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PirateKing

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I grew up watching a lot of censored anime, and now that I'm old enough to acquire the really violent stuff I enjoy watching it how it should have been.
I guess seeing limbs blown off and heads flying through the air in slow-mo is sort of poetic. Also, sometimes it's a little more dramatic if there's some realistic gore involved.
 

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sonicmaster1989 said:
I'm writing a paper for my college professor about the human being's want to watch death and destruction. What is it about watching a gladiator fight for his life that is so appealing? What about horror flicks where a girl is ripped into shreds with all the gory detail? Why do people feel entertained by watching such things? I would like you to tell me what you think it is.
Honestly? Because some instincts still haven't been bred out of us. The human, male at least, is attracted to the rush of endorphins and adrenaline that comes with witnessing/participating in violent acts. It's certainly not an addiction or anything of the sort, but some part of every human is attracted to it on an instinctual level, probably from way back in the day when violence was literally the only way to live.
 

SmilingKitsune

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St.ANG3R said:
SmilingKitsune said:
Because violance is cathartic? And some people just have issues *eyes anyone who actually enjoyedthe saw films*.
the saw films were ok but what u really want judge people for is liking the hostel films now they were messed up in every sence, i dont get sqweemish but one point hostel pt2 made me gag a lil :S...i only watched it cause my mum made me swear not to aha

but on another note, violence rules :p hehe
*shudders* The cover was enough to put me off hostel.
 

frank220

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When there is a violent scene, adrenaline rushes through our body and gives us a rush of primal excitement
 

duchaked

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I hate horror films...slasher ones are even worse
I mean I can take violence and gore seen in war, but not mindless slaughter of the defenseless
 

ShotgunShaman

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MasterStratus said:
It's because you can't spell slaughter without laughter. It's true, try it.
slotter?

anyway,

one joke that my bio teacher told me sums up what i think about violence:

two hunters are out hunting in a forest, when they see an angry bear roaring at them.
one hunter starts putting on running cleats
the other one asks "why are you putting on cleats? no matter what you're wearing you won't be able to outrun that bear..."
the first one says "Oh, I know. I just need to outrun you."
 

Valiance

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chunkydude84 said:
Valiance said:
I recommend you go listen to Vicarious by Tool.

As a matter of fact, just make the entirety of the lyrics your essay.
Because this hasn't been mentioned enough.
I hit reply when there was like 1 reply...and then alt tabbed and looked at other shit, and then came back, and then when I finally posted, there were like 20+ replies.

Oh well.
 

Therumancer

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Well, I think it comes down to excitement. I mean why do humans need to be entertained or do anything? Most animals are more or less content to exist. They have enough food, shelter, etc... and they still feel the need to do something. To some extent I think this is part of self awareness and consciousness. The inabillity to be satisfied with mere existance and the desire to fill it with something.

Truthfully I do not think that violence alone interests people, typically the violence that people are entertained by has some context to it. A fight for survival, justice, or the promotion of the values of one's culture. Most people find violence entertaining within the context of an action movie. In general people shooting each other in of itself isn't going to entertain people, there has to be some framework to justify it.

When it comes to things like Horror movies, it's usually the concepts and ideas that are involved that are the entertainment, the violence is just part of it. If I made a 90 minute movie of some guy with knives on his fingers stabbing people in a featureless white room with no dialogue, plotline, or anything but that, I doubt anyone would really want to watch the fake finger stabbing. However properly framed with a storyline, and an unusual plot about a dead man who becomes pure dreamstuff and kills people in their sleep, that basic premise became the foundation for one of the longest running, and most successful, horror movie franchises of all time.

Even when it comes to movies like "Saw" without the mystery and the ongoing storyline it wouldn't work. In the first movie the whole idea of the people waking up in the puzzle and such captured the imagination. Everything else has been variations on that theme. The death machines are a big part of it, as are the results when people fail, but if someone just made a movie about people getting killed in torture machines with nothing else to it, I don't think it would find a wide audience.

When it comes to things like an arena, personal combat is perhaps the ultimate competitive proving ground. I think there is more appeal to watching things like boxing or the UFC than a couple of guys beating on each other. This is why so much time is spent by people gathering statistics, comparing fighting styles, and performance records, and training techniques, and everything else. The spectacle is the contest.

The thing is though that back in Rome they had things like wrestling and pugilism. But in a non-lethal sport with rules there are always questions about who would have won if those rules didn't apply. Mortal combat answered those questions, either for those who volunteered, or for slaves trained and forced to fight (at which point it also became a contest between trainers).

I personally believe Sanity is defined by the state of mainstream society. When someone is "insane" they are greatly deviating from accepted standards. As such I do not think a desire for entertainment, and excitement, manifested as violence within a theme or competition is unusual. It's not "sick". Rather I'd think someone who is a complete
pacifist or does not derive satisfaction from such things is the one who is actually "insane". Of course things CAN go in the other direction as well, someone who actually kills people for no other reason than their entertainment is also insane.

I guess what I'm saying is that it's not the violence in of itself. If violence by itself was inherantly entertaining nobody would ever turn off a movie with violence in it as a bad movie. Yet it happens all the time.

Now on another level one can start talking about the base desires of humanity and how everyone has really "evil" repressed thoughts and such, but I think that goes beyond what your talking about.

Basically for your essay I'd simply point out the bit about excitement, and how violence is only seen as entertaining within a proper creative framework, which is why horror movies and such survive, but you also see plenty of movies and video games that are absolutly loaded with violence that nobody winds up liking because the framework is bad and they just blow chips. :p


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Valiance said:
I hit reply when there was like 1 reply...and then alt tabbed and looked at other shit, and then came back, and then when I finally posted, there were like 20+ replies.

Oh well.
I get the feeling you misinterpreted my post. I was backing up your statement.
 

Valiance

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chunkydude84 said:
Valiance said:
I hit reply when there was like 1 reply...and then alt tabbed and looked at other shit, and then came back, and then when I finally posted, there were like 20+ replies.

Oh well.
I get the feeling you misinterpreted my post. I was backing up your statement.
Thought it was sarcasm. ^^;
 

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So, the day has come when we finally talk about why I like violence. I will warn you that you may misinterpret this as a troll's efforts, but here I go.

I like violence because nothing can ever make you feel more alive than seeing the fear in another creature's eyes.
I was hunting once. We had a machete that was intended to clear the foliage if we couldn't get to the corpse because of it. We were pretty fucking wasteful when it came to ammunition, and damn it, bullets are expensive for us lower middle class people. So, we agreed that if we could, we would use the machete to finish off whatever was unlucky enough to be wounded, but not killed on the first shot. Three deer come by, after we've been waiting for ages, and I fire twice. I strike one in the knee and miss completely with the other shot. So, realizing what I had agreed to do, I climbed down the tree perch, and walked toward it.

I'll stop here for a moment just to describe the things that were going through my head. "I'm not going to fucking do it." "Should have went for a steadier shot..." "Just my fucking luck.."

It was rather quite, except the deer. It cried out constantly, but you could tell it was dying. You know, the most bullshit tradition in the South is the whole "You must kill to become a man". I hate it. That was probably the only reason I actually had to bring that machete down on its neck, rather then waiting for it to bleed out, with a crippled leg. The neck cracked, and that machete wasn't sharpened as much as it should have been, so I ended up bludgeoning it with a sharpish object.

I cried. I cried, and cried, and cried. You shouldn't be forced to use a machete that isn't even sharpened correctly on an animal for a first kill, instead of a gun. I walked away knowing that I was changed. The neck had been split, and blood was coming out. I stopped and looked at it. It was defeated, and I felt a remorse yet pride. I wanted to do that again. I cried during the bludgeoning, and yet I felt the fear, and terror of the animal.

Violence is "awesome" as you say, because its a rush.
 

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Violence is disgusting, and the ones who adore it probably have never truely experienced it.
 

Inverse Skies

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Violence is cathartic... I don't know the psychology behind it, but it is. If anyone could point that out for me I'd really appreciate it...
 

teknoarcanist

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We enjoy being entertained.
The majority of entertainment involves conflict.
Conflict, in its most distilled form, is violence.

The easiest way for a writer to have two characters come up against one another is to have them beat each other bloody. It might not be as cerebral as a duel of words, but it's just pure, visceral, conflict.

And done well, it can absolutely serve its place in a narrative. Pulp Fiction, or the ear-cutting scene in Reservoir Dogs, or the perpetual undercurrent of dread that comes up every time you see Heath Ledger in Dark Knight...all illustrate this perfectly.

If it's simultaneously revolting and fascinating...it achieves its purpose as fictional violence.

And watching real violence is not as entertaining, and doesn't draw as many people as you might think. I certainly don't think gladiatorial combat would be very popular today.
 

ShotgunShaman

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Again, I think many of you are stuck to the idea of it being entertaining It seems to make much more sense that it's more of an instinctive survival tool based on the idea that if person B dies, whatever killed them will be distracted and not kill person A. Thus we get a sense of safety from violence.
 

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sonicmaster1989 said:
I'm writing a paper for my college professor about the human being's want to watch death and destruction. What is it about watching a gladiator fight for his life that is so appealing? What about horror flicks where a girl is ripped into shreds with all the gory detail? Why do people feel entertained by watching such things? I would like you to tell me what you think it is.
If someone has already said this, my bad but Im just too damn lazy to read 2 pages right now.

Look up the song Vicarious by Tool and that's the exact reason why humans watch death and find death so appealing. Not to mention it's a kick ass song.
 

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Some people are sick. I prefer the more elegant approach. Any chance I get, I solve issues with words. Although sometimes you just gotta pull your nunchucks out of your sock and go crazy...
 

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Nia-san said:
I find it interesting because it gives me a burst of adrenaline. It hypes me up (I have no idea if that is even correct grammar) and I almost feel like I'm the gladiator fighting for his life. I guess it draws me in and I almost feel immersed in the world the actors, directors, and writers are showing.
It's always appealing for a human to leave behind their own life and live in the shoes of someone else... Especially a hero who's battles invoke adrenaline rushes, and often through some perseverance and struggle, end in victory.