Villains you felt sympathy for, but felt you weren't meant to?

[Lazarus Long]

Samuel/Lucifer. Seriously the guy was Gods number one guy, did what God asked and yet was a slave to Gods commands. Then God makes humanity, and gives us free will and expects Lucifer to bow down to us too. I don't think it was unreasonable that Lucifer was mad about being a slave while humanity was given free will for free.

At the risk of turning this into another kind of thread entirely, an argument could be made that it was Lucifer (if one sees the serpent in Eden as representing him) who gave humans free will via the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. I still don't get how Yahweh is supposed to come across as the good guy there.

As for me:

Spoiler

 

[Tilted_Logic]

sarrus (i think that was his name) and to a lesser extent T.I.M from mass effect, they both were just trying to do what they thought was best for the universe but were corrupted along the way

Saren, yeah. He is definitely my top pick. He hates humans, and he makes a bloody good antagonist, but he's really just a puppet. He does what he does because he truly believes it's the only way to save the current races from total annihilation. He feels that the species in the galaxy have no hope of surviving the Reapers, and by aiding Sovereign he is getting in their good graces; 'hopefully' saving those that align with him. Facing an enemy that will completely destroy you, it's better to ally with them and save as many as you can, opposed to losing everying is his thinking.

He suffered indoctrination throughout, but not enough to fully lose control. If you take the paragon route at the end, he even thanks your character - a human - a species he loathes, and more specifically an annoyance he dealt with the entire game.

With the limited information about Reaper motivation in the first game, it's easy to overlook Saren as anything but evil... But at the root of it, he's really trying to do the only thing he can in order to save galactic civilization... Even if he is being manipulated into thinking that way.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Samuel/Lucifer. Seriously the guy was Gods number one guy, did what God asked and yet was a slave to Gods commands. Then God makes humanity, and gives us free will and expects Lucifer to bow down to us too. I don't think it was unreasonable that Lucifer was mad about being a slave while humanity was given free will for free.

Spoiler: But we all know what happened to him......

Someone gets there bible information form supernatural.

Is something wrong?

Samuel/Lucifer. Seriously the guy was Gods number one guy, did what God asked and yet was a slave to Gods commands. Then God makes humanity, and gives us free will and expects Lucifer to bow down to us too. I don't think it was unreasonable that Lucifer was mad about being a slave while humanity was given free will for free.

At the risk of turning this into another kind of thread entirely, an argument could be made that it was Lucifer (if one sees the serpent in Eden as representing him) who gave humans free will via the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. I still don't get how Yahweh is supposed to come across as the good guy there.

Hmmm...perhaps. I still feel bad for the guy for just wanting to not be a slave and getting punished for it.

 

[shadyh8er]

a lot of the advesaries this guy had to fight

Haha! Indeed!

OT: I can't remember which movie/comic/video game it was where every superhero had to register with the government or something and there were two factions that formed because of it (Captain America led one of them). Anyways, they make it seem like registering is so bad, but frankly, I think we would need records of this population with extraordinary abilities. What happens if one of them commits a crime? We'll have no suspects.

 

[Vanitas likes Bubbles]

The Reapers from Mass Effect (yeah, that's right, come at me bros). They were just tools, used for their creators retarded ideals.

 

[TWRule]

Haha! Indeed!

OT: I can't remember which movie/comic/video game it was where every superhero had to register with the government or something and there were two factions that formed because of it (Captain America led one of them). Anyways, they make it seem like registering is so bad, but frankly, I think we would need records of this population with extraordinary abilities. What happens if one of them commits a crime? We'll have no suspects.

That is the Marvel Civil War series btw.

 

[Skipper zammo]

OT: I can't remember which movie/comic/video game it was where every superhero had to register with the government or something and there were two factions that formed because of it (Captain America led one of them). Anyways, they make it seem like registering is so bad, but frankly, I think we would need records of this population with extraordinary abilities. What happens if one of them commits a crime? We'll have no suspects.

Civil war is a bit of a problem because the writers couldn't seem to agree on who was supposed to be the bad guys.

Writers chose sides and ended up demonizing the opposition in their stories which led to various inconsistencies in what the laws regarding the registration act actually were and and characters often acting completely irrationally.

 

[prophecy2514]

I always felt a twinge of sympathy for Vergil in DMC3. dunno why, I just find him a likeable character, despite you know, the whole "I need more power" thing going on.

 

[Odinsson]

Don't know if they really count as villains, but

(game of thrones season 2 spoilers here, and can't do a block)

The Thirteen in Qarth in the TV show just seemed really reasonable to me, while Danaerys was a whiny little *****. I mean, let's see, show them a dragon and save your entire Khalasar, or be stubborn and die in the Fields of Bone?

In the books they seemed a lot more foreign and sinister, so you're siding with young Targaryen, but here they seem like businessmen just trying to get on with running their city, however messed up said city is.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Loki can take over my planet any time he likes.

Spoiler: (But seriously I have an amazing super wonderful blonde sister that everyone loves. I know that feel bro.)

 

[Kingjackl]

The general from Avatar. Fuck the Navi, I wanted him to win so badly.

 

[Erttheking]

The Sith are a big one for me. Since the Jedi's position is basically, "What is this thinking for yourself? Emotion? Pah!" and the Sith's seems to be, "I kind of like emotion to be honest." Plus there's the whole "bringing balance to the force" thing that suggests the Sith are just as valuable to the force as the Jedi. Not that Lucas would ever think that making a well thought out argument that makes his films much more mature part of the canon would be a good idea.

If you're still not understanding why I would like the Sith, this is the Jedi Code:
There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no chaos, there is harmony.
There is no death, there is the Force.

Whereas the Sith Code is this:
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

The Sith one is just better.

You must have missed the part where they're massmurdering lunatics? Now the jedis are pretty much as far from good guys as you can get (see knights of the old republic by Dark Horse), but that doesn't make the Sith any less evil. There are dark and grey jedi however who can be quite sympathetic.

I've heard arguments about Palpatine being sympathetic with the whole "create a safe and functional society" but he cracks a few too many eggs along the way.

And when the Sith code is explained, what it actually means pretty much boils down to "kill people, it's better for you, and them, and the rest of society. Plus it's fun! And don't forget the torture".

It doesn't help that their main idea to make themselves stronger is to constantly kill each other, to the point where they decided "you know what? Let's make it so that there's only two Sith at a time a master and a student, and eventually the student has to kill the master". I can practically hear Darwin ripping his beard off in anger.

I do have to admit that I like the Sith code though, there's potential there for a good anti-villian, but like someone else mentioned, the
Sith are practically Always Chaotic Evil and sometimes Chaotic Stupid.

OT: Darkstalker Kaathe from Dark Souls. Sure he caused the rise of the Darkwraiths which lead to the flooding of New Anor Lando, but he didn't order the city to be flooded, Gwyn did. Also Kaathe may have started the dark wraith covenant but he's trying to make me the king of the world and throw off the rule of the gods (who are responsible for a good portion of the stuff that is wrong with the screwed up world of Dark Souls, including all of the demons) while king seeker frampt is trying to get me to set myself on fire for all eternity. Hell Dark Sun Gwyndolin is more of a villain than him But I'm not sure this really counts because Kaathe is never painted as a villain...in fact no one is. It's left to the player to make up their own mind. That's why I love Dark Souls.

 

[pipsiscool]

Huh, I was just think about this today. The only thing I could come up with was maiden Astrea and Garl Vinland from demons souls. They're trying to help the depraved ones! Why do i have to kill her... sniff...

 

[Vault101]

I hardly ever fel sorry for villans...you act like a **** you get repercussions

[i/]however[/i]

in the comic Preacher you can't help but feel sorry for all the crap Herr Starr gets put through

[spoiler/] first he gets his eye put out when he was a kid, gets s scar in his head that makes it look like a penis, he gets his leg cut off and eaten, he loses an ear and finally he loses his genitals...oh and not to mentions getting raped which gives him a thing for anal...[/spoiler]

even alot of the superheos in The Boys are massive assholes you can;t help but feel sorry for in that they didnt really have a choice....

 

[darlarosa]

The Devil in the Prophecy movies, particularly in the first one. Every scene with Lucifer in it is fucking great.

Umm...Tom from Tom and Jerry. Jerry was kind of a jerk, and half the time just went after Tom to annoy him or get him in trouble. Tom is just trying to do his cat thing, chase mice, and keep mice out of his owners homes.

 

[Skipper zammo]

The Devil in the Prophecy movies, particularly in the first one. Every scene with Lucifer in it is fucking great.

Umm...Tom from Tom and Jerry. Jerry was kind of a jerk, and half the time just went after Tom to annoy him or get him in trouble. Tom is just trying to do his cat thing, chase mice, and keep mice out of his owners homes.

Oh my god yes!!

Jerry is a thief, there's no two ways about it. he comes into Mammy Two Shoe's house uninvited and steals her food.

It would even be so bad if Jerry would just stick to eating crumbs and nibbling on the ends of cheese like a normal mouse. But no that greedy little fucker has to take hams about 5 times the size of him.

 

[Marcus Kehoe]

Samuel/Lucifer. Seriously the guy was Gods number one guy, did what God asked and yet was a slave to Gods commands. Then God makes humanity, and gives us free will and expects Lucifer to bow down to us too. I don't think it was unreasonable that Lucifer was mad about being a slave while humanity was given free will for free.

Spoiler: But we all know what happened to him......

Someone gets there bible information form supernatural.

Is something wrong?

Samuel/Lucifer. Seriously the guy was Gods number one guy, did what God asked and yet was a slave to Gods commands. Then God makes humanity, and gives us free will and expects Lucifer to bow down to us too. I don't think it was unreasonable that Lucifer was mad about being a slave while humanity was given free will for free.

LuiciferSatancreation made by god, the everything else was created through jesus). Whil
At the risk of turning this into another kind of thread entirely, an argument could be made that it was Lucifer (if one sees the serpent in Eden as representing him) who gave humans free will via the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. I still don't get how Yahweh is supposed to come across as the good guy there.

Hmmm...perhaps. I still feel bad for the guy for just wanting to not be a slave and getting punished for it.

Samuel/Lucifer. Seriously the guy was Gods number one guy, did what God asked and yet was a slave to Gods commands. Then God makes humanity, and gives us free will and expects Lucifer to bow down to us too. I don't think it was unreasonable that Lucifer was mad about being a slave while humanity was given free will for free.

Spoiler: But we all know what happened to him......

Someone gets there bible information form supernatural.

Is something wrong?

I don't know really where the angel ranking system came from, but know that if there is one Jesus is number 1. Satan also had free will and by no was forced to bow down to us, all angles had to do was occasionally come down and help us, and even that didn't happen often as not. Satan not jealous of the worship god was receiving not mad at humans, he wanted them to praise him. There's a lot more to dispute what the above comment said but then I'd be passing through the lines of all the forms of Christianity and more than likely make some sects mad.

Just know that satan had a life that was so much better than our's, and he gave it up so he could steal god's worship.

Also humans had Free will that's how they where able to eat from the tree, satan just convinced them to eat from it by promising they would be more powerful if they ate it. They didn't gain free will from the apple, they gained sin from the apple which gave them the knowledge of sin ie murder hate injustice, all the horrible things that we feel came from that apple including death. Satan corrupted humanity at that point and because man disobeyed god had to let us rule ourselves to show that we could not do it, and satan was allowed free rule of this earth until judgment day.

 

[darlarosa]

The Devil in the Prophecy movies, particularly in the first one. Every scene with Lucifer in it is fucking great.

Umm...Tom from Tom and Jerry. Jerry was kind of a jerk, and half the time just went after Tom to annoy him or get him in trouble. Tom is just trying to do his cat thing, chase mice, and keep mice out of his owners homes.

Oh my god yes!!

Jerry is a thief, there's no two ways about it. he comes into Mammy Two Shoe's house uninvited and steals her food.

It would even be so bad if Jerry would just stick to eating crumbs and nibbling on the ends of cheese like a normal mouse. But no that greedy little fucker has to take hams about 5 times the size of him.

Then worst yet Jerry invites all his random friends and relatives, then takes it upon himself to ruin Tom's attempts to get laid.

Arguably, Tom does go after Jerry sometimes...but half the time Jerry's just a prick

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Samuel/Lucifer. Seriously the guy was Gods number one guy, did what God asked and yet was a slave to Gods commands. Then God makes humanity, and gives us free will and expects Lucifer to bow down to us too. I don't think it was unreasonable that Lucifer was mad about being a slave while humanity was given free will for free.

Spoiler: But we all know what happened to him......

Someone gets there bible information form supernatural.

Is something wrong?

Samuel/Lucifer. Seriously the guy was Gods number one guy, did what God asked and yet was a slave to Gods commands. Then God makes humanity, and gives us free will and expects Lucifer to bow down to us too. I don't think it was unreasonable that Lucifer was mad about being a slave while humanity was given free will for free.

LuiciferSatancreation made by god, the everything else was created through jesus). Whil
At the risk of turning this into another kind of thread entirely, an argument could be made that it was Lucifer (if one sees the serpent in Eden as representing him) who gave humans free will via the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. I still don't get how Yahweh is supposed to come across as the good guy there.

Hmmm...perhaps. I still feel bad for the guy for just wanting to not be a slave and getting punished for it.

Samuel/Lucifer. Seriously the guy was Gods number one guy, did what God asked and yet was a slave to Gods commands. Then God makes humanity, and gives us free will and expects Lucifer to bow down to us too. I don't think it was unreasonable that Lucifer was mad about being a slave while humanity was given free will for free.

Spoiler: But we all know what happened to him......

Someone gets there bible information form supernatural.

Is something wrong?

I don't know really where the angel ranking system came from, but know that if there is one Jesus is number 1. Satan also had free will and by no was forced to bow down to us, all angles had to do was occasionally come down and help us, and even that didn't happen often as not. Satan not jealous of the worship god was receiving not mad at humans, he wanted them to praise him. There's a lot more to dispute what the above comment said but then I'd be passing through the lines of all the forms of Christianity and more than likely make some sects mad.

Just know that satan had a life that was so much better than our's, and he gave it up so he could steal god's worship.

Jesus isn't an angel... He's god's son. Or god incarnate, whatever you choose to believe.

The 'angel ranking system' comes from the Hebrew bible. Seraphim for example are mentioned in the Book of Isiah.

Most angels are described as being non humanoid and quite terrifying in fact. The Ophanim are 'great wheels with eyes.'

Lucifer was indeed God's right hand guy. He's the angel of the dawn. You know 'Let there be Light'

I too have difficulty understanding why what he did was wrong. I mean from a human point of view striving for freedom is pretty much the highest virtue. I guess it's because he directly disobeyed god. We have the same problem with the first woman (and the first demon) Lilith who refused to act as subservient to Adam and was cast out and turned into a monster who spreads disease amongst children. I feel more sympathy for her than disgust frankly.

It's all from Jewish/Hebrew mythology and the Dead Sea Scrolls... :|

Lucifer refusing to bow before Adam comes from Islam.

 

[Dfskelleton]

Actually, I sympathized a bit with AM from I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream.
I know he's a sadistic, insane computer, but I'd also be pretty mad if I was given knowledge of everything only to be locked underground and exposed to none of it for what is most likely to be all eternity.
Also, when

Spoiler

AM transforms Ted into that creature, it's really ironic, because both he and Ted are in the same sitiation; locked in the center of the planet, immobile, unable to express their hatred or pain.

Also, the Authority from RAGE has my sympathy. They want to bring order to a damaged world, and everyone hates them for it. For the most part, I only heard people complain about the Authority and how "evil" they are, I never actually saw them doing anything I would qualify as evil. In fact, I didn't even see then do ANYTHING until later on in the game. Everyone was acting as if they were some sort of overarching totalitarian presence, when really, I didn't see a trace of them in any of the cities until they came looking for me.

Another funny thing about that; the Authority didn't give a rat's ass about the Ark Survivor until some idiot in a bar ordered him to bust into one of their outposts and shoot everyone inside.

EDIT: Another one that someone else mentioned; Skeletor. He's too fun of a villain to dislike.