sorry for him because of his punishment. Those typically arrogant Elves cursed him in the worst possible way and I do believe his bloody revenge was the only possible course for him to take. Its the stealing my soul to once again try his original wacked out plan. If his goal were only to slaughter the Elves of Suldanesselar, I mightve been tempted to step aside and let him given the chance. Pity you cant put that arrogant ***** Ellesime in her place, damn her!
Argh, there are so many more to choose. I definitely fall on the side of villains usually, as they almost always seem to be much more complex and realistic than the heroes.
Are we allowing movies in too? If so then Vincent from Collateral. Hes such a stone cold killer, yet due to brilliant writing and Tom Cruise's brilliant acting you occasionally get to see these flickers of serious emotion. Like when he kills the Jazz man, an artist he clearly has respect for, and I think you can see the regret in his eyes afterwards in that he was just contracted to kill someone who in reality he just enjoyed his music. Plus I think his points about the bleak meaninglessness of human life are really spot on. "Millions of galaxies of hundreds of millions of stars and a speck on one in a blink. Thats us, lost in space. The cop, you, me... Who notices?"
Liquid Snake: Maybe he was wrong about it all, but partly due to how well the line is delivered, I couldnt help but sympathise when he says to Snake "Can you understand what its like to know you were garbage since the day you were born!?!" Again though, the fact that I feel sorry for him is probably due to how awesome he is in other scenes.
I agree 100%, completely and absolutely. While I dont believe Ive ever seen any Zelda game hint at this (probably a bit too deep and real life for its absolute good and evil), when it talks about Link's "destiny" all the time, the only other logical conclusion I can conclude is that Ganondorf is also destined like a slave to repeat this role of villain over and over. How is it possible for some higher power to have Link be destined to repeatedly defeat this villain, yet the villain remain to continue pursuing this hopeless endeavour over and over of his own volition? I feel sorry for Ganondorf, because he is such a poorly written, baseless villain that the Zelda games constant desire to have him be this villain has instead made him a victim in my mind.Wargamer said:
Another vote for Roy Batty. He is completely and totally innocent, created as a slave to serve in combat and despite this fact he still considers that he has "done questionable things". Infact, he is so good, it makes me question if he even is a villain. Deckard has as much right to be considered the villain of Blade Runner. Anyways, instead of letting Deckard fall to his death, which he would have been well within his rights to do since he murdered (retired) two of Roys friends, he pulls him up. Then of course he delivers that famous line, which if the music wasnt so damn good too, would have made that entire scene on its own, but luckily both work so well together to create something even more special.
Im somewhat ambivalent about Irenicus. He does such a good job of making you hate him, manipulating and using you as if you were nothing. When it comes to finally fighting him and he delivers the classic "WHAT? WHO DARES!?!" villain line, it was very satisfying to say "I dare! Your plans are ruined Irenicus! You will die here!" Still, while I cant fathom why he attempted to sap the tree of life and become a god originally, or perhaps why Bodhi convinced him, but I do feel sorry for him because of his punishment. Those typically arrogant Elves cursed him in the worst possible way and I do believe his bloody revenge was the only possible course for him to take. Its the stealing my soul to once again try his original wacked out plan. If his goal were only to slaughter the Elves of Suldanesselar, I mightve been tempted to step aside and let him given the chance. Pity you cant put that arrogant ***** Ellesime in her place, damn her!
Argh, there are so many more to choose. I definitely fall on the side of villains usually, as they almost always seem to be much more complex and realistic than the heroes.
Kitano from Battle Royale (the film, not the manga, he was an asshole in the manga)
Just a seemingly lonely man who used to be a teacher until being stabbed by a pupil. He never seems to enjoy the deaths and is always very kind to Noriko, such as when he gave her his umbrella so that she doesn't catch a cold from the rain. You can't help feeling sorry for him when his daughter tells him not to bother coming home.
Just a seemingly lonely man who used to be a teacher until being stabbed by a pupil. He never seems to enjoy the deaths and is always very kind to Noriko, such as when he gave her his umbrella so that she doesn't catch a cold from the rain. You can't help feeling sorry for him when his daughter tells him not to bother coming home.
I will always sympathize with Sephiroth. he was never a villain, he was nothing more than a puppet which ironically he did not realize. He was considered a hero only to find out he was nothing more than an manufactured monster part of some corporate experiment. The truth of what he is compacted with the reports he read in the shinra mansion that he thought was "truth" drove him mad. He became nothing more than a pawn to shinra and then JENOVA, so his madness and anger is a product of lies and betrayal.
but it never actually showed Albrect dying, at least as far as I know. That and Albrect wasn't really a villian per se, more like victim. He had no say in anything Diablo did with his body.Moonmover said:
Also Isaac from Curse of Darkness. He was consumed by revenge and hatred.
I can sympathise with Eldrith from Dark Alliance. She only really wanted to protect her city, and she felt like she was honestly betrayed, even if she did defy direct orders.
I'm gonna say Genya from Giant Robo. He begins a quest of world conquest because of his father's dying wish.
Only it turns out, he misunderstood the wish. In his overwhelming zeal to fulfill it, he ended up not only killing thousands of people, an act which would go against the wish. But he also kills his sister, and with that his father's TRUE last request.
When it all falls apart beneath him, he realises how he's wasted the last 10 years of his life.
When it all falls apart beneath him, he realises how he's wasted the last 10 years of his life.
zombies. there just hungry and want to eat and we have to go and blow their heads off multiple times. (in deadrisnings case i felt extremly sry for the zombies and all the gruesome ways they died)
King Bohan from Heavenly Sword.
Admittedly this is a guy who has no redeeming qualities, besides brilliant scriptwriting and voice-work from Andy Serkis, but he's an example of a villain who is considerably more likeable than the protagonist simply for having a personality.
Bohan is slimy, conniving, jealous and murdered his father for the throne while still in his teens. He's almost built up as something of an anti-hero on account of he also having a mute godly figure giving him guidance and power to defeat the bearer of the sword which he himself follows loyally through both a lust for power and belief that he follows the true god. Indeed the ending of the game brings into question whether he is indeed right to seek the destruction of the sword even if his personal motivation is fuelled primarily through his want for personal safety. Bohan wants the sword but only because he sees it as a trinket he doesn't yet own, something to be forgotten and lost when he comes to possess it. While he doesn't own it, it is a concern, but when he does come to hold the sword he simply has it put aside in a museum for safe-keeping.
Despite his company, his allegiances and his pride Bohan remains infinitely more interesting and deep than Nariko, she simply fuelled by vengeance. He truly is a loveable rogue-who simply happens to be king of a large, militaristic country.
Admittedly this is a guy who has no redeeming qualities, besides brilliant scriptwriting and voice-work from Andy Serkis, but he's an example of a villain who is considerably more likeable than the protagonist simply for having a personality.
Bohan is slimy, conniving, jealous and murdered his father for the throne while still in his teens. He's almost built up as something of an anti-hero on account of he also having a mute godly figure giving him guidance and power to defeat the bearer of the sword which he himself follows loyally through both a lust for power and belief that he follows the true god. Indeed the ending of the game brings into question whether he is indeed right to seek the destruction of the sword even if his personal motivation is fuelled primarily through his want for personal safety. Bohan wants the sword but only because he sees it as a trinket he doesn't yet own, something to be forgotten and lost when he comes to possess it. While he doesn't own it, it is a concern, but when he does come to hold the sword he simply has it put aside in a museum for safe-keeping.
Despite his company, his allegiances and his pride Bohan remains infinitely more interesting and deep than Nariko, she simply fuelled by vengeance. He truly is a loveable rogue-who simply happens to be king of a large, militaristic country.
