Violent games lead to more violence?

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Haukur Isleifsson

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Meta-analysis of the literature (2001 and earlier) indicates that their is a small but insignificant positive connection that doesn't necessarily imply a causal relationship. I am sure there have been more recent meta-analyses but I expect they haven't change the picture in any real way.
 

Haukur Isleifsson

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It also think that their are a lot of researchers on both "sides" of this argument that do a lot of research on the subject and always seem to get the same result. Which to a cynic might look like an agenda driven researcher.
 

Brotha Desmond

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Father Time said:
Brotha Desmond said:
Violent people are attracted to violent games.
I think most people enjoy violence in their fiction. Maybe not blood and gore but definitely good battling evil and maybe evil getting killed. That or a conflict that needs to be resolved through violence.
Regardless of the nature of the violence, it's still violence.
 

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Verlander said:
The point of Need for Speed isn't to cause crashes, it's to race.
Err...the best-selling Need for Speed games are the ones where the main objective is to either street race, evade/ram the police, or both. NFS is ALL about breaking the law and driving recklessly.

And yet, the time where a street racer was found with NFS in the car, other than a couple of sensationalist media assholes, everyone understood that it wasn't the game that's at fault here, much like it isn't violent video games that cause people to be violent in your average sane person.

Edit: Appears I was slightly incorrect. The copy of NFS was seized as evidence in the case I'm talking about.

http://www.thefreeradical.ca/copycatCrimes/articlesOnNeedForSpeedDeath.html
 

ZippyDSMlee

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The only fiction that creates violence is religion.

Obvious joke aside what dose fiction do? It stirs emotion. When I was a kid after watching cartoons I'd go outside and play "fight the imaginary bad guys". What are parents told these days?

Keep kids inside.
They can do/be anything.
Discipline is bad.
Kids can do no wrong.
Zero(thought) tolerance for anything at shcool.

It kinda leads to issues where kids and people in general have all this mental energy and have no release for it because they are not really taught perfectly legit and normal ways to vent it without hurting someone.....badly..... LOL.
 

Voulan

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Killing things in games means nothing to me, because the things I'm killing are not real, other than being a digital model. There's a world of difference from using a controller shoulder button to shoot someone, than me having to acquire a real-life gun, load it, and physically aim and shoot at someone.

Violence in games is fake, and we as gamers are fully aware of that. Violence in real life is as equally distressing as for any other non-gamer, because it is distinctly real and uncontrollable. Perhaps that is why we enjoy violence in games - because it's a highly thrilling atmosphere that is easily contained, and never goes out of any control we have over it. Real violence is unpredictable, not bound by gaming codes, and so too is our ability to combat it, since in real life taking someone down is not as simple as pressing X.

Anyway, considering the fact that I haven't shot anyone recently, nor do I intend to do so, it is probably a safe bet that I'm not going to any more than if I never had a controller in my hand.
 

Terramax

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Of course video games lead to violence! The Daily Mail told me so. And if you can't trust the Daily Mail, who can you trust?

In all seriousness though, I don't think anyone can deny that video games have, to a certain degree, had an effect on people being violent in the past. But that quote from Scream says it best:'Movies don't create psychos. Movies make psychos more creative!'
These people are probably vulnerable to being of that nature anyway. If a video game doesn't influence them, some other source, whether alcohol, religion, newspapers, drugs, books, politics, etc, will instead.
 

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No. How many times do we have to say it? Violent media gives people who are allready crazy guidance for their violence, and it can desenetize, but no-one is gonna be going on a killing spree just because of something they did in a game.
 

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While it's all very nice to laugh at people who draw comparison between videogames and violence, I think there is a serious discussion to be had here.

I'm not going to claim that GTA causes people to go on violent killing sprees, but I do think the common tropes of videogames are worrying.

What are the most popular videogames? "Realistic" modern military shooters. I think there could well be a link between the extreme glorification of the military and Western militarism that is found in games, and the associated glorification found in society. Videogames probably don't cause it, but I think they reflect it and possibly propogate it.
 

Pebkio

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The sale of violent video games leads to the making and selling of more violent video games. It's a vicious cycle.
 

DrunkOnEstus

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I'd have to say that simply using the Internet and trying (in vain) to see all of it has desensitized me and caused more aggression than all the video games that I've played combined.
 

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4RM3D said:
Some studies say people who play violent games become more violent themselves.
Few actually do. They say things like "violent people like video games" or similar, which gets turned into "video games cause violence" by sensationalism. The overwhelming body of evidence is that while violent people may like violent video games, there is no evidence to link it as a cause of the violent tendencies.

Speaking of no evidence:

Brotha Desmond said:
Violent people are attracted to violent games. If people don't get an outlet in games they will look for it in other places.
There's none to support that, either.

Combine Rustler said:
So by that logic, non-violent people would be repelled by violent games and wouldn't play them?
It doesn't work that way. Just because one group is specifically attracted doesn't mean another will be repelled.

Verlander said:
The point of a Gran Turismo isn't to cause crashes, it's to race.

The point of Grand Theft Auto is to be a criminal, and there are options to rape, murder, and steal.

The point of Need for Speed isn't to cause crashes, it's to race.

The point of Mortal Kombat is to fight, and there are options to graphically kill your opponent.

The point of Mario Kart isn't to cause cra... well, it is, but in a funny way. Like how the people who oppose Call of Duty don't necessarily have an aversion to cream pie fights.

That's the difference.
If their was an increase in racing, there would very likely be a significant increase in crashes. Especially if people are influenced by the video game world, as most cars won't handle like that. Regardless of the intent. However, Need For Speed has gang violence, destruction, and many of the games revolve around doing a lot of damage and breaking the law in street races.

Innegativeion said:
I remember somewhere reading that after the worldwide drop in violence-related deaths that occurred as a result of WW II, the rate continued to drop every year to the modern day, that rate remaining completely uncorrelated to the invention of videogames.
I'm not sure abotu worldwide drops, but the US has experienced large drops since the 70s and 80s. People even sometimes try to correlate it with video games being a positive influence, but it's more about drugs. Still, the notion of a link between video games and the rise in violent crimes falls flat because of the lack of a notable rise in violent crime in the first place.

And we're one of the most violent nations in the industrial world, so....

I mean, I guess some murderers are found out later to have enjoyed media that involves violence. NO FRIKKEN WAI GUYS!

It's like how some people were APPALLED that that one shooter was trying to emulate the joker... means batman causes death, right? obviously.
Hitler wore pants. PANTS CAUSE GENOCIDE!!!!!

>.>
 

HalfTangible

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Moviebob says it better than I ever could, so I'll just leave this here:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/6101-On-The-Subject-Of-Violence

Zachary Amaranth said:
Hitler wore pants. PANTS CAUSE GENOCIDE!!!!!

>.>
No, OBVIOUSLY becoming a politician causes genocide and a second world w- wait, that one actually works...

Er, being rejected from Art School causes genocide and a world war!!
 

Brotha Desmond

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Zachary Amaranth said:
4RM3D said:
Some studies say people who play violent games become more violent themselves.
Few actually do. They say things like "violent people like video games" or similar, which gets turned into "video games cause violence" by sensationalism. The overwhelming body of evidence is that while violent people may like violent video games, there is no evidence to link it as a cause of the violent tendencies.

Speaking of no evidence:

Brotha Desmond said:
Violent people are attracted to violent games. If people don't get an outlet in games they will look for it in other places.
There's none to support that, either.

Combine Rustler said:
So by that logic, non-violent people would be repelled by violent games and wouldn't play them?
Missed my point entirely.
It doesn't work that way. Just because one group is specifically attracted doesn't mean another will be repelled.

Verlander said:
The point of a Gran Turismo isn't to cause crashes, it's to race.

The point of Grand Theft Auto is to be a criminal, and there are options to rape, murder, and steal.

The point of Need for Speed isn't to cause crashes, it's to race.

The point of Mortal Kombat is to fight, and there are options to graphically kill your opponent.

The point of Mario Kart isn't to cause cra... well, it is, but in a funny way. Like how the people who oppose Call of Duty don't necessarily have an aversion to cream pie fights.

That's the difference.
If their was an increase in racing, there would very likely be a significant increase in crashes. Especially if people are influenced by the video game world, as most cars won't handle like that. Regardless of the intent. However, Need For Speed has gang violence, destruction, and many of the games revolve around doing a lot of damage and breaking the law in street races.

Innegativeion said:
I remember somewhere reading that after the worldwide drop in violence-related deaths that occurred as a result of WW II, the rate continued to drop every year to the modern day, that rate remaining completely uncorrelated to the invention of videogames.
I'm not sure abotu worldwide drops, but the US has experienced large drops since the 70s and 80s. People even sometimes try to correlate it with video games being a positive influence, but it's more about drugs. Still, the notion of a link between video games and the rise in violent crimes falls flat because of the lack of a notable rise in violent crime in the first place.

And we're one of the most violent nations in the industrial world, so....

I mean, I guess some murderers are found out later to have enjoyed media that involves violence. NO FRIKKEN WAI GUYS!

It's like how some people were APPALLED that that one shooter was trying to emulate the joker... means batman causes death, right? obviously.
Hitler wore pants. PANTS CAUSE GENOCIDE!!!!!

>.>
 
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HalfTangible said:
Moviebob says it better than I ever could, so I'll just leave this here:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/6101-On-The-Subject-Of-Violence

Zachary Amaranth said:
Hitler wore pants. PANTS CAUSE GENOCIDE!!!!!

>.>
No, OBVIOUSLY becoming a politician causes genocide and a second world w- wait, that one actually works...

Er, being rejected from Art School causes genocide and a world war!!
Should we ban Austrians holding foreign positions of power too?
 

HalfTangible

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Glademaster said:
HalfTangible said:
Moviebob says it better than I ever could, so I'll just leave this here:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/6101-On-The-Subject-Of-Violence

Zachary Amaranth said:
Hitler wore pants. PANTS CAUSE GENOCIDE!!!!!

>.>
No, OBVIOUSLY becoming a politician causes genocide and a second world w- wait, that one actually works...

Er, being rejected from Art School causes genocide and a world war!!
Should we ban Austrians holding foreign positions of power too?
...

That.

Is.

BRILLIANT!! DAMN We're smart people! =D