Villains you intentionally (or unintentionally) root for.

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Alandoril

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I usually find I have more in common with the villains in movies, only the human/sentient ones though. The reason is that the villains actually have reasons for doing what they're doing, the hero is usually just doing what he does because he's following orders or to stop "evil."
 

wooty

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"Vincent" in Collateral. The poor man was just trying to do his job

Also, Sephiroth! du-du-du-du-du-du-du-duuuuu-du Sephiroth! I just agreed with the guys policy half the time, I'd be very angry if I were in his shoes too.
 

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Funkysandwich said:
Hallowed Lady said:
Mikeyfell said:
Hallowed Lady said:
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Deviltongue said:
L wasn't really the villain. He was the antagonist but Light was still the villain.
that's kind of your opinion. all through death note Light was doing the right thing. he's no worse than batman.
He killed a few people who didn't deserve it but they were trying to stop him from killing bad guys.
if you look at it objectively L and the police were the ones using the underhanded tactics to try and stop a vigilante do-gooder from killing criminals

I'd take it if you played Mass Effect You'd think Garrus was the evilest thing since sliced evil bread
Sorry. got to disagree with you there.
Light was a villain as time went on, he became very...well unjustified and egoitscal, Garrus never came across that way to me. I think what makes a hero and villain is the personality allot of the time.

OT: I support the villains who are smart and still use common sense.
Death note is probably the hardest thing to separate into a good pile and bad pile
it's all a matter of your personal philosophy
I don't think Light was ever a bad person, I think he went crazy at the end from all the pressure of trying to create his perfect crime free world.
and I think worthy goals can excuse bad choices
Yes, but Light's personlity was that of a villain, a crazy one but still a bad guy. Yes he HAD good intentions, but those can pave the road to hell and, well when you end up killing tons of people and try to say what you did was right, then that's just insane. He was never a good guy in my view, just someone given too much power who ended up thinking he was God.
Yeah. He was pretty insane by the end, but I still wanted him to win.
I didn't, but I can see why you would.
 

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Predator in every predator movie. Damn you Arnold! Damn you Danny Glover!!!!
What about Adrien Brody? But for me I REALLY want the Joker to beat Batman. I wanted Leonidas (Gerard Butler) to win in Law Abiding Citizen. I wanted naked Angelina Jolie to beat Beowulf (in Beowulf). Thats all i can think of but I know theres more. I think they should make a movie where the good guy gets his ass kicked by the bad guy.

P.S. I also rooted for Patrick Bateman in American Psycho. Also Megatron I dont think i need to explain this one.
 

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The Gladiators in American Gladiators. Sometimes, I just wanted them to put those asshole players in their place.

Tom in Tom and Jerry. That mouse is such a smug little asshole. I'll bet he carries the plague too.

Wile E. Coyote. It's just sad to watch all his plans go awry, mostly because of Murphy's Law.

The Justice Lords (the alternate-world Justice League that conquered the world and rules it with an iron fist) from the Justice League cartoons. You gotta admit, a safe and war-less world would be kind of nice, if a bit boring and more constrained.

Clayface. Batman should have just left the poor bastard alone, especially when he almost got his hands on the cure to his condition.
 

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GLaDOS From Portal, She was not that evil with such small goals but anyone who know who she is loves her. She has a great sense of humor, great voice acting, and is unforgettable.

Lex Luthor from Superman, Superman is like a god he is unkillable and is over powered as hell. But with Lex he knows Superman's weakness with out Lex Luthor Superman would be completely boring with no suspense or anything.

Bowser From Mario, I just hate Mario and Peach as characters.

Red Mist from Kick Ass, I liked him as a character and i thought at one point he was going to turn good but no.

Porky Minch from Mother 3, There is a good chance you don't know who this is but Porky is in my opinion the best villain ever. It's hard to explain but if you play mother 3 you will hate him or love how Nintendo made him.
 

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When the Russians fight the Americans in *Insert MW FPS game here*. Seriously, why does America always have to win?

Also, Nazis/German soldiers in WW2 games.
It would make sense to have America as the antagonist since companies like to show the good guy as the underdog, and lets face it, America has never been the underdog. Whether it be money or numbers of people at their disposal, USA is the human equivalent of Zerg, from the revolution to the gulf war, things have always been in their favour. Problem is the companies releasing games that take place in modern times are typically American, and Americans cant relate to anything non-American.
 

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Hallowed Lady said:
Mikeyfell said:
Hallowed Lady said:
Mikeyfell said:
Deviltongue said:
L wasn't really the villain. He was the antagonist but Light was still the villain.
that's kind of your opinion. all through death note Light was doing the right thing. he's no worse than batman.
He killed a few people who didn't deserve it but they were trying to stop him from killing bad guys.
if you look at it objectively L and the police were the ones using the underhanded tactics to try and stop a vigilante do-gooder from killing criminals

I'd take it if you played Mass Effect You'd think Garrus was the evilest thing since sliced evil bread
Sorry. got to disagree with you there.
Light was a villain as time went on, he became very...well unjustified and egoitscal, Garrus never came across that way to me. I think what makes a hero and villain is the personality allot of the time.

OT: I support the villains who are smart and still use common sense.
Death note is probably the hardest thing to separate into a good pile and bad pile
it's all a matter of your personal philosophy
I don't think Light was ever a bad person, I think he went crazy at the end from all the pressure of trying to create his perfect crime free world.
and I think worthy goals can excuse bad choices
Yes, but Light's personlity was that of a villain, a crazy one but still a bad guy. Yes he HAD good intentions, but those can pave the road to hell and, well when you end up killing tons of people and try to say what you did was right, then that's just insane. He was never a good guy in my view, just someone given too much power who ended up thinking he was God.
stop associating Light with killing PEOPLE and start associating him with the murder of CRIMINALS, because that was his intention. and he went mad with power like anyone who had that much power. he was never killing for pleasure. he was trying to make the world a safer place. in his crazy way. he went fucking nuts but he never lost sight of "a crime free world" as his ultimate goal.

what would a villain do if he could kill anyone with no consequences? he wouldn't kill other criminals in hopes of ridding the world of crime for good, he'd kill people he didn't like. maybe kill other criminals that were cutting in on his action. but he'd act selfishly. light may have wanted to be god but if you're saying "end crime" is a selfish goal, you're crazy.
 

Mikeyfell

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Agayek said:
Mikeyfell said:
so me thinking that Light killing criminals is a good thing, even if he happens to kill some innocents along the way is the same as Hitler thinking it's okay to kill Jews.

well. I can't win that argument....unless you're comparison isn't of me to Hitler but of criminals and Jews. I can pull underhanded crap too.

Mikeyfell said:
I think worthy goals can excuse bad choices
anyone with common sense will tell you that Jews are not a problem that need to be taken care of....anyone with the same amount of common sense will tell you that crime is a problem that needs to be taken care of.

are you trying to defend crime? what's going on here.
You're not getting my point, perhaps intentionally.

I was trying to convey the idea that "worthy goal" is entirely subjective. What you perceive as a worthy goal could be just as fallacious as Hitler's goal of exterminating the Jew is.

If you really want to go the Death Note route, we can point out that Light had absolutely no assurance as to the actual guilt of his victims. Were they criminals? Maybe, but he had no evidence to support the idea. Someone gets arrested for a crime and before they're even tried he kills them.

Any society that views that as an acceptable form of law is going to fail. Matter of fact, in such a society if I wished to kill you, all I'd have to do is come up with mildly convincing evidence (ie, testify that I saw you leaving the premises and maybe plant some of your hair), then let the police kill you.

You can claim it's for a worthy goal all you like, but you have to face the facts that if such a system existed it would be abused, and it would get innocent people killed.

Essentially, your whole philosophy is for the innocent to bear the weight of any mistakes in the judicial system. That is unacceptable. Humans are human. They make mistakes. As soon as that happens, everyone involved becomes an accomplice for murder.

In the end, whatever your goal is, regardless of how "just" it is, there are consequences to every decision. I am not now, nor will I ever be, in support of any philosophy that allows those consequences to affect uninvolved persons.
how many people get hurt by crime? how many people would you go wrongfully accuse UNTIL someone figured it out? with all his unintentional innocent kills he stopped crime. thus there were less potential criminals, thus (if he wasn't being hunted) he could have taken time.
and it didn't say he killed everyone accused except when he was being filmed.
there would have to be a crime you framed me for, that criminal would eventually stop or get killed
if you could get killed for any reason wouldn't you be good?
he's not going to kill every human in the world, not unless the crime didn't stop
also Light had a Triage of crime, he talked about it in one of the early episodes. anyone red handed, death row inmates, then murder and on down the line.
you've already used the Nazi argument, what's next?

is whether or not I think Light is a villain really that Important to you?
you can root for him if you like
 

Cazza

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The Joker and Light. Both smart, powerful and charismatic.
The Joker I understand the position he put himslef in made his downfall. He just wanted to see how far he had to take it for him to lose. But Light I felt how he played everything. He shouldn't have lost.