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Sigmund Av Volsung

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Caesar from F:NV, Senator McNanomachines and EA executives!

In all seriousness, there is one, but it's kind of a spoiler:

(KoTOR II spoilers)

Kreia: I have to agree with her methodology: both sides are wrong, and there is no point in devoting yourself fully to either one, but there is reward in manipulating the best of both sides to aid yourself and those you care about, which is pretty much the most 'sophisticated'(even though it is almost textbook Taoism) philosophy I had ever seen in Star Wars.
 

Dismal purple

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Zoltun Kulle in Diablo 3

It could have been YOU who tore down the gates of heaven if you were so inclined.

Instead Diablo happened and then Tyrael proclaimed that angels and man will stand together. Rofl, we don't even need you.

SCREW ANGELS
 

Crazy Zaul

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The most common one, Magneto is often right and the humans are just being total dicks.
 

Vegosiux

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Queen Michael said:
All of them except for Two-Face. Don't ask me why, it's just something about him.
Oh, I'm sure that it's just that the guy can't seem to agree with himself in the first place.

As for which villain did I find myself agreeing with?

Clyde Shelton. Well, apart from the entire omnicidal fit he seems to have fallen into, but in principle, I do think he was on to something.
 

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I gotta run counter to the many people who agree with magneto and say the mutant registration advocates. XD (except trask. fuck that guy.)

Your parallel to the gay rights/ civil rights movement kind of breaks down when you try to compare the relatively harmless state of being gay/a different race to having superpowers that can potentially break the universe. For a long time, characters who championed mutant registration only wanted that: to keep track of what mutants could do, because if a guy can melt brains by looking at you funny, you deserve to know about it. It's draconian, but in a unique situation like that it's a fairly measured response.

Writers eventually realized the portrayal was a bit uneven, and started making the anti-mutant side a lot more conventionally evil, wanting to deport/isolate mutants if not destroy them outright, at which point my agreeing with them ended, but for a while I could see where they were coming from.


On the video games side... hmm, he probably doesn't count as a villain, since you get negative karma for killing him, but he can stand against you in game. Mr. House from Fallout: New Vegas. no matter what you said about him, you couldn't really deny his love of new vegas and desire to see humanity recover were both genuine.
 

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Final Fantasy XIV's Gaius Van Baelsar, who makes a devastatingly accurate point about the Primals being worthless at best and destructive parasites at worst. Granted, he also gets the spoils of being a warlord, so his intentions are far from pure- but it's hard to argue that Titan is really a force for good after you've had him thoroughly punch your donut.
 

SuperFrankieLampard

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The Templars in Assassins Creed 1, Revelations and 3. I always loved how the vast majority of them could justify their actions whereas the Assassins mindlessly do whatever seemingly anyone asks of them. For me that was the biggest flaw of the other games, that they just became mustache twirling villans after wealth and power.
 

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Okay, I know few to zero other people are going to get this one, but have any of you seen an anime called C - Control (or just C, or C - The Money of Soul and Possibility Control)?

So, all of Japan is about to be erased from history due to plot. The antagonist has a plan to prevent this, however it will directly and permanently reduce the quality of life of the whole country. The hero does not want this to happen. He engages the antagonist in a battle to prevent him from preventing the destruction of Japan. Just in case you were wondering, no, he has no alternative plan. He is actively attempting to murder over a hundred million people.

Then everything works out okay because the protagonist is the protagonist and the antagonist is the antagonist.
 

King Aragorn

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SuperFrankieLampard said:
The Templars in Assassins Creed 1, Revelations and 3. I always loved how the vast majority of them could justify their actions whereas the Assassins mindlessly do whatever seemingly anyone asks of them. For me that was the biggest flaw of the other games, that they just became mustache twirling villans after wealth and power.
III and AC1 pulled it off great. Revelations just sort of half assed it and never delved deep into it, but I absolutely adored Haytham/Connor's chemistry because of that and because of what they represented.
 

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Andrew Ryan, or at least the baseline of his ideology; that people should be free to pursue their own individual interests without fear of censorship or government coercion. He does, of course, drop the ball pretty hard once he starts emulating the tyrants he was trying to escape in an effort to maintain his own political dominance, but the original sentiment was nice. He simply lacked the discipline to stay true to his ideology once things started to go against him, and that's when he became a villain.
Oh God, this so hard. Andrew Ryan is unquestionably a villain in my eyes. He's a amoral, murdering, ruthless control freak who doomed his own city (and its inhabitants) to a slow, painful death. But I find his point of view fascinating, and I can't help but agree with alot of his musings and perspectives.