Mikeyfell said:
so me thinking that Light killing criminals is a good thing, even if he happens to kill some innocents along the way is the same as Hitler thinking it's okay to kill Jews.
well. I can't win that argument....unless you're comparison isn't of me to Hitler but of criminals and Jews. I can pull underhanded crap too.
Mikeyfell said:
I think worthy goals can excuse bad choices
anyone with common sense will tell you that Jews are not a problem that need to be taken care of....anyone with the same amount of common sense will tell you that crime is a problem that needs to be taken care of.
are you trying to defend crime? what's going on here.
You're not getting my point, perhaps intentionally.
I was trying to convey the idea that "worthy goal" is entirely subjective. What you perceive as a worthy goal could be just as fallacious as Hitler's goal of exterminating the Jew is.
If you really want to go the Death Note route, we can point out that Light had absolutely no assurance as to the actual guilt of his victims. Were they criminals? Maybe, but he had no evidence to support the idea. Someone gets arrested for a crime and before they're even tried he kills them.
Any society that views that as an acceptable form of law is going to fail. Matter of fact, in such a society if I wished to kill you, all I'd have to do is come up with mildly convincing evidence (ie, testify that I saw you leaving the premises and maybe plant some of your hair), then let the police kill you.
You can claim it's for a worthy goal all you like, but you have to face the facts that if such a system existed it
would be abused, and it would get innocent people killed.
Essentially, your whole philosophy is for the innocent to bear the weight of any mistakes in the judicial system. That is unacceptable. Humans are human. They make mistakes. As soon as that happens, everyone involved becomes an accomplice for murder.
In the end, whatever your goal is, regardless of how "just" it is, there are consequences to every decision. I am not now, nor will I ever be, in support of any philosophy that allows those consequences to affect uninvolved persons.